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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 04, 2019 9:55 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Juristonia wrote:It's a little impressive how "This is where we stand, and that is not going to change" is still so open to interpretation, even after well over two years of repeating it.


"This is where we stand. We will not move from this position."

"Ah, you say that you will not move from that position, but from which perspective do you judge this position? You seem to be standing still, but in reality, you are moving through space at breakneck speeds on a big rock! So much for the tolerant left."

"..."

"Dammit, I warned you about these Englishmen!"

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat May 04, 2019 10:01 am

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Bears Armed wrote:Isn't there a legal time-limit on that, just as there is for any other political elections in the UK?!?


the UK is a complere memeland. i would not be surprised in the slightest if there was no limit whatsoever.

e: it seems like the time limit is for how long a specific parliament lasts. doesn't seem to be anything in there about how long you can go without a parliament. lol.


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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 04, 2019 10:04 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:If they don't vote for it, completely remove northern Ireland from UK infrastructure, no government funding and any resources that they rely on the UK to provide cut.


you realize that this is probably illegal, rather immoral and will probably start some kind of conflict

like you sound like a fucking super villain

Or someone who hasnt got a fucking clue but eh, thats the norm on this forum with my home.

Prime example is literally this entire thread.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 04, 2019 10:16 am

That cunt Jolene Bunting lost her seat! Ahahah get fucked you bigoted bitch.

And in other good news, i am delighted that Alliance has done soo well this election all chuffed so i am even if the DUP and Sinn Fein didnt take the hits i hoped they might have. Im also happy about PBP doing well too.

In my home district in belfast People Before Profit have 1 seat, Sinn Fein have 2. 4 more are up for grabs, i'd say either 3 or all of them will go to Sinn Fein. I'd be over the moon if the SDLP or Alliance grabbed a seat, or in the formers case, keeping their seat.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat May 04, 2019 10:35 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:That cunt Jolene Bunting lost her seat! Ahahah get fucked you bigoted bitch.

And in other good news, i am delighted that Alliance has done soo well this election all chuffed so i am even if the DUP and Sinn Fein didnt take the hits i hoped they might have. Im also happy about PBP doing well too.

In my home district in belfast People Before Profit have 1 seat, Sinn Fein have 2. 4 more are up for grabs, i'd say either 3 or all of them will go to Sinn Fein. I'd be over the moon if the SDLP or Alliance grabbed a seat, or in the formers case, keeping their seat.


Who is that? I've never heard of her. What is her claim to fame?
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Postby Philjia » Sat May 04, 2019 10:37 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:That cunt Jolene Bunting lost her seat! Ahahah get fucked you bigoted bitch.

She was banned from standing, apparently. https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belf ... r3z-addoor
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:That cunt Jolene Bunting lost her seat! Ahahah get fucked you bigoted bitch.

And in other good news, i am delighted that Alliance has done soo well this election all chuffed so i am even if the DUP and Sinn Fein didnt take the hits i hoped they might have. Im also happy about PBP doing well too.

In my home district in belfast People Before Profit have 1 seat, Sinn Fein have 2. 4 more are up for grabs, i'd say either 3 or all of them will go to Sinn Fein. I'd be over the moon if the SDLP or Alliance grabbed a seat, or in the formers case, keeping their seat.


Who is that? I've never heard of her. What is her claim to fame?

Being kicked out of Traditional Unionist Voice for being too racist.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 04, 2019 10:40 am

Philjia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:That cunt Jolene Bunting lost her seat! Ahahah get fucked you bigoted bitch.

She was banned from standing, apparently. https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belf ... r3z-addoor
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Who is that? I've never heard of her. What is her claim to fame?

Being kicked out of Traditional Unionist Voice for being too racist.

Saw the voting tally board, her name was on it. Got 350 votes in first preference, then another 20-25 preference votes in the second round of voting.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 04, 2019 10:41 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:That cunt Jolene Bunting lost her seat! Ahahah get fucked you bigoted bitch.

And in other good news, i am delighted that Alliance has done soo well this election all chuffed so i am even if the DUP and Sinn Fein didnt take the hits i hoped they might have. Im also happy about PBP doing well too.

In my home district in belfast People Before Profit have 1 seat, Sinn Fein have 2. 4 more are up for grabs, i'd say either 3 or all of them will go to Sinn Fein. I'd be over the moon if the SDLP or Alliance grabbed a seat, or in the formers case, keeping their seat.


Who is that? I've never heard of her. What is her claim to fame?

Being a bigoted and moronic cunt who got suspended as councillor for being well a bigoted and moronic cunt, too much of one for the TUV.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat May 04, 2019 10:55 am

Souseiseki wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
In the worst form it exists in a no deal. If Parliment as a whole had swallowed the bile and said it's free trade deal time something like that would have happened. Last Autum the EU made sounds that something similar to the recent Canadian trade deal could work. The alternative exits most certainly the problem is the number of politicians who will do everything not to actually leave properly.


free trade deal cannot happen without a solution to the northern ireland problem

do you have such a solution?


You could have a common trade area similar to the common travel area we already share. You could operate customs on a similar basis to VAT. Probably a couple others I can't recall off the top of my head involving technological solutions.

