Even then, at least 350 against
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by Risottia » Tue May 14, 2019 3:21 pm
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Regardless, if the UK reenters the EU, it will lose most if not all of the special privileges it currently has (such as having its own currency).
by Ifreann » Tue May 14, 2019 3:36 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A Brexit Bill being introduced in early June.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48275827
May hasn't been back to the EU, so it's the same deal. Why would more people vote for it the 4th time around?
by Esperantujo 2 » Tue May 14, 2019 3:38 pm
by Philjia » Tue May 14, 2019 3:45 pm
Esperantujo 2 wrote:The question of Deal/No Deal is illogical, because whether there is a deal or not is up to the EU, not the UK. In particular, it is not known whether the EU would approve a deal proposed by a future Labour government.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 15, 2019 2:33 am
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 15, 2019 3:05 am
Fartsniffage wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A Brexit Bill being introduced in early June.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48275827
May hasn't been back to the EU, so it's the same deal. Why would more people vote for it the 4th time around?
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 15, 2019 3:14 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
May hasn't been back to the EU, so it's the same deal. Why would more people vote for it the 4th time around?
I would guess the idea is that the disastrous local and European election results will make both Conservatives and Labour MPs realise they are about to destroy their parties if they don't achieve Brexit.
Personally I don't think it will work. I expect members of ERG to jump ship and join the Brexit Party, leading to the destruction of the Tory Party.
by Neu Leonstein » Wed May 15, 2019 3:28 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Defections are remarkably rare in british politics.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 15, 2019 4:50 am
Neu Leonstein wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Defections are remarkably rare in british politics.
And yet we've already seen a bunch. The reason defections are rare is in no small part due to the electoral system's logic. The only way to break out of the tendency towards two-party systems is a genuine paradigm shift. Something that causes either a rift within either party so deep and personal that it collapses as an organisation, or something that drives voters away on such scale that we're talking about shifts in the tens of percents.
Brexit has all the hallmarks of such a shift. And, quite frankly, what exactly does the Conservative Party as an organisation have to say about it? Or, even more importantly, do they have even the slightest idea of what they actually want to achieve with this newfound "independence"? Britain doesn't have Brexit because it doesn't have a Brexit policy, because the Tories don't have a Brexit policy.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 15, 2019 4:54 am
by Neu Leonstein » Wed May 15, 2019 5:05 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Nor does labour, so there isn't even an effective opposition to nothing.
by Nakena » Wed May 15, 2019 5:30 am
Risottia wrote:Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Regardless, if the UK reenters the EU, it will lose most if not all of the special privileges it currently has (such as having its own currency).
That's exactly why I want Britain to leave. I'm sick of Britain
a) playing special snowflake all the time with opt-outs from anything and their uncle,
b) getting rebates on membership fees while getting full voting rights,
c) playing second fiddle to Uncle Sam and undermining any attempt at further unification.
Britain needs to leave asap, they wanted it and they wasted enough of the Commission's and EP's time. If Ol'Blighty wants to apply again, the queue starts over there, right after Albania and Serbia. No rebates though this time. It's either full commitment to the unification process or just good neighbours.
by The Archregimancy » Wed May 15, 2019 5:32 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A Scottish Change UK candidate has defected to the Lib Dems.
The pro-remain Change UK party has suffered an embarrassing setback in Scotland after its lead candidate in the European elections urged voters to back the Liberal Democrats.
David Macdonald, an independent councillor in East Renfrewshire, said pro-remain voters who also opposed Scottish independence should back the Lib Dems in next week’s vote. He said he would stand down as Change UK’s top candidate.
Macdonald said he believed Change UK was splitting the remain vote, which would allow Nigel Farage’s Brexit party to win one of Scotland’s six European seats unless pro-UK remain voters rallied behind the Liberal Democrats.
“We have a much more diluted remain vote in Scotland and it’s becoming very clear and apparent close to these elections that we’re in grave danger of splitting this vote,” he said, standing alongside the Scottish Lib Dem leader, Willie Rennie.
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 15, 2019 5:38 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A Scottish Change UK candidate has defected to the Lib Dems.
by Ifreann » Wed May 15, 2019 5:38 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A Scottish Change UK candidate has defected to the Lib Dems.
by The New California Republic » Wed May 15, 2019 5:38 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A Scottish Change UK candidate has defected to the Lib Dems.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 15, 2019 5:52 am
The New California Republic wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:A Scottish Change UK candidate has defected to the Lib Dems.
"Worried about splitting the vote" they said, and they are entirely right. There is a real possibility of voters being divided between Change/Lib Dem/Labour/Green/SNP etc that the likes of UKIP and The Brexit Party could win serious numbers of seats.
by The New California Republic » Wed May 15, 2019 5:54 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The New California Republic wrote:"Worried about splitting the vote" they said, and they are entirely right. There is a real possibility of voters being divided between Change/Lib Dem/Labour/Green/SNP etc that the likes of UKIP and The Brexit Party could win serious numbers of seats.
lol, like that's a bad thing
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 15, 2019 9:08 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Some Welsh UKIPpers have defected to the Brexit Party. What was that about defections being rare in British politics?
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 15, 2019 9:34 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:All our politicians are defectual right now.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed May 15, 2019 9:39 am
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