UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Nakena]

I would support Javid. But we all know that Boris is going to make it. Or wont he?

[Liriena]

*shrug*
The other group of idpol doesn't treat well over 50% of the country like trash in order to give a fringe minority of religious zealots and pseudoreligious gender ideologues their safe spaces. The difference between the police arresting criminals, and the police deciding to put the entire rest of the country into protective custody. One is clearly better.

Yes rightwing idpol sure is fun

*looks at my homes history*

Yup.

But you don't understand! Yes, they've turned out to be huge abusive cunts every other time, but I can change them!

[Liriena]

I would support Javid. But we all know that Boris is going to make it. Or wont he?

When people like Boris are involved, I refuse to make forecasts.

[Souseiseki]

Jeremy Hunt indicates he would grant section 30 order for second independence referendum if he is Prime Minister

i actually just let out a big "naniiiiiiiiiiii" irl

[Ifreann]

Jeremy Hunt indicates he would grant section 30 order for second independence referendum if he is Prime Minister

i actually just let out a big "naniiiiiiiiiiii" irl

[Vassenor]

One group of idpol wanes, another group of idpol rises.

*shrug*
The other group of idpol doesn't treat well over 50% of the country like trash in order to give a fringe minority of religious zealots and pseudoreligious gender ideologues their safe spaces. The difference between the police arresting criminals, and the police deciding to put the entire rest of the country into protective custody. One is clearly better.

>safe spaces

[Ostroeuropa]

Not having open borders is xenophobia. You think we're inferior just because we were born on the other side of your line of sand? You bomb our homes and poison our water, steal our land and bully us around through endless wars of imperialism, and then you spit in our eye, building barricades against refugee boats as you kill millions, not facing the consequences for it? All humanitarianism and anti-discrimination aside, we deserve to enter your country. Perhaps all you xenophobes should be put on a boat to Syria and then made to travel back here. Perhaps, you'll actually have some respect when you get back here.

There is indeed alive a feeling of inferiority that the once conquered feel and motivates a spite when they think of the people that conquered them. It is a natural want to have a community of people like you, or, indeed, to feel the bonds of kin: only someone as lacking in everything, save alienation, can say such things. I would happily die for these higher feelings, you lack the courage to do the same.

I suppose, for a foreigner to have this attitude is unsurprising and leads me to wonder if all of you are no better than trojan horses for communism—which you seem to support because it benefits you, rather than any real belief in principal, honour or self-sacrifice; the sociopathic infection of our time—so I ask: why I should trust you or, indeed, any other foreigner to make decisions in the interest of the state—which needs self-sacrifice for the greater interest—if you even some of you hold this opinion?

Such a statement will surely please the people who hear it, like those who are supposedly your 'class allies'. You must be puzzled why your sort faces an ever growing hatred, might I suggest telling your neighbours?

How can you be British or Welsh, even if think yourself such, if you admit such a hatred for the very thing that makes us us? Just as you can admit your honesty in your hatred of Britain, I too can, in turn, scorn for those who have no love for our country.

Your only reason is a greed for the that of those that have more, and to that I feel offer no sympathy.

The claim to identify as Welsh/British suggests either duplicity or an understanding these are distinct identities and cultures with their own trends and traits, and nonetheless not understanding why borders help maintain these identities and why that is a positive thing.

It's no longer Wales if you radically change the composition of the people there by flooding it with people with different customs.

It's.

Y'know.

England.

So I find it strange for an immigrant to identify as Welsh, and not understand that this implies assimilation to local culture and customs as well as a certain cultural discourse and outlook. Else you're just living in Wales, not welsh.

Like...
Loads and loads of English folk understand this, and don't call themselves Welsh despite having lived here decades.

It's a bit presumptuous to call yourself Welsh if you're just living here and that's it.

So presumably they're also acting welsh. Because if they're seriously going to argue that welsh culture is some amorphous multicultural shite, they're full of it, because that means including hundreds of thousands of English people as part of "Welsh Culture", when literally nobody thinks that is the case and we all understand they're just living here.

If you're acting like a third world muslim in wales, you're not welsh. You're a third world muslim and you're just living here. Those are the facts.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Not having open borders is xenophobia. You think we're inferior just because we were born on the other side of your line of sand? You bomb our homes and poison our water, steal our land and bully us around through endless wars of imperialism, and then you spit in our eye, building barricades against refugee boats as you kill millions, not facing the consequences for it? All humanitarianism and anti-discrimination aside, we deserve to enter your country. Perhaps all you xenophobes should be put on a boat to Syria and then made to travel back here. Perhaps, you'll actually have some respect when you get back here.

