UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Vassenor]

I think it would be better to give him a dignified reprimands and intelligent critique, as opposed to engaging in childish antics that make you look like a foolish hooligan.

Like many other internet memelords who've unaccountably found themselves with a moment of political relevance, he's quite widely known for his inability to engage with any media that doesn't already agree with him without screaming controversy-bait lines and disrupting the format. I'm not sure how the conversation could be controlled unless he's wired (no, not on cocaine this time) and the moderator for the debate can press a button to deliver electric shocks to his testicles to make him shut up and engage with people like a normal fucking human being for longer than three seconds.

You mean like how Shapiro stormed out of a BBC interview earlier today because he was actually asked difficult questions?

[Battlion]

Like many other internet memelords who've unaccountably found themselves with a moment of political relevance, he's quite widely known for his inability to engage with any media that doesn't already agree with him without screaming controversy-bait lines and disrupting the format. I'm not sure how the conversation could be controlled unless he's wired (no, not on cocaine this time) and the moderator for the debate can press a button to deliver electric shocks to his testicles to make him shut up and engage with people like a normal fucking human being for longer than three seconds.

You mean like how Shapiro stormed out of a BBC interview earlier today because he was actually asked difficult questions?

He’s a lil crybaby... reminds me of Alex Jones’ interview too.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Same its stupid.

Like i think Ian Paisley jr is a cunt but i wouldnt throw a fucking sandwich at him.

I'd most likely eat the sandwich and call him a cunt or even more likely not give a fuck about him.

Point and laugh as he walks past. Then find a shortcut to run ahead of him so you can do it again and also make him think he's being haunted.

Excellent Suggestion.


"IM THE GHOST OF YOUR SRI LANKA HOLIDAY! OOOOOOOOOH!"

[Vassenor]

But the BBC said it was "inappropriate to feature political party leaders" during an election period as it did not allow for "equal representation" of political views.

Unless it's Farage, apparently.

[Fartsniffage]

But the BBC said it was "inappropriate to feature political party leaders" during an election period as it did not allow for "equal representation" of political views.

Unless it's Farage, apparently.

They just include him as the joke panelist.

[Galloism]

Petition to ban politicians who ‘promote rape or violence’ draws 60,000 signatures

A petition calling for those who ‘promote rape or violence’ to be banned from standing for election has received over 60,000 signatures. It comes after Ukip candidate Carl Benjamin was found to have written on Twitter in 2016 that he ‘wouldn’t even rape’ Birmingham Yardley MP Jess Phillips. While in a more recent video, posted online April 26, he said he might rape her ‘with enough pressure’, adding: ‘But let’s be honest, nobody’s got that much beer.’ He is standing in the EU elections in the South West region later this month. Fawcett Society CEO Sam Smethers, who set up the petition, told Metro.co.uk she was in ‘disbelief’ after Mr Benjamin remained on the ballot paper, stating that it ‘endorsed and legitimised his conduct’.

She said: ‘Have our politics sunk so low we are inviting people to vote for someone who would happily intimidate women? ‘Jess is high profile figure but she is entitled to dignity and not having to live in fear. It’s absolutely happening to hundreds of thousands of women across the country. ‘It’s now how we want our elected women to be treated. Research shows women are choosing not to stand as a result of abuse. They think, why would I put myself, or my family, through this?

‘It’s damaging our entire democratic system. We see it at hustings, public meetings, canvassing, online. The whole system is being corrupted and undermined. ‘There needs to be proper protection in place that will act as a deterrent. Political candidates have power and a platform and we must make sure they use it responsibly.’ Presently, the law fails to consider the abusive conduct of electoral candidates, and only disqualifies those with a criminal record, on grounds of bankruptcy or corrupt practices. The petition is seeking new legislation, as well as financial penalties for parties who do not deselect politicians who have promoted rape or violence.

Ms Smethers hopes the momentum of the campaign will pile pressure on the government and frontbenchers to act. She added: ‘Rape is an extremely serious crime. It’s all about power and control over women, intimidating and silencing them. Even if someone is using the threat to do that, it’s wrong. ‘But we cannot be naive and think there aren’t people who won’t be influenced and inspired into real-life, horrendous action. We all have a major responsibility to stop that from happening.’

