UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Hurdergaryp]

And in worse news than the imminent civil war, tomorrow is Chat Day, a day in which people are encouraged to talk to strangers on public transport.
Come on, Britain. Get your shit together.

Fuck this particular initiative so very hard that every single internal organ ruptures and the entire carriage collapses into giblets.

"Hi there! You look like someone whose mind is just swirling with interesting ideas, so I decided to start a spontaneous conversation with you."

[Dumb Ideologies]

Fuck this particular initiative so very hard that every single internal organ ruptures and the entire carriage collapses into giblets.

"Hi there! You look like someone whose mind is just swirling with interesting ideas, so I decided to start a spontaneous conversation with you."

A̴̡̛̭̱͈̱̘̠͎̠͓̦̱͛̅̒̐́͊̄͆̍́̄͘͝a̷̛̘̙̜̙̗̻͙̖̘̅̈́͆̒̿̈́̌̏͛̏̕͜͝͠͠ắ̴̛̠̂͂̍̔̍͗̊̋̊̈́̕̚a̶̗̓̈͂͊̌͠a̷̪̜̫̬͗̔̒̀̄̀̽a̵̡̨̧̢̛̤͈̬̮̮̯̗̝̪͚͔̍͌̆̆͒̉͂̔͊̕å̵̘̻̥̺̩̣̠̰̲̲̓̋̎ã̸̻̳̮́͛̃̇̏̑̿̽̐͆͠͠a̶̙̠̤͙̥͋̇a̶̝̗̫̯̭͍̺̥̫̙̩͗͜͠ͅa̷̰̞͕̣͎̰͓̹̋͛̓̇̿̍̒͘͠͠å̷̞̤ǡ̴̜̹̊̃͐̒̆̈́͝ḁ̶̢̣͉̮̫̒͆͜ͅạ̴̜͉̮͎̜̭͔̣̰̏͝a̸̢̺̲͚̝̰̳͋͛̍̓̅̌̉̆̀̍̕a̴̡̬̻̰͙̗̯̻̗͉͗̆̐̂̒̋̉̄͆̽̕͘ą̵̗͚̼̠̥͈̜̤̿͗͐͒̌̾̀̔̕͝

[Chan Island]

Fuck this particular initiative so very hard that every single internal organ ruptures and the entire carriage collapses into giblets.

"Hi there! You look like someone whose mind is just swirling with interesting ideas, so I decided to start a spontaneous conversation with you."

*proceeds to get me explaining for 45 minutes why Brexit is a terrible idea, and why the future is proportional representation*

[The Nihilistic view]

I've been thinking more and more about the fact that Brexiters constantly keep saying things like "We survived the Blitz, we can survive Brexit."

Leaving aside the fact that the people who say that are never actually the folks who survived the Blitz (the war generation being almost as pro-EU as millennials), it's weird that so many seem so gung ho about diving into something that they compare to one of the most terrible times to be in Britain. After all, a lot of people didn't survive the Blitz... Why anybody would ever want anything even remotely resembling such hardship is just beyond me.

And it's not something that's being said by the types who think GoT's Aerys II is a great role model either.

Any ideas as to why this is such a common talking point?

It's almost exactly the number of Labour mps in 2010 and 2012 though

Good guy Labour MPs, all reporting a mouse sighting just make sure the problem gets dealt with.

I think it's more an indication that the non financial reasons for brexit are more important than being slightly richer in the short term. I don't think you are meant to take it seriously, at least I hope my friends haven't taken my jokes seriously!

A Labour mp should stay at my house for a bit. My cats are bringing in about 10 mice or voles a week at the moment. Plenty of Sport! I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't release half of them whilst still alive in the kitchen.

[Ifreann]

i am very annoyed at all the "second civil war" comments

surely it's either the fourth english civil war or first british civil war

not counting jacobites

The Big Society War.

[The Nihilistic view]

i am very annoyed at all the "second civil war" comments

surely it's either the fourth english civil war or first british civil war

not counting jacobites

I think there are about 7 in reality. I presume the three you counting are what is considered the English civil war, the War of the roses and the first Barons war (magna carta)?

[Hurdergaryp]

"Hi there! You look like someone whose mind is just swirling with interesting ideas, so I decided to start a spontaneous conversation with you."