There is indeed alive a feeling of inferiority that the once conquered feel and motivates a spite when they think of the people that conquered them. It is a natural want to have a community of people like you, or, indeed, to feel the bonds of kin: only someone as lacking in everything, save alienation, can say such things. I would happily die for these higher feelings, you lack the courage to do the same.

I suppose, for a foreigner to have this attitude is unsurprising and leads me to wonder if all of you are no better than trojan horses for communism—which you seem to support because it benefits you, rather than any real belief in principal, honour or self-sacrifice; the sociopathic infection of our time—so I ask: why I should trust you or, indeed, any other foreigner to make decisions in the interest of the state—which needs self-sacrifice for the greater interest—if you even some of you hold this opinion?

Such a statement will surely please the people who hear it, like those who are supposedly your 'class allies'. You must be puzzled why your sort faces an ever growing hatred, might I suggest telling your neighbours?

How can you be British or Welsh, even if think yourself such, if you admit such a hatred for the very thing that makes us us? Just as you can admit your honesty in your hatred of Britain, I too can, in turn, scorn for those who have no love for our country.

Your only reason is a greed for the that of those that have more, and to that I feel offer no sympathy.

When the wolves of capitalism come for you, you'll understand. When all the fuel's been extracted, they'll come for their own. Once the world begins to end, their gentle hand shall choke you and draw from your blood.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

There is indeed alive a feeling of inferiority that the once conquered feel and motivates a spite when they think of the people that conquered them. It is a natural want to have a community of people like you, or, indeed, to feel the bonds of kin: only someone as lacking in everything, save alienation, can say such things. I would happily die for these higher feelings, you lack the courage to do the same.

I suppose, for a foreigner to have this attitude is unsurprising and leads me to wonder if all of you are no better than trojan horses for communism—which you seem to support because it benefits you, rather than any real belief in principal, honour or self-sacrifice; the sociopathic infection of our time—so I ask: why I should trust you or, indeed, any other foreigner to make decisions in the interest of the state—which needs self-sacrifice for the greater interest—if you even some of you hold this opinion?

Such a statement will surely please the people who hear it, like those who are supposedly your 'class allies'. You must be puzzled why your sort faces an ever growing hatred, might I suggest telling your neighbours?

How can you be British or Welsh, even if think yourself such, if you admit such a hatred for the very thing that makes us us? Just as you can admit your honesty in your hatred of Britain, I too can, in turn, scorn for those who have no love for our country.

Your only reason is a greed for the that of those that have more, and to that I feel offer no sympathy.

The claim to identify as Welsh/British suggests either duplicity or an understanding these are distinct identities and cultures with their own trends and traits, and nonetheless not understanding why borders help maintain these identities and why that is a positive thing.

It's no longer Wales if you radically change the composition of the people there by flooding it with people with different customs.

It's.

Y'know.

England.

Tbh, I don't know why you're worried about us changing your customs. It's the English that are doing all the havoc.

[Ostroeuropa]

The claim to identify as Welsh/British suggests either duplicity or an understanding these are distinct identities and cultures with their own trends and traits, and nonetheless not understanding why borders help maintain these identities and why that is a positive thing.

It's no longer Wales if you radically change the composition of the people there by flooding it with people with different customs.

It's.

Y'know.

England.

Tbh, I don't know why you're worried about us changing your customs. It's the English that are doing all the havoc.

The English don't claim to be Welsh even when they live here for decades, and understand the distinct and separate nature of Welsh culture and customs. They can become welsh by adopting those customs, but they aren't arrogant enough to say acting English is part of some amorphous ill defined blob of "Welsh culture" and saying otherwise is racist against the English.

Perhaps you act like a local, in which case you're more than welcome to consider yourself one. But that means admitting there is a distinct thing and there's a reason to give it primacy in this area because it is native to it.

Why not whine about learning ancient Urdu in welsh schools?
Why try and revive welsh?

Hmmmmm.
Sounds racist. Sounds like we're admitting this is a welsh nation, with welsh culture being important to it and its identity.

Why not teach Polish and polish mythology? Are we racist against poles? They're part of our "Multicultural society" and we should be "Inclusive" of them and their culture/traditions, right, so why shouldn't we?

Is it because this isn't fucking Poland?

Nations are a thing, and should be a thing. The borderless stuff is the communist equivalent of capitalist destruction of culture and identity.


