UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Jacob Rees Mogg.

He'll probably win too, and we'll have to watch our Liberal establishment look horrified as the left brings up Moggs dad was like, a fascist conspirator against the country who tried to organize a coup in order to transfer supreme authority to the hereditary peers of the realm backed by the armed forces, and that Mogg called himself a "Grand Wizard" for a while until people were like "dude that's not funny" and so on, and Moggs supporters go;
"So? So what? That sounds nice.".

The sins of the fathers should not be visited upon their sons.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Jacob Rees Mogg.

He'll probably win too, and we'll have to watch our Liberal establishment look horrified as the left brings up Moggs dad was like, a fascist conspirator against the country who tried to organize a coup in order to transfer supreme authority to the hereditary peers of the realm backed by the armed forces, and that Mogg called himself a "Grand Wizard" for a while until people were like "dude that's not funny" and so on, and Moggs supporters go;
"So? So what? That sounds nice.".

You stop that. You're almost making me like him a bit. Bad!

[Liriena]

Jacob Rees Mogg.

He'll probably win too, and we'll have to watch our Liberal establishment look horrified as the left brings up Moggs dad was like, a fascist conspirator against the country who tried to organize a coup in order to transfer supreme authority to the hereditary peers of the realm backed by the armed forces, and that Mogg called himself a "Grand Wizard" for a while until people were like "dude that's not funny" and so on, and Moggs supporters go;
"So? So what? That sounds nice.".

The sins of the fathers should not be visited upon their sons.

When the sons are cunts, though...

[Ostroeuropa]

Jacob Rees Mogg.

He'll probably win too, and we'll have to watch our Liberal establishment look horrified as the left brings up Moggs dad was like, a fascist conspirator against the country who tried to organize a coup in order to transfer supreme authority to the hereditary peers of the realm backed by the armed forces, and that Mogg called himself a "Grand Wizard" for a while until people were like "dude that's not funny" and so on, and Moggs supporters go;
"So? So what? That sounds nice.".

The sins of the fathers should not be visited upon their sons.

Generally sons do not inherit their position in society from people who would, in most societies, have been hanged and have their property confiscated. Mogg is who is is because his father is who he is, and it's important to note exactly who his father was.

He only got away with it because the culture of the time was perfectly happy to cover up pedophilia and sex trafficking by aristocrats, why not fascist conspiracies?

It is by definition worth noting that when Mogg spends money, he's spending the money of a traitor, and so on. He bought his way into the conservative party with a traitors gold. Gold that most people throughout history would say should belong to the state really.

We're not talking vague here. He actively tried to get a fascist coup going. His mistake was approaching a "popular" military figure to serve as the figurehead on the assumption such a person was inclined to support him, and was told; "This is treason. Please leave.".

[Liriena]

The sins of the fathers should not be visited upon their sons.

Generally sons do not inherit their position in society from people who would, in most societies, have been hanged and have their property confiscated. Mogg is who is is because his father is who he is, and it's important to note exactly who his father was.

He only got away with it because the culture of the time was perfectly happy to cover up pedophilia and sex trafficking by aristocrats, why not fascist conspiracies?

It is by definition worth noting that when Mogg spends money, he's spending the money of a traitor, and so on. He bought his way into the conservative party with a traitors gold. Gold that most people throughout history would say should belong to the state really.

Also, isn't he, like, involved in a dubiously legal financial scheme where he stands to make a huge profit in a no-deal Brexit?

[Ostroeuropa]

Generally sons do not inherit their position in society from people who would, in most societies, have been hanged and have their property confiscated. Mogg is who is is because his father is who he is, and it's important to note exactly who his father was.

He only got away with it because the culture of the time was perfectly happy to cover up pedophilia and sex trafficking by aristocrats, why not fascist conspiracies?

It is by definition worth noting that when Mogg spends money, he's spending the money of a traitor, and so on. He bought his way into the conservative party with a traitors gold. Gold that most people throughout history would say should belong to the state really.

Also, isn't he, like, involved in a dubiously legal financial scheme where he stands to make a huge profit in a no-deal Brexit?

When asked to denounce German far-right parties and asked if he really needs to quote them so often, he went ballistic and screamed about left wing political correctness. THAT would have been the time I personally would have asked;

"Wasn't your father a fascist traitor?"

[Ifreann]

Jacob Rees Mogg.

He'll probably win too, and we'll have to watch our Liberal establishment look horrified as the left brings up Moggs dad was like, a fascist conspirator against the country who tried to organize a coup in order to transfer supreme authority to the hereditary peers of the realm backed by the armed forces, and that Mogg called himself a "Grand Wizard" for a while until people were like "dude that's not funny" and so on, and Moggs supporters go;
"So? So what? That sounds nice.".

The sins of the fathers should not be visited upon their sons.

You must be new to British politics.

[Liriena]

Also, isn't he, like, involved in a dubiously legal financial scheme where he stands to make a huge profit in a no-deal Brexit?

When asked to denounce German far-right parties and asked if he really needs to quote them so often, he went ballistic and screamed about left wing political correctness. THAT would have been the time I personally would have asked;

"Wasn't your father a fascist traitor?"

British journalism really is in the gutter, ain't it?

[Aclion]

He only got away with it because the culture of the time was perfectly happy to cover up pedophilia and sex trafficking by aristocrats,

"the culture of the time" These days you don't even have to be an aristocrat.

