Shortly before. Then, the Twelfth Civil War.
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by Slongs » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:23 am
The New California Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:And in worse news than the imminent civil war, tomorrow is Chat Day, a day in which people are encouraged to talk to strangers on public transport.
Come on, Britain. Get your shit together.
I wonder how many conversations will go like this:
Person 1: Hi
Person 2: Fuck off.
Person 1: k.
by The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:30 am
The New California Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:And in worse news than the imminent civil war, tomorrow is Chat Day, a day in which people are encouraged to talk to strangers on public transport.
Come on, Britain. Get your shit together.
I wonder how many conversations will go like this:
Person 1: Hi
Person 2: Fuck off.
Person 1: k.
by Vassenor » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:56 am
by The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:58 am
Vassenor wrote:So there's a Boris quote that really hasn't aged well.
Bet he tries to pretend he never said that so he doesn't have to contest an election of his own.
by Mostrov » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:19 am
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:26 am
Mostrov wrote:I think you will find this a very sound 'gotcha' moment, until the moment he calls an election as soon as he leaves with no deal, at the height of his popularity and likely electoral success, which will cast a divided political landscape massively in his favour as he sweeps up all the leave voters. And unlike the labour government, which was a more formalised change of guard, this was triggered by a resignation and contested leadership ballot. But, I suppose this is all rather to be expected in the fashion of the age of denouncing democracy as being undemocratic.
While you may well have reasons for disliking him, I don't think this a wise course of attack, nor one that will age well whatsoever. Do you want me to repost it after events happen as I foresee to remind you?
by The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:03 am
Vassenor wrote:So there's a Boris quote that really hasn't aged well.
Bet he tries to pretend he never said that so he doesn't have to contest an election of his own.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:06 am
The Archregimancy wrote:<snip>
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is presumably aware of his British political history.
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by The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:25 am
by Hirota » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:26 am
After spending all day talking to idiots at work, the last thing I want to do is talk to idiots on the train.The New California Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:And in worse news than the imminent civil war, tomorrow is Chat Day, a day in which people are encouraged to talk to strangers on public transport.
Come on, Britain. Get your shit together.
I wonder how many conversations will go like this:
Person 1: Hi
Person 2: Fuck off.
Person 1: k.
by The Two Jerseys » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:28 am
Ifreann wrote:And in worse news than the imminent civil war, tomorrow is Chat Day, a day in which people are encouraged to talk to strangers on public transport.
Come on, Britain. Get your shit together.
by Hirota » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:28 am
Eye contact carries the serious punishment of a tut.The Two Jerseys wrote:Ifreann wrote:And in worse news than the imminent civil war, tomorrow is Chat Day, a day in which people are encouraged to talk to strangers on public transport.
Come on, Britain. Get your shit together.
I thought that Brits consider talking to strangers on public transit to be a crime against humanity...
by The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:32 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:35 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:42 am
by The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:57 am
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:18 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Hancock is out. He seemed fairly unobjectionable, though might be because he's such a non-entity that I kept forgetting he had entered.
Err...cripes what's the least unappetising item on this menu. Javid? If only because he looks vaguely egg-like.
by The Nihilistic view » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:47 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
Quite the presumption. Has he shown any sign of awareness?
He's shown ample evidence that he knows his British political history.
Like most British politicians, he just ignores the constitutional precedent on these points when it's political expedient. We all know Labour (and likely the other opposition parties) will ignore the same precedents cited above when the new Prime Minister takes office, just as Johnson ignored them when Brown took office.
See also the predictable demands that an MP should face a by-election whenever he or she changes party; these only ever come from the party than an MP has left, and ignore the extensive precedents on that issue; including, for what it's worth, Winston Churchill, who crossed the floor twice (1904, Con-Lib; 1924, Lib-Con) without ever facing a by-election.
That said, I know of no precedent for an MP changing party twice in four months. The Umunna situation is at least unusual.
by The Nihilistic view » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:50 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Hancock is out. He seemed fairly unobjectionable, though might be because he's such a non-entity that I kept forgetting he had entered.
Err...cripes what's the least unappetising item on this menu. Javid? If only because he looks vaguely egg-like.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:59 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Hancock is out. He seemed fairly unobjectionable, though might be because he's such a non-entity that I kept forgetting he had entered.
Err...cripes what's the least unappetising item on this menu. Javid? If only because he looks vaguely egg-like.
by The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:40 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
He's shown ample evidence that he knows his British political history.
Like most British politicians, he just ignores the constitutional precedent on these points when it's political expedient. We all know Labour (and likely the other opposition parties) will ignore the same precedents cited above when the new Prime Minister takes office, just as Johnson ignored them when Brown took office.
See also the predictable demands that an MP should face a by-election whenever he or she changes party; these only ever come from the party than an MP has left, and ignore the extensive precedents on that issue; including, for what it's worth, Winston Churchill, who crossed the floor twice (1904, Con-Lib; 1924, Lib-Con) without ever facing a by-election.
That said, I know of no precedent for an MP changing party twice in four months. The Umunna situation is at least unusual.
I think there is more of an argument for mps though given the change to the manifesto their representative now supports. A new leader can stick to the last manifesto of their party in a way an mp switching parties can't.
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:11 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
He's shown ample evidence that he knows his British political history.
Like most British politicians, he just ignores the constitutional precedent on these points when it's political expedient. We all know Labour (and likely the other opposition parties) will ignore the same precedents cited above when the new Prime Minister takes office, just as Johnson ignored them when Brown took office.
See also the predictable demands that an MP should face a by-election whenever he or she changes party; these only ever come from the party than an MP has left, and ignore the extensive precedents on that issue; including, for what it's worth, Winston Churchill, who crossed the floor twice (1904, Con-Lib; 1924, Lib-Con) without ever facing a by-election.
That said, I know of no precedent for an MP changing party twice in four months. The Umunna situation is at least unusual.
I think there is more of an argument for mps though given the change to the manifesto their representative now supports. A new leader can stick to the last manifesto of their party in a way an mp switching parties can't.
by The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:06 am
Dear [redacted],
Like 20,000 others in the last month, I am delighted to have joined the Liberal Democrats.
I have been overwhelmed by the positive response I have already received from existing members, and really want to thank everyone for their warm welcome.
I have known Vince Cable for almost a decade. Vince and I share very similar, liberal, social democratic values and it is those values which have driven my decision to join the team.
Even in the difficult coalition years there was more that united us than divided us. In the last three years, we have made common cause on Europe, working together for a People’s Vote and securing a delay to Brexit.
After leaving Labour, I had thought that Britain needed a new party and I believed that was what the millions of politically homeless people in Britain wanted.
I was wrong.
The local and European elections showed that people are ready to get behind the most consistent, credible, leading pro-European force in British politics. That’s the Liberal Democrats.
My own Streatham constituency voted more strongly to Remain than any other, and on May 23rd this year, Liberal Democrats topped the poll there.
I feel I can now represent my values and my community best by joining with you in the fight against Brexit, for a new politics and a fairer society.
And I want you to help grow the Liberal Democrats. I know there are millions of people out there who want to stop Brexit and share liberal, social democratic values. Will you ask them to join the Liberal Democrats today? [link removed]
I look forward to working together, and meeting many of you, in the coming months.
With best wishes,
Chuka
Chuka Umunna MP
Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Streatham
by The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:10 am
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