You don't need a backstop for that. The backstop seems to be designed to enable the EU to dictate whatever they want after that is signed. Given how they won't pre agree the rights of nationals ( which incidentally is fairly funny given the grief May got for holding out on that as long as she did) I have no reason to expect given the whip hand they would be any different with ending the backstop without most of what they wanted.

To be honest to get a deal done in good time I think you need both sides to have a bit of risk.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat May 04, 2019 11:01 am

Philjia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:That cunt Jolene Bunting lost her seat! Ahahah get fucked you bigoted bitch.

She was banned from standing, apparently. https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belf ... r3z-addoor
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Who is that? I've never heard of her. What is her claim to fame?

Being kicked out of Traditional Unionist Voice for being too racist.


Well she seems charming..... :lol:
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 04, 2019 11:04 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
free trade deal cannot happen without a solution to the northern ireland problem

do you have such a solution?


You could have a common trade area similar to the common travel area we already share. You could operate customs on a similar basis to VAT. Probably a couple others I can't recall off the top of my head involving technological solutions.

You don't need a backstop for that. The backstop seems to be designed to enable the EU to dictate whatever they want after that is signed. Given how they won't pre agree the rights of nationals ( which incidentally is fairly funny given the grief May got for holding out on that as long as she did) I have no reason to expect given the whip hand they would be any different with ending the backstop without most of what they wanted.

To be honest to get a deal done in good time I think you need both sides to have a bit of risk.

My dream in life is to one day learn just what in the fuck is meant by "technological solutions".
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat May 04, 2019 11:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
You could have a common trade area similar to the common travel area we already share. You could operate customs on a similar basis to VAT. Probably a couple others I can't recall off the top of my head involving technological solutions.

You don't need a backstop for that. The backstop seems to be designed to enable the EU to dictate whatever they want after that is signed. Given how they won't pre agree the rights of nationals ( which incidentally is fairly funny given the grief May got for holding out on that as long as she did) I have no reason to expect given the whip hand they would be any different with ending the backstop without most of what they wanted.

To be honest to get a deal done in good time I think you need both sides to have a bit of risk.

My dream in life is to one day learn just what in the fuck is meant by "technological solutions".


One day, we'll have a technical solution to that problem.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat May 04, 2019 11:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
You could have a common trade area similar to the common travel area we already share. You could operate customs on a similar basis to VAT. Probably a couple others I can't recall off the top of my head involving technological solutions.

You don't need a backstop for that. The backstop seems to be designed to enable the EU to dictate whatever they want after that is signed. Given how they won't pre agree the rights of nationals ( which incidentally is fairly funny given the grief May got for holding out on that as long as she did) I have no reason to expect given the whip hand they would be any different with ending the backstop without most of what they wanted.

To be honest to get a deal done in good time I think you need both sides to have a bit of risk.

My dream in life is to one day learn just what in the fuck is meant by "technological solutions".


I think it involves a typewriter.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 04, 2019 11:10 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ifreann wrote:My dream in life is to one day learn just what in the fuck is meant by "technological solutions".


I think it involves a typewriter.

Type Writers at every border check point


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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat May 04, 2019 11:13 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ifreann wrote:My dream in life is to one day learn just what in the fuck is meant by "technological solutions".


I think it involves a typewriter.


This all seems unduly modern.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 04, 2019 11:16 am

Matt Collins from PBP topped the polls in my home area:

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Thats neat

I doubt Alliance's Liam is gona get a seat, only 213 first preference votes including myself, the other 4 seats are bound to go to Sinn Fein, maybe SDLP's Doherty can get a seat if he gets enough cross votes.

So my vote is gona go from Alliance to Greens, then to the SDLP since PBP was my second preference.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat May 04, 2019 11:17 am

Another possible solution would be to set NI up as a special economic zone with ridiculously low corporate tax rates, no regulations and a ruling council composed of the NI heads of the major companies that move there.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat May 04, 2019 11:19 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Another possible solution would be to set NI up as a special economic zone with ridiculously low corporate tax rates, no regulations and a ruling council composed of the NI heads of the major companies that move there.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 04, 2019 11:21 am

Should have told the DUP to fuck off and put a sea border in place but that would require the Tories having a spine.
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The quote or twitter as a medium? :p
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Postby Novus America » Sat May 04, 2019 12:01 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Another possible solution would be to set NI up as a special economic zone with ridiculously low corporate tax rates, no regulations and a ruling council composed of the NI heads of the major companies that move there.


Or they could just join the rest of Ireland which basically did that already. :(
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Postby Battlion » Sat May 04, 2019 12:11 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:


The quote or twitter as a medium? :p


Both

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 04, 2019 12:20 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Another possible solution would be to set NI up as a special economic zone with ridiculously low corporate tax rates, no regulations and a ruling council composed of the NI heads of the major companies that move there.

Where by "possible solution" you mean "impossible nonsense idea".
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Another possible solution would be to set NI up as a special economic zone with ridiculously low corporate tax rates, no regulations and a ruling council composed of the NI heads of the major companies that move there.

How would this solve the inevitable disagreements with AR15's and RPG-7's that the Catholics and Protestants of that area will host?
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