UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Ifreann]

You know what's really great? That whole thing with the okay sign was meant to make liberals look ridiculous, "Haha, look at them, freaking out over the okay sign".

But now the right are doing that to themselves, entirely organically. Look at yourselves. You're freaking out over milkshakes. It's the doom of civilised society, the left are destroying peaceful politics, lock these criminals away, this is assault, this is violent, you're normalising violence!

Calm down, lads, they're only milkshakes. Keep this up and people will think you're deranged.

[Ostroeuropa]

You know what's really great? That whole thing with the okay sign was meant to make liberals look ridiculous, "Haha, look at them, freaking out over the okay sign".

But now the right are doing that to themselves, entirely organically. Look at yourselves. You're freaking out over milkshakes. It's the doom of civilised society, the left are destroying peaceful politics, lock these criminals away, this is assault, this is violent, you're normalising violence!

Calm down, lads, they're only milkshakes. Keep this up and people will think you're deranged.

The law pretty clearly defines it as assault. Going around assaulting people because you don't like them is fairly definitionally uncivilized and its normalization is basically the downfall of civilized society. It will also escalate.

An Okay sign is just that, an okay sign. It's not like the far-right have up and convinced themselves that a left winger drinking a milkshake is the same thing as assault, or that left-wingers tossing milkshakes into bins is a deliberate allusion to harassment intended to intimidate everyone present.

[Hirota]

Normalising and justifying this kind of act against people or policies you find distasteful, inevitably opens the door for other people to do exactly the same against people or policies they find distasteful. If you lack the ability to understand that then that is your failing not anyone elses.

Yes, throwing milkshakes at Nigel Farage opens the door to public harassment of LGBT people, something that would otherwise not have happened at all. Now if the thing that has been happening for decades continues to happen it will be because of the left.

You sound like my nieces when they were aged six or so. "They started it!" whilst they each blamed the other for whatever petty squabble they were on about. Meanwhile the grown ups didn't really care and just told them to pack it in or they'd be sent to their respective rooms.

We can either act like a bunch of petty kids, or we can take some responsibility and do something constructive and decide not to act like six year olds. I know I choose the latter, how you choose to behave is up to you.

[Galloism]

Nigel Farage victim of brutal milkshaking.

I am proud of my city and it's people.

I mean, it certainly makes Nigel Farage look like the good sport on this debate. I don't know much about the guy other than he wants to brexit, but when you show up covered in milkshake and engage with your supporters anyway like the picture shows:



Well, first impression is he's a good sport about things.

You might say the protest does the opposite of its intent at first glance.

[Alvecia]

Yes, throwing milkshakes at Nigel Farage opens the door to public harassment of LGBT people, something that would otherwise not have happened at all. Now if the thing that has been happening for decades continues to happen it will be because of the left.

I mean, you do lose the moral high ground.

But I guess that wasn't that important anyway.

Depending on the person in question, you could cartwheel down the moral hill and end up at the bottom still higher than them.

[Andsed]

I am proud of my city and it's people.

I mean, it certainly makes Nigel Farage look like the good sport on this debate. I don't know much about the guy other than he wants to brexit, but when you show up covered in milkshake and engage with your supporters anyway like the picture shows:



Well, first impression is he's a good sport about things.

You might say the protest does the opposite of its intent at first glance.

Yeah it is almost like throwing a milkshake at someone does basically nothing to discredit their arguments.

[Alvecia]

I mean, it certainly makes Nigel Farage look like the good sport on this debate. I don't know much about the guy other than he wants to brexit, but when you show up covered in milkshake and engage with your supporters anyway like the picture shows:



Well, first impression is he's a good sport about things.

You might say the protest does the opposite of its intent at first glance.

Yeah it is almost like throwing a milkshake at someone does basically nothing to discredit their arguments.

Not to presume to know the throwers, but I suspect that they were under no impression that lactose has any effect on one’s argumentative position.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yeah it is almost like throwing a milkshake at someone does basically nothing to discredit their arguments.

Not to presume to know the throwers, but I suspect that they were under no impression that lactose has any effect on one’s argumentative position.

Then why'd they throw it?

[Andsed]

Yeah it is almost like throwing a milkshake at someone does basically nothing to discredit their arguments.

Not to presume to know the throwers, but I suspect that they were under no impression that lactose has any effect on one’s argumentative position.

Okay? Does not change the fact that throwing a milkshake at someone does nothing to discredit them.

[Alvecia]

Not to presume to know the throwers, but I suspect that they were under no impression that lactose has any effect on one’s argumentative position.

Then why'd they throw it?

Cause they think he’s a bit of a wanker?

[Alvecia]

Not to presume to know the throwers, but I suspect that they were under no impression that lactose has any effect on one’s argumentative position.

Okay? Does not change the fact that throwing a milkshake at someone does nothing to discredit them.

It doesn’t, but unless the explicit intent of the thrower was to do exactly that, then the statement is a bit of a non-sequitur.