If you aren't even willing to learn 'My hen laid a haddock on top of a tree' and think that we need some traditional songs from all of the multitudes of peoples here to be considered equally valid to display welshness, then you're basically anti-welsh imo, because you're destroying the space for it to be practiced and focused on.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... m-10242086

Borders help define these cultural boundaries and maintain them.

[Mostrov]

When the wolves of capitalism come for you, you'll understand. When all the fuel's been extracted, they'll come for their own. Once the world begins to end, their gentle hand shall choke you and draw from your blood.

οὕτω τὸν ᾰ̓ρχῆς θυμὸν ὁρμαίνει πεσών:
κἀκφυσιῶν ὀξεῖαν αἵματος σφαγὴν
βάλλει μ᾽ ἐρεμνῇ ψακάδι φοινίας δρόσου,
χαίρουσαν οὐδὲν ἧσσον ἢ διοσδότῳ
γάνει σπορητὸς κάλυκος ἐν λοχεύμασιν.

[The Nihilistic view]

Polling indicates he'd get 394 seats. He'll win the general I think.

Polls aren't always right, though. Exit polls in 2015 predicted a hung parliament and -- to the surprise of many -- the Conservatives got a unexpected 6.6% majority. In 1992, Labour were expected a win and John Major's Conservative government won a 7.6% majority.

(Source)

The way people say they'd vote doesn't always reflect how they vote when they get into the booth (people can change their mind, or not end up voting at all, or lie), and polls only collect a small sample size.

So, I still hold out hope that it won't happen.

I quite agree, so he'll win 494 seats.

[Little Tin Hat]

As far as Farage's party is concerned - I should imagine it'll win by-elections but when it comes to a general election would probably win 20/30 seats( if that) but in the process see the Liberals increase their representation. With the Brexit party taking votes off both the Conservatives and Labour the hurdle they have too overcome would be that much smaller- that being said I can't see too many of those that were temporarily in Change UK retaining their seat. Hopefully that would mean Chukka going down the pan.

[Ifreann]

As far as Farage's party is concerned - I should imagine it'll win by-elections but when it comes to a general election would probably win 20/30 seats( if that) but in the process see the Liberals increase their representation. With the Brexit party taking votes off both the Conservatives and Labour the hurdle they have too overcome would be that much smaller- that being said I can't see too many of those that were temporarily in Change UK retaining their seat. Hopefully that would mean Chukka going down the pan.

Are there any elections expected between now and October?

[Ostroeuropa]

I was gonna make the meme, but fuck it you've all seen it.

The "No daddy no" meme where he bursts through the door?

The C4 debate, where Rory Stewart turns to Raab and just bellows out at him "What is the tariff rate for cheddar under your Brexit plan?!" and Raab just crumbles and starts screaming No Rory No about how he's got the best deal and it's going to be better than the others and that's what matters. Legit, that was his response to that question. It was fucking pathetic.

Legit, his eyes widened and he looked like a frightened child.

It's the most hysterical debate I've ever seen. Like they're all just saying vague buzzword shit and Rory keeps demanding to know actual things about their policies and pointing out they're full of shit and not actually saying anything concrete. He brought up how it's a 550 page trade agreement and it's complex and intricate and requires actual knowledge of it to get anything done like a dozen times.

He even called out their machismo ubermensch shit about how they're supposedly the hardest bloke in Britain and totally capable of getting a better deal by virtue of their sheer force of personality and how that's not a basis for government policy.

[Philjia]

I was gonna make the meme, but fuck it you've all seen it.

The "No daddy no" meme where he bursts through the door?

The C4 debate, where Rory Stewart turns to Raab and just bellows out at him "What is the tariff rate for cheddar under your Brexit plan?!" and Raab just crumbles and starts screaming No Rory No about how he's got the best deal and it's going to be better than the others and that's what matters.

Legit, his eyes widened and he looked like a frightened child.

It's the most hysterical debate I've ever seen. Like they're all just saying vague buzzword shit and Rory keeps demanding to know actual things about their policies and pointing out they're full of shit and not actually saying anything concrete. He brought up how it's a 550 page trade agreement and it's complex and intricate and requires actual knowledge of it to get anything done like a dozen times.

He even called out their machismo ubermensch shit about how they're supposedly the hardest bloke in Britain and totally capable of getting a better deal by virtue of their sheer force of personality and how that's not a basis for government policy.

UNSETTLING minister DESTROYS opponents with CHEESE

[Hydesland]

Had to miss the debate, anywhere I can see highlights?