[San Lumen]

Well this escalated quickly. I merely asked who the contenders were to replace May. So far I have Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg.

[Ifreann]

Well this escalated quickly. I merely asked who the contenders were to replace May. So far I have Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg.

We don't actually know who'll compete for Tory party leader yet. BoJo and JRM certainly want to be PM, though.

[Aclion]

Oh and and while I'm here.

"looks like May is ending a week early"

[Caracasus]

Also, isn't he, like, involved in a dubiously legal financial scheme where he stands to make a huge profit in a no-deal Brexit?

When asked to denounce German far-right parties and asked if he really needs to quote them so often, he went ballistic and screamed about left wing political correctness. THAT would have been the time I personally would have asked;

"Wasn't your father a fascist traitor?"

Yeah he seems intent on carrying on the time honoured tradition of English aristocracy. Collaborating with German fascists.

[San Lumen]

Well this escalated quickly. I merely asked who the contenders were to replace May. So far I have Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg.

We don't actually know who'll compete for Tory party leader yet. BoJo and JRM certainly want to be PM, though.

ah ok. I hope Johnson doesnt become PM. He's hideous and horrible. How does the process work in selecting a new Prime Minister?

Will May resign as PM when she steps down and a interim leader becomes PM?

[Ifreann]

We don't actually know who'll compete for Tory party leader yet. BoJo and JRM certainly want to be PM, though.

ah ok. I hope Johnson doesnt become PM. He's hideous and horrible. How does the process work in selecting a new Prime Minister?

Will May resign as PM when she steps down and a interim leader becomes PM?

No, she'll continue to be PM until(and unless) someone else is voted into the position by Parliament.

[San Lumen]

ah ok. I hope Johnson doesnt become PM. He's hideous and horrible. How does the process work in selecting a new Prime Minister?

Will May resign as PM when she steps down and a interim leader becomes PM?

No, she'll continue to be PM until(and unless) someone else is voted into the position by Parliament.

How does the process work? Do people declare they are running and then whoever gets the most votes in Parliament becomes PM?

[Novus America]

ah ok. I hope Johnson doesnt become PM. He's hideous and horrible. How does the process work in selecting a new Prime Minister?

Will May resign as PM when she steps down and a interim leader becomes PM?

No, she'll continue to be PM until(and unless) someone else is voted into the position by Parliament.

And how long will that take is the question.

[Uan aa Boa]

How does the process work? Do people declare they are running and then whoever gets the most votes in Parliament becomes PM?

She's not resigning as PM but as leader of the Conservative party. The process is that Conservative MPs will, in a series of votes, narrow the contenders down to a final two with the leadership then being decided by a vote of party members. This could all take about 6 weeks.

Prime Ministers are invited by the Queen to form a government. In practice this invitation can only be extended to the person who has the best chance of controlling the House of Commons, which at the moment is the leader of the Conservative party. So when a new leader has been chosen May will visit the Queen and formally resign as PM. On the same day the new leader will visit the Queen and be invited to form a government.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Where is this idea that Rees-Mogg's father was some kind of fascist traitor coming from?

[The Archregimancy]

Jacob Rees Mogg.

He'll probably win too, and we'll have to watch our Liberal establishment look horrified as the left brings up Moggs dad was like, a fascist conspirator against the country who tried to organize a coup in order to transfer supreme authority to the hereditary peers of the realm backed by the armed forces, and that Mogg called himself a "Grand Wizard" for a while until people were like "dude that's not funny" and so on, and Moggs supporters go;
"So? So what? That sounds nice.".

The reasons that Jacob Rees-Mogg will very likely never be Prime Minister - which, to his credit, he knows - has nothing to do with his father's politics (and, for what it's worth, you're not necessarily accurately representing the Times's support for Cecil King's 1968 anti-Wilson manoeuvres; nor did William Rees-Mogg organise the plot, though he did implicitly support it via the Times's editorial position), and everything to do with his conservative Catholicism, and his personal positions on abortion and gay rights.

The first raises constitutional issues given that England (specifically) has an established state church; constitutional issues which, ironically, an arch-traditionalist like Rees-Mogg is unlikely to contest. The second raises political issues that proved impossible for Tim Farron to negotiate, never mind an actual Prime Minister.

Jacob Rees-Mogg might very well become a senior and influential cabinet minister under a pro-Brexit Prime Minister; but it's virtually inconceivable that he'll ever be Prime Minister.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Where is the thing about William rees-mogg proposing a fascist coup? I can't find it anywhere, I thought he wrote for the times

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

When asked to denounce German far-right parties and asked if he really needs to quote them so often, he went ballistic and screamed about left wing political correctness. THAT would have been the time I personally would have asked;

"Wasn't your father a fascist traitor?"

Yeah he seems intent on carrying on the time honoured tradition of English aristocracy. Collaborating with German fascists.

Rees-Mogg isn't an aristocrat, he's the son of a newspaper editor.

[Uan aa Boa]

Where is the thing about William rees-mogg proposing a fascist coup? I can't find it anywhere, I thought he wrote for the times

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Wi ... _1968_plot

The description of this event in this thread has been just a tad sensationalised.

[Philjia]

In other news, nominations have opened for candidates to be the next leader of the Liberal Democrats, in preparation for Vince Cable's stepping down on July 23rd.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

In other news, nominations have opened for candidates to be the next leader of the Liberal Democrats, in preparation for Vince Cable's stepping down on July 23rd.

Got to be Jo Swinson.