Mrs Phillips previously told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she cried in the street after seeing Mr Benjamin’s comments and felt the ‘enormous weight of years and years of abuse’. His words also prompted a Twitter ‘pile-on’ which left her inundated with threats from other social media users online. She called for the law to include misogyny as a hate crime, adding: ‘I’d been doing what all women do in these situations, putting a brave face on it and pretending I could cope. ‘But for four years this man has made a career out of harassing me. How can someone say they would rape me if forced and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’

Many of the thousands signing the Fawcett Society’s petition, which is aimed at Theresa May, cited the abuse Mrs Phillips’ received as their reason for signing. One wrote: ‘There is no place for violence of any kind in our democratic political environment. I’m doing this for Jess Phillips and every person who has been, or feels threatened.’ While another said: ‘I’m a rape survivor suffering g after 13 years the laws protect the criminal they need changing.. especially after the threat on Jess Phillips.’ Mr Benjamin is now being investigated by the police for his comments about Mrs Phillips.

You can support the petition here.

The line breaks didn't carry through for some reason, but it looks readable enough to me. If it's not, let me know, and I'll manually insert them.

[Souseiseki]

this is one of the things people were talking about with sargon before, how he was fucking with jess phillips, someone with actual power and a record for doing dumb shit. this is the perfect storm. rape, feminism, trolls, hate speech, the wild west internet! we must act! we might actually get a new law because of this prick. well done.

Mrs Phillips previously told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she cried in the street after seeing Mr Benjamin’s comments and felt the ‘enormous weight of years and years of abuse’. His words also prompted a Twitter ‘pile-on’ which left her inundated with threats from other social media users online. She called for the law to include misogyny as a hate crime, adding: ‘I’d been doing what all women do in these situations, putting a brave face on it and pretending I could cope. ‘But for four years this man has made a career out of harassing me. How can someone say they would rape me if forced and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’

jess phillips, effectively, has the entire establishment behind her. she will NEVER understand what it means to be truly alone in this country or feel true fear. every time she makes a statement like this, it is a direct insult to the people whom she has forced to the brink with the nonsense laws she has helped push.

She said: ‘Have our politics sunk so low we are inviting people to vote for someone who would happily intimidate women? ‘Jess is high profile figure but she is entitled to dignity and not having to live in fear. It’s absolutely happening to hundreds of thousands of women across the country. ‘It’s now how we want our elected women to be treated. Research shows women are choosing not to stand as a result of abuse. They think, why would I put myself, or my family, through this?

same goes for this person. they don't get it. the fact that you are even able to speak out about how you feel you cannot speak out because you know you will receive overwhelming support from wider society makes you infinitely more privileged than those that legitimately have no voice. and since these kinds of people are the exact kind of people that helped rob said people of their voice, it gets pretty fucking rich when they say shit like this.

[Hydesland]

Yeah, there are loads of reasons to think Sargon is an incompetent and mendacious clown, we could have focused on so many different things instead of this pointless self serving moral panic - this kind of bullshit is why people like him get popular in the first place.

[Phoenicaea]

about eu elections.. it is plausible uk seats would aid in keeping out the so called 'center-right' (business tycoons-nationalists) populist majority. uk and spain.

because neither May's or Farage's parties are affiliated with that parties, so as a paradox, they would aid the eu in keeping that scum out, in the margin.

the eu commission would send a gift for uk, i suppose, which is nice, perhaps all will come more smoothly after. Barnier is supposed to be possible chairman of commission.

i wrote here because i noticed it wasn t mentioned.

[Caracasus]

I could get behind banning politicians who avocate violence if we get to extend it to the ones who call for bombing whatever country is on America's shit list or selling surveilance equipment and bombs to the Saudis.

Somehow I doubt that's what is being proposed here.

[Ifreann]

Ballymurphy inquest: Part of the skull of Henry Thornton was kept and used as an ashtray by one of the paras who shot him.

Fulfilling their duty in a dignified and appropriate way.

[Ostroeuropa]

this is one of the things people were talking about with sargon before, how he was fucking with jess phillips, someone with actual power and a record for doing dumb shit. this is the perfect storm. rape, feminism, trolls, hate speech, the wild west internet! we must act! we might actually get a new law because of this prick. well done.

