UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Kowani]

The fact that there’s a conversation going on about whether it’s acceptable to joke about rape is seriously alarming to me.

There is such a thing as a good rape joke.

The fact that I’m not the one saying this alarms me.

[Liriena]

Ostro, I don't see why you would go out of your way to defend a shitty person, when you could just as easily create your own faction that opposes both Sargonist idiocy and radical, anti-male feminism. Just because you both agree open something doesn't mean you have to defend their bullshit. I don't defend Nazis simply because we both hate Stalin.

And as I said in another post: Ostro seems to be working under the assumption that Sargon's anti-feminist worldview is similar to his own, which it probably isn't. For one, Ostro's anti-feminism, as far as I can tell, isn't held afloat by a gross overestimation of his own competence, a terminal lack of curiosity and an obstinate inability to read properly.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The fact that there’s a conversation going on about whether it’s acceptable to joke about rape is seriously alarming to me.

There is such a thing as a good rape joke. Telling someone "I wouldn't even rape you", followed years later by "actually I would lmao" ain't it.

Tbf, "These mainstream media outlets getting mad at me for saying I wouldn't rape someone, so I'm gonna retract my statement and say I would rape them." Is at least a little chuckleworthy, if in very poor taste.

[Liriena]

There is such a thing as a good rape joke. Telling someone "I wouldn't even rape you", followed years later by "actually I would lmao" ain't it.

Tbf, "These mainstream media outlets getting mad at me for saying I wouldn't rape someone, so I'm gonna retract my statement and say I would rape them." Is at least a little chuckleworthy, if in very poor taste.

It's funny in the same way a 12-year-old begging for boob pics and then calling the girl a whore for refusing is funny.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Have I got this right? The government is going to pay for replacing dangerous cladding on privately owned tower blocks, but is refusing to give local authorities any help to do so on publicly owned ones?

[Hirota]

The fact that there’s a conversation going on about whether it’s acceptable to joke about rape is seriously alarming to me.

It’s a standard refrain that the secret to good comedy is....



...timing, but that only really holds partially true. I believe personally the secret to good comedy is context, and because there are people who will not be “in the loop,” its impossible for everyone to get the joke and/or think it’s funny. This is why certain jokes miss the mark or are offensive to some people.

But what is really important here is not really the joke itself - I don’t find it funny personally, but also I don’t find it sincere, so I understand it is intended as a joke. It’s how the joke is reacted to that is important.

Take the example dumb ideologies pointed our earlier of Valk having a reaction to Autism being used as a joke or throwaway phrase. Valk was probably irritated, but didn’t report it to the mods, or call for the person to be excluded from the sphere of political debate, or call for the person to be investigated by law enforcement.

Take the example of killallmen, the hashtag that does the rounds every so often. If taken at face value without accepting it is at least intended as a joke, this means that feminists want to commit genocide, and should be mass incarcerated for planning such a criminal act. But, whilst I personally don’t think it’s funny, I personally don’t believe that this is true, and personally believe it is at least intended as a joke.

Does anyone genuinely believe Jess Philips is taking the threat seriously that Carl Benjamin might rape her? Cos if she looks at the numbers she should be taking the threat more seriously from her friends and family. The stat that most victims of rape know their rapist is a well cited one on here. Therefore, if Jess Philips is sincere in her fear, she should immediately direct security services to conduct background checks into her friends and family for the slighest hint of rapey inclinations, like the heinous crime of laughing at bum jokes or something.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Have I got this right? The government is going to pay for replacing dangerous cladding on privately owned tower blocks, but is refusing to give local authorities any help to do so on publicly owned ones?

Yeah, that's right. Sensible isn't it?

[Ifreann]

Have I got this right? The government is going to pay for replacing dangerous cladding on privately owned tower blocks, but is refusing to give local authorities any help to do so on publicly owned ones?

How very Tory.

