UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Bears Armed]

Not seen much about Pompeo's comments on Corbyn... even as someone who does think Labour currently has an anti-semitism problem, this type of reveal of the intention to meddle in the UK's democratic process is rare from our special friend and I fear indicative of the collapse of our international power in the wake of Brexit "negotiations"

Should probably ready ourselves for more of this kind of treatment

Haven't seen the comment yet. Is it actually worse than some of the British left's anti-Trump screeching?

[Ifreann]

My 'burn it all' philosophy wasn't a thing at the time of the referendum campaign. A genuine wish for the end of the world is something that has emerged in recent months, I was a normal ukipper (minus the racism) 3 years ago.

Wanting the whole world to burn is hardly worth debating

Instead of using violence, Batman should debate the Joker in the free marketplace of ideas.

[Thanatttynia]

Not seen much about Pompeo's comments on Corbyn... even as someone who does think Labour currently has an anti-semitism problem, this type of reveal of the intention to meddle in the UK's democratic process is rare from our special friend and I fear indicative of the collapse of our international power in the wake of Brexit "negotiations"

Should probably ready ourselves for more of this kind of treatment

Haven't seen the comment yet. Is it actually worse than some of the British left's anti-Trump screeching?

Insofar as it comes from a Secretary of State, yes... he said 'it's possible [that Corbyn is elected.] You should know, we won't wait for him to do those things to begin to push back. We will do our level best.'

Disdain anti-Trump screeching as much as the next sensible person but anti-Trump screechers (this side of the Atlantic) don't generally propose intervening in the American political system to prevent his election. If they do, they're generally not the second-most important person in the administration.

In any case it wouldn't really be actionable since the US is more powerful than we are; Pompeo's comments are (theoretically) actionable, and it's not like the US is a stranger to intervening in the democratic processes of independent nationstates

[Vassenor]

Not seen much about Pompeo's comments on Corbyn... even as someone who does think Labour currently has an anti-semitism problem, this type of reveal of the intention to meddle in the UK's democratic process is rare from our special friend and I fear indicative of the collapse of our international power in the wake of Brexit "negotiations"

Should probably ready ourselves for more of this kind of treatment

Haven't seen the comment yet. Is it actually worse than some of the British left's anti-Trump screeching?

So where has the British left attempted to exert actual pressure regarding who gets what office?

[Bears Armed]

I've now read the comment. Pompeo said nothing about trying to stop Corbyn becoming PM, he just told a Jewish group that -- whether or not Corbyn does become PM -- the US government would put pressure on Corbyn to halt any anti-Semitic actions by Labour. So, unless you think that Labour would become openly anti-Semitic, no problem for them...

[Vassenor]

I've now read the comment. Pompeo said nothing about trying to stop Corbyn becoming PM, he just told a Jewish group that -- whether or not Corbyn does become PM -- the US government would put pressure on Corbyn to halt any anti-Semitic actions by Labour. So, unless you think that Labour would become openly anti-Semitic, no problem for them...

So what comparable actions has the British left engaged in with Trump?

[Fartsniffage]

I've now read the comment. Pompeo said nothing about trying to stop Corbyn becoming PM, he just told a Jewish group that -- whether or not Corbyn does become PM -- the US government would put pressure on Corbyn to halt any anti-Semitic actions by Labour. So, unless you think that Labour would become openly anti-Semitic, no problem for them...

So what comparable actions has the British left engaged in with Trump?

We invited him to a state dinner and didn't serve Big Macs or tomato sauce.

[Ostroeuropa]

Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab are the only Tory candidates who would see the conservative party retain control over the house according to polls.



Unfortunately, Rory Stewart see's them obliterated and reduced to 50 seats, becoming a 4th party, with a Brexit Supermajority.

Of the two viable candidates, I'd back Raab personally. He has been in favor of transferable paternity leave since 2011, before it was even brought up by Labour, and it still forms part of his policy platform.

He argued in favour of a consistent approach to sexism against men and women commenting that some feminists were "now amongst the most obnoxious bigots" and it was sexist to blame men for the recession

Also positive.

