UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[The Huskar Social Union]

The next general election should be interesting.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

First time a party to the right of the Conservatives has surpassed them in the history of polling (20% vs 19%)

Like Melanie Philipps said, perhaps Brexit simply was the expiry date of the Tory party. It's not really conservative anymore and people are looking for something different. There's a great big hole in the area where Thatcher won 44% of the population.

To which poll are you referring?

[Little Tin Hat]

Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 27% (-6)
BREX: 20% (+6)
CON: 19% (-4)
LDEM: 14% (+7)
CHUK: 7% (-2)
GRN: 5% (+2)
UKIP: 3% (-2)
via @ComRes

was this accidentally on purpose CHUKa Umuna or does the bloke have as big an ego as Bliar?

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

First time a party to the right of the Conservatives has surpassed them in the history of polling (20% vs 19%)

Like Melanie Philipps said, perhaps Brexit simply was the expiry date of the Tory party. It's not really conservative anymore and people are looking for something different. There's a great big hole in the area where Thatcher won 44% of the population.

To which poll are you referring?

The one in the post just below yours.

Since the 1990s the Conservatives turned more authoritarian, more globalist, more socially liberal, anti-family and more pro-regulation. Core conservative voters want just the opposite of all that.

They want more privacy and independence in their lives, not less. They don't see themselves responsible for funding other countries with aid at quintuple the GDP% that the US does, they don't see the Tory party as something that protects conservative values especially with feminists like Rudd, they don't protect the nuclear family and enhance ludicrous 50/50 divorce laws and they regulate more and more of the economy except for large business.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

To which poll are you referring?

The one in the post just below yours.

Since the 1990s the Conservatives turned more authoritarian, more globalist, more socially liberal, anti-family and more pro-regulation. Core conservative voters want just the opposite of all that.

They want more privacy and independence in their lives, not less. They don't see themselves responsible for funding other countries with aid at quintuple the GDP% that the US does, they don't see the Tory party as something that protects conservative values especially with feminists like Rudd, they don't protect the nuclear family and enhance ludicrous 50/50 divorce laws and they regulate more and more of the economy except for large business.

There's a Brexit Party now? And it's got more approval than the Conservatives? Wow.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

was this accidentally on purpose CHUKa Umuna or does the bloke have as big an ego as Bliar?

Yes.

[Vassenor]

To which poll are you referring?

The one in the post just below yours.

Since the 1990s the Conservatives turned more authoritarian, more globalist, more socially liberal, anti-family and more pro-regulation. Core conservative voters want just the opposite of all that.

They want more privacy and independence in their lives, not less. They don't see themselves responsible for funding other countries with aid at quintuple the GDP% that the US does, they don't see the Tory party as something that protects conservative values especially with feminists like Rudd, they don't protect the nuclear family and enhance ludicrous 50/50 divorce laws and they regulate more and more of the economy except for large business.

How are we defining "anti-family" today?

[Philjia]

The one in the post just below yours.

Since the 1990s the Conservatives turned more authoritarian, more globalist, more socially liberal, anti-family and more pro-regulation. Core conservative voters want just the opposite of all that.

They want more privacy and independence in their lives, not less. They don't see themselves responsible for funding other countries with aid at quintuple the GDP% that the US does, they don't see the Tory party as something that protects conservative values especially with feminists like Rudd, they don't protect the nuclear family and enhance ludicrous 50/50 divorce laws and they regulate more and more of the economy except for large business.

How are we defining "anti-family" today?

Anti traditional family, presumably. He's wrong about the time frame though, it started with Thatcher, and came in the form of a new culture encouraging women to also enter the workforce. This was undoubtedly beneficial for thousands of women who were able to achieve financial independence. However, the inevitable downsides of dramatically increasing the workforce, such as depressed wages, mean that a household with two working parents isn't a choice in the same way it used to be.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

To which poll are you referring?

The one in the post just below yours.

Since the 1990s the Conservatives turned more authoritarian, more globalist, more socially liberal, anti-family and more pro-regulation. Core conservative voters want just the opposite of all that.

