UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

No no no no no.

China has a regional force projection navy. And it's hella bigger than ours. It has more frigates alone than we have large surface or submerged vessels combined.

Maybe if you got them addicted to opium first.

Ahh, so like Rory Stewart?

[Salandriagado]

Rory Stewart committed to reintroduce national service 7 days ago and Idk if anyone noticed.

He explicitly ruled out the military, but wants national projects. Part of the plan is specifically that they would not necessarily be local projects, but there would be an active effort to make young people travel the country and meet eachother while on service and doing some kind of bollocks. So the government will be like, "Right, you, fuck off to Scotland for a week and plant trees. Go on, fuck off. We'll be there to get you In a week to bus you down to Kent after that, then a couple of days later it'll be Cardiff, then back here."

It's proposed two to four weeks during the summer holidays when they turn 16.
Compulsory.

The same announcement he said he wants to plant 120 million trees.
If every person turning 16 every year plants 12 trees, we'll hit 120 million trees on that alone.

More to the point, that's a massive underestimate: people who are good at the job can plant thousands of trees per day, each, and I've hit 10 per person per (very short) day with ten year olds, so it's not unreasonable to expect, say, a thousand trees out of each, over the period, if you want to commit to it properly.

He's also managed to produce the only national service proposal I've ever seen that isn't fucking stupid on its face, so that's nice. Shame he isn't going to win.

[Fartsniffage]

Rory Stewart committed to reintroduce national service 7 days ago and Idk if anyone noticed.

He explicitly ruled out the military, but wants national projects. Part of the plan is specifically that they would not necessarily be local projects, but there would be an active effort to make young people travel the country and meet eachother while on service and doing some kind of bollocks. So the government will be like, "Right, you, fuck off to Scotland for a week and plant trees. Go on, fuck off. We'll be there to get you In a week to bus you down to Kent after that, then a couple of days later it'll be Cardiff, then back here."

It's proposed two to four weeks during the summer holidays when they turn 16.
Compulsory.

The same announcement he said he wants to plant 120 million trees.
If every person turning 16 every year plants 12 trees, we'll hit 120 million trees on that alone.

More to the point, that's a massive underestimate: people who are good at the job can plant thousands of trees per day, each, and I've hit 10 per person per (very short) day with ten year olds, so it's not unreasonable to expect, say, a thousand trees out of each, over the period, if you want to commit to it properly.

He's also managed to produce the only national service proposal I've ever seen that isn't fucking stupid on its face, so that's nice. Shame he isn't going to win.

He's essentially proposed a mandatory section of the Duke of Edinburgh Gold award to all 16 year olds. I'm pretty down with it. I spent mine on a Scout camp gardening and rebuilding some of the infrastructure. It was a really positive experience.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

More to the point, that's a massive underestimate: people who are good at the job can plant thousands of trees per day, each, and I've hit 10 per person per (very short) day with ten year olds, so it's not unreasonable to expect, say, a thousand trees out of each, over the period, if you want to commit to it properly.

He's also managed to produce the only national service proposal I've ever seen that isn't fucking stupid on its face, so that's nice. Shame he isn't going to win.

2019: Rory Stewart becomes PM
2025: Great Britain renamed Fangorn Island as last human is pushed into the sea by the ever-expanding forest

[Galloism]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

More to the point, that's a massive underestimate: people who are good at the job can plant thousands of trees per day, each, and I've hit 10 per person per (very short) day with ten year olds, so it's not unreasonable to expect, say, a thousand trees out of each, over the period, if you want to commit to it properly.

He's also managed to produce the only national service proposal I've ever seen that isn't fucking stupid on its face, so that's nice. Shame he isn't going to win.

2019: Rory Stewart becomes PM
2025: Great Britain renamed Fangorn Island as last human is pushed into the sea by the ever-expanding forest

Rory did nothing wrong!

[The Nihilistic view]

It's a load of bollocks. If I was slightly less drunk I could give you reasons but the gist is basically national service is bollocks.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

More to the point, that's a massive underestimate: people who are good at the job can plant thousands of trees per day, each, and I've hit 10 per person per (very short) day with ten year olds, so it's not unreasonable to expect, say, a thousand trees out of each, over the period, if you want to commit to it properly.

He's also managed to produce the only national service proposal I've ever seen that isn't fucking stupid on its face, so that's nice. Shame he isn't going to win.

He's essentially proposed a mandatory section of the Duke of Edinburgh Gold award to all 16 year olds. I'm pretty down with it. I spent mine on a Scout camp gardening and rebuilding some of the infrastructure. It was a really positive experience.

You liked it, but there's something quite important: you decided to do it. Forcing people to do work they don't want to do is never good.

[Fartsniffage]

He's essentially proposed a mandatory section of the Duke of Edinburgh Gold award to all 16 year olds. I'm pretty down with it. I spent mine on a Scout camp gardening and rebuilding some of the infrastructure. It was a really positive experience.

You liked it, but there's something quite important: you decided to do it. Forcing people to do work they don't want to do is never good.

Which is why going to school is a choice.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

You liked it, but there's something quite important: you decided to do it. Forcing people to do work they don't want to do is never good.

Which is why going to school is a choice.

Ban schools.

[Ifreann]

More to the point, that's a massive underestimate: people who are good at the job can plant thousands of trees per day, each, and I've hit 10 per person per (very short) day with ten year olds, so it's not unreasonable to expect, say, a thousand trees out of each, over the period, if you want to commit to it properly.

He's also managed to produce the only national service proposal I've ever seen that isn't fucking stupid on its face, so that's nice. Shame he isn't going to win.