Raab highlighted the wide range of sex discrimination faced by males including "anti-male discrimination in rights of maternity/paternity leave", young boys being "educationally disadvantaged compared to girls", and how "divorced or separated fathers are systematically ignored by the courts". Raab stated "from the cradle to the grave, men are getting a raw deal. Men work longer hours, die earlier, but retire later than women", noting that the pensions inequalities were still not going to be rectified for another seven years.

Again, all this back in 2011, suggesting a genuine commitment to the topic, especially as he has still refused to buckle despite the insular and massively overrepresented feminist media hounding him over his identification as an anti-feminist.

His policies include pay rises for teachers in deprived areas, an openly realpolitik foreign policy where we don't hide behind pretending to have morals and then inconsistently enforce them, and so on.

I'll be voting Labour, but hope Raab wins. If he does and the Tory manifesto has enough MRA positions i'll swing to Tory for that election.

From the Lib Dems site;

Let us not forget Raab’s ignorant comments calling feminists the “most obnoxious bigots”.

Raab thinks it is unnecessary to close the equality gap amongst men and women. In fact, he believes if there is an equality gap, it's men who get the short end of the stick and that we need to focus on the issue of improving men’s rights.

Oh no, heaven forbid.

MRA Surge plz? We got Brexit Party representatives, and if we can get the Tories too and push the Idpol left into a couple of wilderness years, that'd be great. I also know the feminist overrun media can't help themselves, so the mere presence of an anti-feminist candidate leading the Tories will mean they cannot shut up about it and keep attacking him for it, pushing that issue into the mainstream and making it one of the major election issues, after which defeating them will send a clear message.

The worst candidate, the one making the MRM shitlist, is Leadsom, for her comments that;

"Men should not be entrusted to do childcare professions or be primary carers, as they may be pedophiles.".

So there's going to be efforts to keep her down and put Raab up it looks like.

[The Two Jerseys]

Haven't seen the comment yet. Is it actually worse than some of the British left's anti-Trump screeching?

So where has the British left attempted to exert actual pressure regarding who gets what office?

*Cough*

[Philjia]

Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab are the only Tory candidates who would see the conservative party retain control over the house according to polls.

Based on those projections Raab would be unlikely to keep control of the house, since there aren't enough Brexit and DUP MPs there to see off a no confidence vote from a Lab-SNP-Lib-Plaid pact. Still, I'm sure if he got in he'd do his best to ensure that men and women are equally deprived and oppressed.

[Ostroeuropa]

Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab are the only Tory candidates who would see the conservative party retain control over the house according to polls.

Based on those projections Raab would be unlikely to keep control of the house, since there aren't enough Brexit and DUP MPs there to see off a no confidence vote from a Lab-SNP-Lib-Plaid pact. Still, I'm sure if he got in he'd do his best to ensure that men and women are equally deprived and oppressed.

In economic terms maybe, but we'd see progress on a social front along several key issues.

[Fartsniffage]

Based on those projections Raab would be unlikely to keep control of the house, since there aren't enough Brexit and DUP MPs there to see off a no confidence vote from a Lab-SNP-Lib-Plaid pact. Still, I'm sure if he got in he'd do his best to ensure that men and women are equally deprived and oppressed.

In economic terms maybe, but we'd see progress on a social front along several key issues.

I'm maybe biased on this since money issues are the ones most likely to trigger my anxiety and send me towards another suicide attempt. But are you fucking serious? Money is what keep people alive. Take that away and they have no food, no shelter, no power. Being equal with others is nice, but if you freeze to death without shelter then it's a fucking moot point.

[Duhon]

Not seen much about Pompeo's comments on Corbyn... even as someone who does think Labour currently has an anti-semitism problem, this type of reveal of the intention to meddle in the UK's democratic process is rare from our special friend and I fear indicative of the collapse of our international power in the wake of Brexit "negotiations"

Should probably ready ourselves for more of this kind of treatment

Your special friend happens to be governed by colossal dicks, sharpening their talons for the inevitable corpsefeeding frenzy, right this very moment.