Mrs Phillips previously told the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire that she cried in the street after seeing Mr Benjamin’s comments and felt the ‘enormous weight of years and years of abuse’. His words also prompted a Twitter ‘pile-on’ which left her inundated with threats from other social media users online. She called for the law to include misogyny as a hate crime, adding: ‘I’d been doing what all women do in these situations, putting a brave face on it and pretending I could cope. ‘But for four years this man has made a career out of harassing me. How can someone say they would rape me if forced and be a legitimate candidate in an election?’

jess phillips, effectively, has the entire establishment behind her. she will NEVER understand what it means to be truly alone in this country or feel true fear. every time she makes a statement like this, it is a direct insult to the people whom she has forced to the brink with the nonsense laws she has helped push.

She said: ‘Have our politics sunk so low we are inviting people to vote for someone who would happily intimidate women? ‘Jess is high profile figure but she is entitled to dignity and not having to live in fear. It’s absolutely happening to hundreds of thousands of women across the country. ‘It’s now how we want our elected women to be treated. Research shows women are choosing not to stand as a result of abuse. They think, why would I put myself, or my family, through this?

same goes for this person. they don't get it. the fact that you are even able to speak out about how you feel you cannot speak out because you know you will receive overwhelming support from wider society makes you infinitely more privileged than those that legitimately have no voice. and since these kinds of people are the exact kind of people that helped rob said people of their voice, it gets pretty fucking rich when they say shit like this.

Reminder that men receive more online abuse than women.

Also reminder of how these types have already twisted words prior and made excuses prior.

Your mistake is not recognizing them for what they are, supremacists hiding behind coded language, much like the alt-right. The observations you have made are not beyond their mental capacity to realize. You should also note how this was entirely predictable from how they badgered him over his comments.

The law already prevents and punishes threats of violence. They're deliberately pretending this was a threat AND that the law doesn't already ban threats, even though the law disagrees so they can now punish things they perceive as being threats, and we've seen how that immediately leads to nonsense from this pack of supremacists before.

They're twist words to how threatening men doesn't count because patriarchy and so on, with no objective standard of judgement to evaluate cases, just ideology. Same as they have on other stuff.

It's basically a call to ban anyone they don't like from running for office, or they'll rationalize some way he is promoting rape or violence against women, present their rationalizations as objective fact, and then scream it from all their pulpits. If you doubt it, consider this;

They're already pretending that what Sargon said is a threat. They are absolutely willing to act in bad faith here. Remember this movement also perceives misogyny in general as promoting violence against women. Does anyone honestly think they won't roll with that the same way they have on other things to tear down people they dislike?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ballymurphy inquest: Part of the skull of Henry Thornton was kept and used as an ashtray by one of the paras who shot him.

Fulfilling their duty in a dignified and appropriate way.

Paras gona para, bunch of scumbags so wouldnt put it past them.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I keep seeing vox pops on the BBC, with people who voted for Brexit, but are so disgusted that it hasn't happened, that they aren't going to vote in the European elections. Excellent.

[Ostroeuropa]

Another 40 grooming gang rapists arrested in Rotherham. That's 0.5% of the Muslim population of the town of Rotherham arrested in just one operation, and around 1% of the male population.

In one grooming gang of many.

Put into perspective it might help people understand why police were concerned people would call them racist. If you up and decide to arrest like, 5% of a minority population, that comes across pretty badly unless you understand that the minority has a cultural problem and we aren't dealing with it, but tolerating it and dealing with the after effects.

The USA is by far and away the nation with the highest incarceration rate...

At 716 per 100,000 people.

To put that in perspective, if the Muslims of Rotherham were an independent nation, just this one operation to crack down on one gang would mean an equivalent incarceration rate, often for 10 or 20 year sentences rather than including all sentence lengths.

If the current suspects are the extent of it (And it's not likely, because the list of suspects and arrests keeps growing as the extent of the problem is understood), then 5% of the Rotherham Muslim population will be arrested, an incarceration rate almost nine times that of the USA.