[Philjia]

Danny Bakers been fired by the BBC for making a joke on Twitter comparing the royal baby to a chimp. He says it was meant to be a circus animal-media circus thing, which sounds much more likely to me tbh. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Danny Bakers been fired by the BBC for making a joke on Twitter comparing the royal baby to a chimp. He says it was meant to be a circus animal-media circus thing, which sounds much more likely to me tbh. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693

Doesn't seem to be much of a process on the bbc's part, this all happened very quickly.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Have I got this right? The government is going to pay for replacing dangerous cladding on privately owned tower blocks, but is refusing to give local authorities any help to do so on publicly owned ones?

Tory's gona tory

[Vassenor]

Danny Bakers been fired by the BBC for making a joke on Twitter comparing the royal baby to a chimp. He says it was meant to be a circus animal-media circus thing, which sounds much more likely to me tbh. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693

Plus the Beeb doesn't really have an issue with open racism given the content some of their talking heads and QT panelists spout.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Ostro, I don't see why you would go out of your way to defend a shitty person, when you could just as easily create your own faction that opposes both Sargonist idiocy and radical, anti-male feminism. Just because you both agree open something doesn't mean you have to defend their bullshit. I don't defend Nazis simply because we both hate Stalin.

And as I said in another post: Ostro seems to be working under the assumption that Sargon's anti-feminist worldview is similar to his own, which it probably isn't. For one, Ostro's anti-feminism, as far as I can tell, isn't held afloat by a gross overestimation of his own competence, a terminal lack of curiosity and an obstinate inability to read properly.

Indeed, if someone like Sargon ever took power, people like Ostro would be in trouble.

[Battlion]

Labour have launched their EU Manifesto - I don’t understand this confusion about whether Labour is pro or anti Brexit, their membership may be anti... but the official position is firmly in the Pro camp.

[Hirota]

Labour have launched their EU Manifesto - I don’t understand this confusion about whether Labour is pro or anti Brexit, their membership may be anti... but the official position is firmly in the Pro camp.

Oh, I've been saying this for months now. Corbyns euroskeptic credentials are beyond doubt. Why momentum keeps thinking Labour will save them from Brexit with him in charge is beyond me.

[Vassenor]

So it turns out that immigration doesn't harm wages after all, but the Government doesn't want people to know that.

Nine times, in fact.

[Dumb Ideologies]

So it turns out that immigration doesn't harm wages after all, but the Government doesn't want people to know that.

Nine times, in fact.

"Vince Cable has alleged" seems like an important part to omit from the story. Also important to note is that research has shown starting wages *have* risen in certain sectors due to a decrease in EU applicants, at which point our liberal-left newspapers immediately became cod-Thatcherites, advocates for hyper-competitive low wage capitalism as the only model in town.

It attracted quite some scorn at the time from the harder left. Not sure if the Indy has a short memory or just wants to forget.

Schrodinger's immigrant: his presence has no effect on wages and yet his absence simultaneously forces them up.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

There is such a thing as a good rape joke. Telling someone "I wouldn't even rape you", followed years later by "actually I would lmao" ain't it.

Tbf, "These mainstream media outlets getting mad at me for saying I wouldn't rape someone, so I'm gonna retract my statement and say I would rape them." Is at least a little chuckleworthy, if in very poor taste.

When you put it like that, it kind of is, but I don't think that's how it was intended. I'm not a telepath, though, so I don't know what his thought process actually was.

[Hirota]

So it turns out that immigration doesn't harm wages after all, but the Government doesn't want people to know that.

Nine times, in fact.

"Vince Cable has alleged" seems like an important part to omit from the story.

You mean to say that Vass has posted something misleading? I'm sure that is absolutely and completely by accident and I'm sure as soon as they notice this "honest mistake" they will correct it post haste!

Alas, whilst some studies might have been suppressed according to an increasingly doddery and irrelevant old geezer, there are studies out there, and they do not paint as clear a picture. Full fact has a very interesting piece on it, that suggests the evidence points towards immigration leading to "significant impacts along the wage distribution - low-waged workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain," whilst also observing that the average impact for the whole is close to nil.

It's almost as if the people who voted for brexit - lower waged workers (traditional former labour voters even) were voting for something that might help them. Whilst the posh eliteists - the ones complaining most bitterly and vocally in their newspaper op eds and MP's salaries - are complaining about something that might prevent them reaching the 45% income tax bracket post brexit. Boo hoo to them I'm sure.