They want more privacy and independence in their lives, not less. They don't see themselves responsible for funding other countries with aid at quintuple the GDP% that the US does, they don't see the Tory party as something that protects conservative values especially with feminists like Rudd, they don't protect the nuclear family and enhance ludicrous 50/50 divorce laws and they regulate more and more of the economy except for large business.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know how divorce works.

[Souseiseki]

was this accidentally on purpose CHUKa Umuna or does the bloke have as big an ego as Bliar?

the party is called Change UK. under normal circumstances such a party would be called CUK. pollsters and commentators have taken to calling it CHUK or UKC in order to avoid referring to it as CUK. and yes, it's for exactly the reason you think it is. this is not a joke. welcome to british politics.

[Philjia]

was this accidentally on purpose CHUKa Umuna or does the bloke have as big an ego as Bliar?

the party is called Change UK. under normal circumstances such a party would be called CUK. pollsters and commentators have taken to calling it CHUK or UKC in order to avoid referring to it as CUK. and yes, it's for exactly the reason you think it is. this is not a joke. welcome to british politics.

Should have called themselves Forward UK.

[The Huskar Social Union]

was this accidentally on purpose CHUKa Umuna or does the bloke have as big an ego as Bliar?

the party is called Change UK. under normal circumstances such a party would be called CUK. pollsters and commentators have taken to calling it CHUK or UKC in order to avoid referring to it as CUK. and yes, it's for exactly the reason you think it is. this is not a joke. welcome to british politics.

You brits what are you like


your decisions effect me


Fuck.

[Philjia]

the party is called Change UK. under normal circumstances such a party would be called CUK. pollsters and commentators have taken to calling it CHUK or UKC in order to avoid referring to it as CUK. and yes, it's for exactly the reason you think it is. this is not a joke. welcome to british politics.

You brits what are you like


your decisions effect me


Fuck.

At least you've also got dedicated home grown politicians tirelessly working for a better Northern Ireland.

[Chan Island]

was this accidentally on purpose CHUKa Umuna or does the bloke have as big an ego as Bliar?

the party is called Change UK. under normal circumstances such a party would be called CUK. pollsters and commentators have taken to calling it CHUK or UKC in order to avoid referring to it as CUK. and yes, it's for exactly the reason you think it is. this is not a joke. welcome to british politics.

The really sad part of the whole CHUK business is that now in the next general election, we can't have something utterly magnificent if one of the 11 holds their seat.

CUK - HOLD.

Now it'll just be CHUK - HOLD

Truly we live in the darkest timeline.

[Valrifell]

Before I was all for a Change UK and Liberal-Democrat coalition, but now my dreams of CUK-LD have died.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Before I was all for a Change UK and Liberal-Democrat coalition, but now my dreams of CUK-LD have died.

Can someone get me the lowdown on the UK Lib Dems because I don't know much about them, and they appear to be very different from the Australian Lib Dems.

[Chan Island]

Before I was all for a Change UK and Liberal-Democrat coalition, but now my dreams of CUK-LD have died.

Can someone get me the lowdown on the UK Lib Dems because I don't know much about them, and they appear to be very different from the Australian Lib Dems.

The Liberal Democrats are a socially liberal but economically conservative third party that traditionally has always been the party of protest in the UK (backed in part by taking radical stances on constitutional questions like the electoral system and the house of lords). That status died though when in 2010 they entered a coalition with the Conservative party and during the coalition voted for a rise in university tuition fees (the single biggest promise they had in 2010).

In 2015 they were almost wiped out but have have since been making big gains being the most unapologetically pro-EU party (though that status now is contested with 2 other parties) in the parliament. Currently their leader is Vince Cable, who was the business secretary during the 2010-15 coalition government (though he has announced plans to retire).