[Thanatttynia]

Not seen much about Pompeo's comments on Corbyn... even as someone who does think Labour currently has an anti-semitism problem, this type of reveal of the intention to meddle in the UK's democratic process is rare from our special friend and I fear indicative of the collapse of our international power in the wake of Brexit "negotiations"

Should probably ready ourselves for more of this kind of treatment

Your special friend happens to be governed by colossal dicks, sharpening their talons for the inevitable corpsefeeding frenzy, right this very moment.

They may be colossal dicks but they're not uniquely evil. If they're prepared and able to intervene, other nations will be too. In any case it's not exactly a first for America to involve itself in morally dubious efforts (regime change or otherwise) in other countries. Obama had Merkel's phone tapped... My point is more that a US Secretary of State wouldn't have made such comments even five years ago. The UK's international power is nosediving, this is just one indication of that

[Ostroeuropa]

In economic terms maybe, but we'd see progress on a social front along several key issues.

I'm maybe biased on this since money issues are the ones most likely to trigger my anxiety and send me towards another suicide attempt. But are you fucking serious? Money is what keep people alive. Take that away and they have no food, no shelter, no power. Being equal with others is nice, but if you freeze to death without shelter then it's a fucking moot point.

Like I said, i'm probably voting Labour but support Raab for Tory leader. If Tory economics is set in stone, he's clearly the best of the two between him and Boris.

To vote for Raab i'd need a sweeping amount of MRA reforms which he isn't likely to give because some of them cost money.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm maybe biased on this since money issues are the ones most likely to trigger my anxiety and send me towards another suicide attempt. But are you fucking serious? Money is what keep people alive. Take that away and they have no food, no shelter, no power. Being equal with others is nice, but if you freeze to death without shelter then it's a fucking moot point.

Like I said, i'm probably voting Labour but support Raab for Tory leader. If Tory economics is set in stone, he's clearly the best of the two between him and Boris.

To vote for Raab i'd need a sweeping amount of MRA reforms which he isn't likely to give because some of them cost money.

I don't believe you. I honestly think you would sacrifice a good and better distributed economy for your MRA ideals.

[Philjia]

In economic terms maybe, but we'd see progress on a social front along several key issues.

I'm maybe biased on this since money issues are the ones most likely to trigger my anxiety and send me towards another suicide attempt. But are you fucking serious? Money is what keep people alive. Take that away and they have no food, no shelter, no power. Being equal with others is nice, but if you freeze to death without shelter then it's a fucking moot point.

The most charitable I can be is to say Dominic Raab doesn't understand poverty because he's totally removed from it. Sajid Javid has a more convincing claim to actually represent the interests of working people, since his father was an immigrant bus driver turned shop owner, he was subjected to racial abuse, and was fucked over by the education system more than once.

[Ostroeuropa]

Like I said, i'm probably voting Labour but support Raab for Tory leader. If Tory economics is set in stone, he's clearly the best of the two between him and Boris.

To vote for Raab i'd need a sweeping amount of MRA reforms which he isn't likely to give because some of them cost money.

I don't believe you. I honestly think you would sacrifice a good and better distributed economy for your MRA ideals.

The extent to which it's a red line issue is not one i'm fully clear on myself. How about you ask yourself the corollary question though, which I note progressives often don't, if insisting on feminism and multiculturalism and all that shit ensures the left loses, isn't it you guys sacrificing a good and better distributed economy for your progressive ideals?

We've consistently seen data showing overwhelming support for left wing economic proposals. It is no mystery why the left is struggling across the western world.

Trot out Oswald Mosley and point out he's got some stellar economics all you want, i'll still back that Fat baby faced Tory smoking the cigar until the threat is dealt with. Now you're not quite as bad as literal fascists, but it's the same principle, just a matter of scale.

The more Raab offers the more likely I am to feel it'd be okay to vote for him, just like the more feminist and progressive Labour gets the less I feel their economic platform justifies it as they approach the Mosley threshhold.