A̴̡̛̭̱͈̱̘̠͎̠͓̦̱͛̅̒̐́͊̄͆̍́̄͘͝a̷̛̘̙̜̙̗̻͙̖̘̅̈́͆̒̿̈́̌̏͛̏̕͜͝͠͠ắ̴̛̠̂͂̍̔̍͗̊̋̊̈́̕̚a̶̗̓̈͂͊̌͠a̷̪̜̫̬͗̔̒̀̄̀̽a̵̡̨̧̢̛̤͈̬̮̮̯̗̝̪͚͔̍͌̆̆͒̉͂̔͊̕å̵̘̻̥̺̩̣̠̰̲̲̓̋̎ã̸̻̳̮́͛̃̇̏̑̿̽̐͆͠͠a̶̙̠̤͙̥͋̇a̶̝̗̫̯̭͍̺̥̫̙̩͗͜͠ͅa̷̰̞͕̣͎̰͓̹̋͛̓̇̿̍̒͘͠͠å̷̞̤ǡ̴̜̹̊̃͐̒̆̈́͝ḁ̶̢̣͉̮̫̒͆͜ͅạ̴̜͉̮͎̜̭͔̣̰̏͝a̸̢̺̲͚̝̰̳͋͛̍̓̅̌̉̆̀̍̕a̴̡̬̻̰͙̗̯̻̗͉͗̆̐̂̒̋̉̄͆̽̕͘ą̵̗͚̼̠̥͈̜̤̿͗͐͒̌̾̀̔̕͝

"I, too, am quite fond of Zalgo, the Nezperdian Hive-Mind of Chaos. Can't wait for He Who Waits Behind The Wall to sing the Song That Ends The Earth!"

[Chan Island]

I've been thinking more and more about the fact that Brexiters constantly keep saying things like "We survived the Blitz, we can survive Brexit."

Leaving aside the fact that the people who say that are never actually the folks who survived the Blitz (the war generation being almost as pro-EU as millennials), it's weird that so many seem so gung ho about diving into something that they compare to one of the most terrible times to be in Britain. After all, a lot of people didn't survive the Blitz... Why anybody would ever want anything even remotely resembling such hardship is just beyond me.

And it's not something that's being said by the types who think GoT's Aerys II is a great role model either.

Any ideas as to why this is such a common talking point?



Good guy Labour MPs, all reporting a mouse sighting just make sure the problem gets dealt with.

I think it's more an indication that the non financial reasons for brexit are more important than being slightly richer in the short term. I don't think you are meant to take it seriously, at least I hope my friends haven't taken my jokes seriously!

A Labour mp should stay at my house for a bit. My cats are bringing in about 10 mice or voles a week at the moment. Plenty of Sport! I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't release half of them whilst still alive in the kitchen.

It sure doesn't look like a joke or something not to be taken seriously every time a bald red faced man angrily says that on Question Time, or when it was shouted at me during a protest.

As for the non-financial argument... well, that's frankly very silly. What the hell is the point of standing around acting like you've won when the country is poorer because of those decisions?

Yeah, cats be like that. Every time I visit my parents' place the cat decides that my return must be celebrated with a bountiful harvest of mice, shrews and birds. And one time a stoat, somehow.

[Salandriagado]

Boris won't rule out proroguing Parliament.

At least things have finally stopped being boring.

Second Civil War when?

Rather a long time ago. If we take the Norman Conquest as the start of the English state, and even ignoring Welsh, Scottish, Irish, and Norman rebellions, we've had the Harrying of the North, the Revolt of the Earls, the Anarchy, the Great Revolt, John's revolt, the First Barons' War, the Second Barons' War, Richard Marshal's revolt, the Despenser War, Isabella's invasion, the Peasants' Revolt, the Wars of the Roses, the Pilgrimage of Grace, the Prayer Book Rebellion, Kett's rebellion, Wyatt's rebellion, the English Civil War, and the Monmouth Rebellion.

[The Nihilistic view]

I think it's more an indication that the non financial reasons for brexit are more important than being slightly richer in the short term. I don't think you are meant to take it seriously, at least I hope my friends haven't taken my jokes seriously!

A Labour mp should stay at my house for a bit. My cats are bringing in about 10 mice or voles a week at the moment. Plenty of Sport! I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't release half of them whilst still alive in the kitchen.

It sure doesn't look like a joke or something not to be taken seriously every time a bald red faced man angrily says that on Question Time, or when it was shouted at me during a protest.

As for the non-financial argument... well, that's frankly very silly. What the hell is the point of standing around acting like you've won when the country is poorer because of those decisions?

Yeah, cats be like that. Every time I visit my parents' place the cat decides that my return must be celebrated with a bountiful harvest of mice, shrews and birds. And one time a stoat, somehow.