He's essentially proposed a mandatory section of the Duke of Edinburgh Gold award to all 16 year olds. I'm pretty down with it. I spent mine on a Scout camp gardening and rebuilding some of the infrastructure. It was a really positive experience.

And look at you now. Posting on NSG. Is this really what Britain wants for the next generation?

[Duhon]

Oh gods, is that a poll with every dagger I see before me?

[Chan Island]

He's essentially proposed a mandatory section of the Duke of Edinburgh Gold award to all 16 year olds. I'm pretty down with it. I spent mine on a Scout camp gardening and rebuilding some of the infrastructure. It was a really positive experience.

And look at you now. Posting on NSG. Is this really what Britain wants for the next generation?

Hm....

Yes.

Absolutely.

Posting on NSG is a exactly the future I want to see for Britain.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You liked it, but there's something quite important: you decided to do it. Forcing people to do work they don't want to do is never good.

Which is why going to school is a choice.

If you know it about anyone, you know I think going to school should be a choice before even mentioning it to me.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

[Old Tyrannia]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

The country?

Well that settles it, this policy just keeps getting better and better.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

Leave the country? Now wouldn't that be a shame.

[The Huskar Social Union]

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

The country?

Well that settles it, this policy just keeps getting better and better.

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

Leave the country? Now wouldn't that be a shame.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

Making like a tree is still supporting the enviro-agenda •ᴗ•‎

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

The country?

Well that settles it, this policy just keeps getting better and better.

6.75/10

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

Making like a tree is still supporting the enviro-agenda •ᴗ•‎

tree or no tree NCS is bs making it compulsory is a waste of time

[Vassenor]

Homophobic and transphobic hate crimes surge in England and Wales

If anyone needs me I'll be in the angry dome.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

Needing to be 'approved to vote' sounds rather sinister.

[Duhon]

Can we all pay three quid to join the Tory party and vote for Rory Stewart?

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

Well, ain't that a shame -- a grown man with a childish antipathy against greenery.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Homophobic and transphobic hate crimes surge in England and Wales

If anyone needs me I'll be in the angry dome.

Ooh I hope the angry dome's inside a Faraday Cage.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

No, you need to be a party member for at least 6 months and be approved to vote by the local association party.

Also national service planting trees is bs. I'd just leave.

Well, ain't that a shame -- a grown man with a childish antipathy against greenery.

We shall use the apparatus of the state to take revenge on all that broccoli our parents made us eat.

[Ostroeuropa]

One of the MRAs in the house of lords is pretty pissed atm.
(He was made a lord for running pretty much the only male domestic violence charity in the UK.).

https://www.mankind.org.uk/wp-content/u ... lass-1.pdf

Good example of how feminism is a national disgrace made worse by international laws upholding feminist ideals.

“By the Committee advocating, both in the Bill and the resulting guidance that the definition of domestic abuse should be gendered in favour of female victims, means men in this situation officially become viewed as second class victims. It gives unequal status to victims based on their gender. This is not acceptable in a modern and diverse country.

“It is essential that while acknowledging the very serious nature of domestic abuse against women, all authorities and service providers must do the same for male victims and survivors. This will recognise their existence and needs at the same time. To exclude this, while specifying explicitly that domestic abuse is a crime that 'disproportionately affects women and girls' carries a clear implication that male victims are less important or deserving of support than women.

“Ensuring that all victims of domestic abuse are recognised equally has to be at the heart any domestic laws and guidance. This principle means that no matter what someone’s background, gender or sexuality are, they are supported primarily on their level of need and risk. Gender is important of course, which is why we supported a gender-informed and inclusive approach but it cannot override basic principles of equality and equity. There should never be a competition between genders when it comes to recognising domestic abuse.

“Defining domestic abuse in this way will give a clear signal that male victims do not matter, that they are not equal to all victims, and continues to allow society to fail to recognise that domestic abuse affects them too. This makes it harder for men to escape and places them and any children they have at greater risk. It will also risk signalling to service providers and the justice system that they should prioritise one gender over another when the only factor should be an individual’s level of need.
Male victims already face a range of barriers, as acknowledged by both the Home Office and the Crown Prosecution Service and this only makes their plight worse.”

Key part of the Response;

Incorporating a gendered definition of domestic abuse ensures compliance with the requirements of the Istanbul Convention in demonstrating a gendered understanding of violence against
women and domestic abuse as a basis for all measures to protect and support victims.

Reminder that MRA phillip davies tried to filibuster this convention being adopted, and feminists were outraged back then too;

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ph ... 73791.html


Comment on the convention from a founder of Ladies for Phillip Davies;

The Istanbul Convention also writes patriarchy theory into law and into education – a theory that is not based on fact but belief. The preamble states: “Violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between women and men, which have led to domination over, and discrimination against, women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women.” This is an assertion I and many others absolutely reject (most people, remember, do not identify as feminists).

It's a hate movement, pure and simple.

How many feminists need to support this kind of shit and how many MRAs need to oppose it before you get it in your heads?

You're being conned. If you think feminism is an equality movement, you may as well think Richard Spencer is just about celebrating European history. Evaluate their actions and the results of their beliefs, not their face-saving pretensions. When feminists tell you our male DV situation isn't feminisms fault and is down to patriarchy, one of two things are happening:

1. They're simply spewing their holy scripture at you and think this is the same thing as genuine understanding and research, and in doing so, are preventing actual progress. (A good example of how feminist theory doesn't describe reality accurately, but feminists seem to think understanding that theory means understanding reality.).
2. They are straight up gaslighting you and lying to you about their supremacy movement.

You know how people who spread racist myths are either total arseholes, or totally ignorant and being conned?

It's the same. These two pictures? It's the same picture.