What would you need to feel the same? How much Tory economics has to be held over you before you decide actually fuck it, we need to get rid of these people they are electoral cancer. Stop pushing feminists and idpol types, they're ensuring Conservatism. How about a Tony Blair style landslide for Boris fucking Johnson, that about do it?

Because you can pretend it's a flaw with just me if you like, but ultimately it's a subjective interpretation and evaluation, and it's one most of the country, and most western countries everywhere, are siding with me on rather than you.

I'm just curious, how many wilderness years, referendums and so on, does it take to get the message?

No Mr Mosley, you can't gas the Jews.
No FS, we're not allowing you progressives power again.

https://www.ft.com/content/c8d95118-4a4 ... 51caedcde6

Hmmmmmmmm...

Guess it must be something else if most Tory voters don't even like Tory economics.

I wonder what. It's a mystery. A total mystery.

Like, you'd think the whole Brexit situation would have been enough, when the consistent response has been "We don't care though, we literally don't care about anything you're saying about the economy or the benefits and so on. Many of us perfectly prepared to burn this country to the ground provided it sends a signal that we're done cooperating with your faction" from the Brexiteers.

[Duhon]

Your special friend happens to be governed by colossal dicks, sharpening their talons for the inevitable corpsefeeding frenzy, right this very moment.

They may be colossal dicks but they're not uniquely evil. If they're prepared and able to intervene, other nations will be too. In any case it's not exactly a first for America to involve itself in morally dubious efforts (regime change or otherwise) in other countries. Obama had Merkel's phone tapped... My point is more that a US Secretary of State wouldn't have made such comments even five years ago. The UK's international power is nosediving, this is just one indication of that

I doubt it has as much to do with the UK's clout dimming as a consequence of Brexit, as it is with the predatory instincts of the one running over the special friend in question.

[Slongs]

I'm sure more people would find brexit more appealing if it was possible to get it through easier than it's been so far

I mean, maybe.
So?

I'm sure I'd find jumping off a building more appealing if it was possible to do it without splattering on the pavement.
But it's not, so I don't.

I mean of course just because they might find it more appealing it doesn't mean they'd actually want it anyway

[The Huskar Social Union]

You know what see as long as Gove doesnt become PM im happy.

Well i say happy, im not happy, they are all cunts, but i really dont want him to be PM.

[The Blaatschapen]

You know what see as long as Gove doesnt become PM im happy.

Well i say happy, im not happy, they are all cunts, but i really dont want him to be PM.

Just breathe and let it go(ve)!

[The Huskar Social Union]

You know what see as long as Gove doesnt become PM im happy.

Well i say happy, im not happy, they are all cunts, but i really dont want him to be PM.

Just breathe and let it go(ve)!

Fuck no, as far as i am concerned that coke addict is a threat to my home.

Fucker has always been opposed to the GFA and the peace process, believes the British army and RUC were capable of no wrong and that the peace process was comparable to nazi appeasement. And add on to that the fuck thinks KAREN FUCKING BRADLEY, of all people is "Brilliant"

Fucker wants to be bum buddies with the DUP, i dont trust him in the slightest.

[The Blaatschapen]

Just breathe and let it go(ve)!

Fuck no, as far as i am concerned that coke addict is a threat to my home.

Fucker has always been opposed to the GFA and the peace process, believes the British army and RUC were capable of no wrong and that the peace process was comparable to nazi appeasement. And add on to that the fuck thinks KAREN FUCKING BRADLEY, of all people is "Brilliant"

Aren't all Tories a threat to your home?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Fuck no, as far as i am concerned that coke addict is a threat to my home.

Fucker has always been opposed to the GFA and the peace process, believes the British army and RUC were capable of no wrong and that the peace process was comparable to nazi appeasement. And add on to that the fuck thinks KAREN FUCKING BRADLEY, of all people is "Brilliant"

Aren't all Tories a threat to your home?

At this stage yeah but he pisses me off even more.

Double threat, double cunt threat