Again, I don’t actually know what the intentions were, I just know what my intentions would be were I them.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Then why'd they throw it?

Cause they think he’s a bit of a wanker?

That's not a good reason to make like a monkey and throw shit.

[Alvecia]

Cause they think he’s a bit of a wanker?

That's not a good reason to make like a monkey and throw shit.

No, but it is pretty funny.

[Ifreann]

Yes, throwing milkshakes at Nigel Farage opens the door to public harassment of LGBT people, something that would otherwise not have happened at all. Now if the thing that has been happening for decades continues to happen it will be because of the left.

You sound like my nieces when they were aged six or so. "They started it!" whilst they each blamed the other for whatever petty squabble they were on about. Meanwhile the grown ups didn't really care and just told them to pack it in or they'd be sent to their respective rooms.

But I'm not saying that someone else started it and these milkshakes are retaliation. I'm telling you that public harassment of LGBT has been happening for years. It cannot possibly have been caused by this new trend of throwing milkshakes. That's not how linear time works.

We can either act like a bunch of petty kids, or we can take some responsibility and do something constructive and decide not to act like six year olds. I know I choose the latter, how you choose to behave is up to you.

This is amazing. You tell me that because of these milkshakes, the door will be opened to the same thing happening to LGBT people. You tell me that that the left has started it and now the right are going to do it too and it'll be the left's fault. And I respond no, LGBT people have been getting harassed in public since forever, and you say that I'm acting like a child, saying they started it.

I've rejected your argument and then you accuse me of making that argument myself. The mind boggles.

[Ifreann]

I am proud of my city and it's people.

I mean, it certainly makes Nigel Farage look like the good sport on this debate. I don't know much about the guy other than he wants to brexit, but when you show up covered in milkshake and engage with your supporters anyway like the picture shows:



Well, first impression is he's a good sport about things.

You might say the protest does the opposite of its intent at first glance.

He didn't engage with his supporters. He got in his car and left.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Cause they think he’s a bit of a wanker?

That's not a good reason to make like a monkey and throw shit.

Is there a better one?

[Andsed]

That's not a good reason to make like a monkey and throw shit.

No, but it is pretty funny.

Maybe for a circle jerk. For anyone with a brain it is little more than a tantrum thrown by someone is apparently unwilling to act like an adult and debate.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

That's not a good reason to make like a monkey and throw shit.

Is there a better one?

No there isn't. That's the point, isn't it?

[Galloism]

He didn't engage with his supporters. He got in his car and left.

Got a source? because that's not what the article seems to indicate.

Could be a strange juxtaposition of phrasing, but they talk about him meeting his supporters after they talk about him getting hit with the milkshake.

[Philjia]

No, but it is pretty funny.

Maybe for a circle jerk. For anyone with a brain it is little more than a tantrum thrown by someone is apparently unwilling to act like an adult and debate.

Debates are tantrums for people who think they're too good for tantrums.

[Ifreann]

No, but it is pretty funny.

Maybe for a circle jerk. For anyone with a brain it is little more than a tantrum thrown by someone is apparently unwilling to act like an adult and debate.

What do you imagine could possibly be gained by debating Nigel Farage?

Do you think that if you drop some epic logic on him he'll be destroyed and he'll resign from politics?

[Dumb Ideologies]

The trend towards disrupting talks, speeches and events of people you disagree with isn't great, and it's something people should get a caution or - in slightly more chaotic cases - a couple of days of community service for if caught.

That said, memey milkshakes hitting politicians as your breaking point of outrage for toxic politics seems odd given the infinitesimal chances of serious injury and the fact that there's, you know, death threats and stuff going round.

Boring opinion, I know.

[Galloism]

Maybe for a circle jerk. For anyone with a brain it is little more than a tantrum thrown by someone is apparently unwilling to act like an adult and debate.

What do you imagine could possibly be gained by debating Nigel Farage?

Do you think that if you drop some epic logic on him he'll be destroyed and he'll resign from politics?

Debates aren't to sway your opponent - they're to sway the audience.

Do you really think when Hilary debated Trump she was trying to convert him into being a Democrat again?

[Alvecia]

No, but it is pretty funny.

Maybe for a circle jerk. For anyone with a brain it is little more than a tantrum thrown by someone is apparently unwilling to act like an adult and debate.

Well, no accounting for taste, I suppose

[Andsed]

Maybe for a circle jerk. For anyone with a brain it is little more than a tantrum thrown by someone is apparently unwilling to act like an adult and debate.

What do you imagine could possibly be gained by debating Nigel Farage?

Do you think that if you drop some epic logic on him he'll be destroyed and he'll resign from politics?

You do understand the points of debates right? It is not to convince your opponent it is to convince netruals. Throwing a milkshakes makes you look bad not the one having stuff thrown at them.

Maybe for a circle jerk. For anyone with a brain it is little more than a tantrum thrown by someone is apparently unwilling to act like an adult and debate.

Debates are tantrums for people who think they're too good for tantrums.

That is utter bullshit.