[Hirota]

Tbf, "These mainstream media outlets getting mad at me for saying I wouldn't rape someone, so I'm gonna retract my statement and say I would rape them." Is at least a little chuckleworthy, if in very poor taste.

When you put it like that, it kind of is, but I don't think that's how it was intended. I'm not a telepath, though, so I don't know what his thought process actually was.

I actually went looking for the context. It's been taken down from youtube, but it's up on edgelord haven bitchute. This particular one is at the 2:30 mark, but watching the rest of the video made me certain it was an attempt at humour.

I've found out why Liri dislikes him so much though. Carl is Liri's evil twin confirmed.

[Ostroeuropa]

Tbf, "These mainstream media outlets getting mad at me for saying I wouldn't rape someone, so I'm gonna retract my statement and say I would rape them." Is at least a little chuckleworthy, if in very poor taste.

When you put it like that, it kind of is, but I don't think that's how it was intended. I'm not a telepath, though, so I don't know what his thought process actually was.

That was literally his intention, because the joke is;

"I've gotten a lot of pressure and backlash over my firm stance against raping Jess Phillips, apparently that makes a lot of people in the media angry, so if they keep it up I suppose i'll have to reconsider my position, but let's be honest nobody has that much beer."

[Ostroeuropa]

So it turns out that immigration doesn't harm wages after all, but the Government doesn't want people to know that.

Nine times, in fact.

"Vince Cable has alleged" seems like an important part to omit from the story. Also important to note is that research has shown starting wages *have* risen in certain sectors due to a decrease in EU applicants, at which point our liberal-left newspapers immediately became cod-Thatcherites, advocates for hyper-competitive low wage capitalism as the only model in town.

It attracted quite some scorn at the time from the harder left. Not sure if the Indy has a short memory or just wants to forget.

Schrodinger's immigrant: his presence has no effect on wages and yet his absence simultaneously forces them up.

Immigration obviously drives down wages, it's ridiculous that people could argue otherwise.

[Dumb Ideologies]

"Vince Cable has alleged" seems like an important part to omit from the story. Also important to note is that research has shown starting wages *have* risen in certain sectors due to a decrease in EU applicants, at which point our liberal-left newspapers immediately became cod-Thatcherites, advocates for hyper-competitive low wage capitalism as the only model in town.

It attracted quite some scorn at the time from the harder left. Not sure if the Indy has a short memory or just wants to forget.

Schrodinger's immigrant: his presence has no effect on wages and yet his absence simultaneously forces them up.

Immigration obviously drives down wages, it's ridiculous that people could argue otherwise.

What Hirota posted makes sense; it drives up managers and especially executives' wages as they and the shareholders divvy up the money saved at the lower end. And then the average figure magically doesn't look so bad. Such a clever plan-scheme, yes yes!

[Ifreann]

"Vince Cable has alleged" seems like an important part to omit from the story. Also important to note is that research has shown starting wages *have* risen in certain sectors due to a decrease in EU applicants, at which point our liberal-left newspapers immediately became cod-Thatcherites, advocates for hyper-competitive low wage capitalism as the only model in town.

It attracted quite some scorn at the time from the harder left. Not sure if the Indy has a short memory or just wants to forget.

Schrodinger's immigrant: his presence has no effect on wages and yet his absence simultaneously forces them up.

Immigration obviously drives down wages, it's ridiculous that people could argue otherwise.

Employers drive down wages. The problem is them, not immigration.

[Vassenor]

"Vince Cable has alleged" seems like an important part to omit from the story. Also important to note is that research has shown starting wages *have* risen in certain sectors due to a decrease in EU applicants, at which point our liberal-left newspapers immediately became cod-Thatcherites, advocates for hyper-competitive low wage capitalism as the only model in town.

It attracted quite some scorn at the time from the harder left. Not sure if the Indy has a short memory or just wants to forget.

Schrodinger's immigrant: his presence has no effect on wages and yet his absence simultaneously forces them up.

Immigration obviously drives down wages, it's ridiculous that people could argue otherwise.

Let's see your data demonstrating an actual causal link between immigration and wage depression then.