I remind you, the US incarceration rate is for the most punitive nation in the world, with a wide range of crimes, an open and acknowledged hostility to black people, and often jailing people for long periods for absolute nonsense. And yet, an adequate crackdown for actual crimes and great harm done to others in Rotherham far exceeds their results by such a large margin its not even funny.

The scale we are talking about here makes it clear this Is a cultural problem. And, by the way, it's not just Rotherham. Grooming gangs are all over the place now.

Another striking example of the cultural problem was cologne and the mass rape attacks there, totalling thousands of victims.

Ask yourself this;

You're in a crowd of people, and a man begins raping someone. How many men in the crowd do you expect to see that as an opportunity to start raping too?

Apparently hundreds. Notably though, none of the Ethnic Germans started doing it. Must just be a statistical quirk, right?

[Loben The 2nd]

Watch out ostro, you might get dinged for hate speech.

[Vassenor]

...Interestingly I can't find anything being reported anywhere about the identities of the people arrested. So where are you getting this idea that the current crop are all Muslims from?

In actually relevant news, Labour is adding a push to bring the minimum wage for under-18 year olds into line with the minimum wage for adults to their general plans to reform it.

I mean, I don't see why there was a separate MW for u18s anyway. For the most part, in the jobs where they can be legally employed they're doing the same work as legal adults.

[Ifreann]

...Interestingly I can't find anything being reported anywhere about the identities of the people arrested. So where are you getting this idea that the current crop are all Muslims from?

In actually relevant news, Labour is adding a push to bring the minimum wage for under-18 year olds into line with the minimum wage for adults to their general plans to reform it.

I mean, I don't see why there was a separate MW for u18s anyway. For the most part, in the jobs where they can be legally employed they're doing the same work as legal adults.

Equal pay for equal work? Sounds like dangerous socialism to me.

[Philjia]

Another 40 grooming gang rapists arrested in Rotherham. That's 0.5% of the Muslim population of the town of Rotherham arrested in just one operation, and around 1% of the male population.

This would be shocking if not for the inconvenient fact that Ostro is once again making gross exaggerations and unsubstantiated assumptions in an attempt to push an anti-Islam narrative, which isn't shocking in the slightest.

[Fartsniffage]

Another 40 grooming gang rapists arrested in Rotherham. That's 0.5% of the Muslim population of the town of Rotherham arrested in just one operation, and around 1% of the male population.

This would be shocking if not for the inconvenient fact that Ostro is once again making gross exaggerations and unsubstantiated assumptions in an attempt to push an anti-Islam narrative, which isn't shocking in the slightest.

The National Crime Agency said the people arrested are aged between 29 and 53 and are from Sheffield, Rotherham, Leeds, Dewsbury, and Maidstone in Kent.

Case in point...

[Ostroeuropa]

This would be shocking if not for the inconvenient fact that Ostro is once again making gross exaggerations and unsubstantiated assumptions in an attempt to push an anti-Islam narrative, which isn't shocking in the slightest.

The National Crime Agency said the people arrested are aged between 29 and 53 and are from Sheffield, Rotherham, Leeds, Dewsbury, and Maidstone in Kent.

Case in point...

You know what, you're right. The BBC is reporting it better, albeit still with the ROTHERHAM title. Other sources are neglecting to mention the wide net for these arrests.

[Fartsniffage]

Case in point...

You know what, you're right. The BBC is reporting it better, albeit still with the ROTHERHAM title. Other sources are neglecting to mention the wide net for these arrests.

I actually got that quote from the Daily Mail, so god knows where you read it first...

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I read it as being about offences committed in Rotherham; so although the arrests were made in other areas as well the people had presumably moved to those places from Rotherham.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Interesting that Labour are polling second in the European elections according to a poll for the Observer. They are behind the Brexit Party, with the Lib Dems in third place and the Tories fourth. Odd that voters punished Labour in the local elections but are apparently not in the European elections.

[Ifreann]

Interesting that Labour are polling second in the European elections according to a poll for the Observer. They are behind the Brexit Party, with the Lib Dems in third place and the Tories fourth. Odd that voters punished Labour in the local elections but are apparently not in the European elections.

No brakes on the LIB DEM SURGE.