[Thermodolia]

Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 27% (-6)
BREX: 20% (+6)
CON: 19% (-4)
LDEM: 14% (+7)
CHUK: 7% (-2)
GRN: 5% (+2)
UKIP: 3% (-2)
via @ComRes

FPTP Projection: Labour majority government

Lab : 330 (+68)
Con : 112 (-206)
LDem : 79 (+67)
SNP : 53 (+18)
BRX : 51 (+51)
PC : 4 (=)
Grn : 2 (+1)
Ind : 1 (+1)

lmao look at this shit

27% of the vote welp guess you run the fucking country now

PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY DEFEND THIS SYSTEM

If the system was PR:
LAB: 176 (-70)
BREX: 130 (+130)
CON: 124 (-189)
LDEM: 91 (+80)
CHUK: 46 (+46)
GRN: 33 (+32)
SNP: 30 (-5)
UKIP: 20 (+22)

Now if I had more polling data, one that includes all parties running I could estimate a bit better.

Under this system a pro-Brexit government is impossible. The only two governments I see are LAB-LDEM-GRN-SNP with 330 or LAB-LDEM-CUK-GRN with 346

[The Huskar Social Union]

You brits what are you like


your decisions effect me


Fuck.

At least you've also got dedicated home grown politicians tirelessly working for a better Northern Ireland.

A better northern ireland


For ussuns, not themuns, because themuns aint ussuns and dont like ussuns and we ussuns dont like themums like because they are themuns so they are like you know what i mean mate? Ussuns are ussuns and themuns aint ussuns.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Can someone get me the lowdown on the UK Lib Dems because I don't know much about them, and they appear to be very different from the Australian Lib Dems.

The Liberal Democrats are a socially liberal but economically conservative third party that traditionally has always been the party of protest in the UK (backed in part by taking radical stances on constitutional questions like the electoral system and the house of lords). That status died though when in 2010 they entered a coalition with the Conservative party and during the coalition voted for a rise in university tuition fees (the single biggest promise they had in 2010).

In 2015 they were almost wiped out but have have since been making big gains being the most unapologetically pro-EU party (though that status now is contested with 2 other parties) in the parliament. Currently their leader is Vince Cable, who was the business secretary during the 2010-15 coalition government (though he has announced plans to retire).

I don't understand. If they're fiscally conservative but socially liberal, why are they the most pro-EU party there is?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I wonder if those poll numbers will encourage some of the ERG to jump ship and join the Brexit Party.

[Phoenicaea]

^ @Xenopolis, i m not British, so it is plausible others entitled to better answer you.

thought, i can say you, historically, brits liberals and radicals have been more sympathethic with having a role in european union, than brits labours and convervatives.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The Liberal Democrats are a socially liberal but economically conservative third party that traditionally has always been the party of protest in the UK (backed in part by taking radical stances on constitutional questions like the electoral system and the house of lords). That status died though when in 2010 they entered a coalition with the Conservative party and during the coalition voted for a rise in university tuition fees (the single biggest promise they had in 2010).

In 2015 they were almost wiped out but have have since been making big gains being the most unapologetically pro-EU party (though that status now is contested with 2 other parties) in the parliament. Currently their leader is Vince Cable, who was the business secretary during the 2010-15 coalition government (though he has announced plans to retire).

I don't understand. If they're fiscally conservative but socially liberal, why are they the most pro-EU party there is?

Because staying in the EU is the best thing for the country economically, and also offers better social protections.

[Ostroeuropa]

the party is called Change UK. under normal circumstances such a party would be called CUK. pollsters and commentators have taken to calling it CHUK or UKC in order to avoid referring to it as CUK. and yes, it's for exactly the reason you think it is. this is not a joke. welcome to british politics.

The really sad part of the whole CHUK business is that now in the next general election, we can't have something utterly magnificent if one of the 11 holds their seat.

CUK - HOLD.

Now it'll just be CHUK - HOLD

Truly we live in the darkest timeline.

CUK - LD
Is just as good.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don't understand. If they're fiscally conservative but socially liberal, why are they the most pro-EU party there is?

Because staying in the EU is the best thing for the country economically, and also offers better social protections.

Social protections? After things like Article 13, I doubt that.