[Ostroeuropa]

I was gonna make the meme, but fuck it you've all seen it.

The "No daddy no" meme where he bursts through the door?

The C4 debate, where Rory Stewart turns to Raab and just bellows out at him "What is the tariff rate for cheddar under your Brexit plan?!" and Raab just crumbles and starts screaming No Rory No about how he's got the best deal and it's going to be better than the others and that's what matters.

Legit, his eyes widened and he looked like a frightened child.

It's the most hysterical debate I've ever seen. Like they're all just saying vague buzzword shit and Rory keeps demanding to know actual things about their policies and pointing out they're full of shit and not actually saying anything concrete. He brought up how it's a 550 page trade agreement and it's complex and intricate and requires actual knowledge of it to get anything done like a dozen times.

He even called out their machismo ubermensch shit about how they're supposedly the hardest bloke in Britain and totally capable of getting a better deal by virtue of their sheer force of personality and how that's not a basis for government policy.

UNSETTLING minister DESTROYS opponents with CHEESE

I'm gutted he didn't press the matter and ask more questions about it. He just kept asking specific policy questions of them and made it obvious none of them knew fucking anything about anything, but he really could have hammered it home by asking if they even knew what Tariff rates under the WTO were and so on.

Instead it was like he'd ask a question, they wouldn't answer, and then he'd ask another question on something else.

Like;
"What is the tariff rate for cheddar under your Brexit plan?"
"I've got the best plan."
"You haven't said anything meaningful."

"Do you have any plans for bailouts to businesses that suffer in the event of a no deal Brexit?"
"Brexit means Brexit."
"That doesn't mean anything."

"What are you going to do about the Irish border, you've rejected a hard border and rejected a free travel area."
"We'll resolve the northern irish border issue."
"But how?"

just that over and over again.

[Ifreann]

I'm amused that they've bothered having a televised debate, as if it matters what the general public thinks. BoJo's clearly ahead of the curve on this one.

[Ostroeuropa]

Had to miss the debate, anywhere I can see highlights?

"There's nothing more important than stopping Jeremy Corbyn"
Environmental Secretary Michael Gove

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/com ... /?sort=top

Highlights.

Can't wait for Raab to finally leap over the podium and deck Stewart

Pretty much lol

Pissing myself at Rory grinning in the corner of every shot while the others try to look like The Most Serious Man in the Room.

Worth watching it if you want to see the other candidates get their shitt pushed in tbh.

[Stiltball]

UNSETTLING minister DESTROYS opponents with CHEESE

several of them will be toast on Tuesday - with or without cheese.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

When the wolves of capitalism come for you, you'll understand. When all the fuel's been extracted, they'll come for their own. Once the world begins to end, their gentle hand shall choke you and draw from your blood.

οὕτω τὸν ᾰ̓ρχῆς θυμὸν ὁρμαίνει πεσών:
κἀκφυσιῶν ὀξεῖαν αἵματος σφαγὴν
βάλλει μ᾽ ἐρεμνῇ ψακάδι φοινίας δρόσου,
χαίρουσαν οὐδὲν ἧσσον ἢ διοσδότῳ
γάνει σπορητὸς κάλυκος ἐν λοχεύμασιν.

English translation pls

[Ostroeuropa]

Rory stewart also did finger guns at one point when he wrecked one of them. He got the most claps and laughs.

Everyone was trying to calm Raab down as he got progressively angrier and angrier at getting shown up.

He went mental at one point after he was criticized for wanting to shut down parliament to force Brexit through, rounded on stewart and said his citizens assembly idea is socialism and will turn us into Venezuela, compared him to Maduro, and so on.

Rory kept taking notes whenever the others were talking then calling them out on shit, and eventually Raab started furiously scribbling whenever Rory talked but it never came to anything.

Gove kept looking directly into the Camera and doing the thumb point thing. He claimed he won the Brexit campaign and people were like Nah mate that was Farage.

Gove tried cold-reading an audience member who talked about how Gove fucked up her son who has autisms life with his bullshit, and he went IM SENSING U KNOW SOMEONE WITH AUTISM, SOMEONE CLOSE TO U. And then said he worked a lot on disability policies and that he was proud he stuck to his convictions on them, totally dodging her point.

It was infuriating to watch, but Rory makes it watchable.

Comment;

Lmao, are the Tories so far gone that they’re yelling “muh Venezuela” at other conservatives?

[Nothumbria]

Nationalism must reign.

[Vassenor]

Nationalism must reign.

Why?