It's relatively simple, some people put better accountability over the people that make decisions that affect your life over money. I don't think there is anything particularly revolutionary contained there, people used to be prepared and in some parts of the world still are to go to prison or worse for those sort of principles. Having a GDP with possibly 9% less growth than it might have been in 25 years or whatever it was is rather mild in comparison.

[Salandriagado]

It sure doesn't look like a joke or something not to be taken seriously every time a bald red faced man angrily says that on Question Time, or when it was shouted at me during a protest.

As for the non-financial argument... well, that's frankly very silly. What the hell is the point of standing around acting like you've won when the country is poorer because of those decisions?

Yeah, cats be like that. Every time I visit my parents' place the cat decides that my return must be celebrated with a bountiful harvest of mice, shrews and birds. And one time a stoat, somehow.

It's relatively simple, some people put better accountability over the people that make decisions that affect your life over money. I don't think there is anything particularly revolutionary contained there, people used to be prepared and in some parts of the world still are to go to prison or worse for those sort of principles. Having a GDP with possibly 9% less growth than it might have been in 25 years or whatever it was is rather mild in comparison.

Except that, you know, parliament is, by every measure, less accountable than the EU.

[The Nihilistic view]

Look you know what is actually going to make everybody poorer even poorer than they could have been in the short term? Environmentalism. That's materially going to cost everybody far more than Brexit and already has cost people a lot because of certain taxes like the surcharge on energy bills that is incedentaly just poor people subsidising rich people.

Listen we need to take steps don't think I'm saying fuck the environment because I think a plan needs to be made to stop it all getting irrepairable but just recognise that it's an example of the costs deemed less important than the cause. I'm sure almost everybody if not everybody here is in favour of a greener world a world that trades finacial prosperity for billions for the desired enviromental protections and emmissions reductions. So it should not be a surprise there are other issues that people might take a similar attitude to with regards to financial implications.

[The Nihilistic view]

It's relatively simple, some people put better accountability over the people that make decisions that affect your life over money. I don't think there is anything particularly revolutionary contained there, people used to be prepared and in some parts of the world still are to go to prison or worse for those sort of principles. Having a GDP with possibly 9% less growth than it might have been in 25 years or whatever it was is rather mild in comparison.

Except that, you know, parliament is, by every measure, less accountable than the EU.

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

[Fartsniffage]

Except that, you know, parliament is, by every measure, less accountable than the EU.

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

Is the US not a democracy?

[The Nihilistic view]

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

Is the US not a democracy?

Is it an acceptable level of democracy? I would say its more of an oligarchy with democratic fancy dress. But don't tell trump I'll be arrested next time I visit my family, thinking about it should make sure I've never said that on social media......

[Fartsniffage]

Is the US not a democracy?

Is it an acceptable level of democracy? I would say its more of an oligarchy with democratic fancy dress. But don't tell trump I'll be arrested next time I visit my family, thinking about it should make sure I've never said that on social media......

Jesus Christ....are you Alex?

[The Nihilistic view]

For the avoidance of doubt, no I wouldn't find the political settlement in America acceptable if I was American.

[The Nihilistic view]

Is it an acceptable level of democracy? I would say its more of an oligarchy with democratic fancy dress. But don't tell trump I'll be arrested next time I visit my family, thinking about it should make sure I've never said that on social media......

Jesus Christ....are you Alex?

I presume you mean that crazy guy from info wars?

[Fartsniffage]

Jesus Christ....are you Alex?

I presume you mean that crazy guy from info wars?

No, I meant my brother.

[Ifreann]

Except that, you know, parliament is, by every measure, less accountable than the EU.

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

Yeah, the EU adopted direct elections for the European Commission around the same time the House of Lords was abolished and replaced with an elected senate.

[Fartsniffage]

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

Yeah, the EU adopted direct elections for the European Commission around the same time the House of Lords was abolished and replaced with an elected senate.

....and there were no survivors.

[Souseiseki]

Except that, you know, parliament is, by every measure, less accountable than the EU.

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

the EU commission should be compared to cabinet positions, which are also not voted for by the people

[Fartsniffage]

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

the EU commission should be compared to cabinet positions, which are also not voted for by the people

Stop trying to make the EU seem okay. You can't do that.

[Ifreann]

the EU commission should be compared to cabinet positions, which are also not voted for by the people

Stop trying to make the EU seem okay. You can't do that.

Clearly it doesn't work.

[Dooom35796821595]

The EU commission members are voted for by the people. I must of missed this development.....

Yeah, the EU adopted direct elections for the European Commission around the same time the House of Lords was abolished and replaced with an elected senate.

Was that before or after May had her monologue about how she is the senate, and will remain PM forever?