UK Politics Thread IX: The Masses Against the Classes

[Duhon]

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#oof

God Save the Queen !

[Vassenor]

And we're on course to pass the -1200 mark.

EDIT: Which happened while I was posting that. Huh.

[Duhon]

If Labour also loses seats that'll be their message. They'll say it's about both parties and therefore nothing she can do about it.

This is fair
This is accurate
Blood for bloody Margey

[Duhon]

And we're on course to pass the -1200 mark.

EDIT: Which happened while I was posting that. Huh.

... deep.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

If Labour also loses seats that'll be their message. They'll say it's about both parties and therefore nothing she can do about it.

"Jacob Rees Mogg was hiding behind the curtains trying to catch Thatcher's ghost with a hoover" might just be the highlight of my day.

[Vassenor]

"Jacob Rees Mogg was hiding behind the curtains trying to catch Thatcher's ghost with a hoover" might just be the highlight of my day.

...What did Luigi do to deserve being insulted like that?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

"Jacob Rees Mogg was hiding behind the curtains trying to catch Thatcher's ghost with a hoover" might just be the highlight of my day.

...What did Luigi do to deserve being insulted like that?

He was in Smash even though Waluigi deserved the position more than him

[The Nihilistic view]

It's funny lol. But I rather think it's a real life Fararge keeping her up given the latest EU election poll.

[Philjia]

Lib Dems +666, Vince Cable is Satan confirmed.

[Ifreann]

"Jacob Rees Mogg was hiding behind the curtains trying to catch Thatcher's ghost with a hoover" might just be the highlight of my day.

...What did Luigi do to deserve being insulted like that?

Vote Tory.

[Ifreann]

Lib Dems +666, Vince Cable is Satan confirmed.

[Philjia]

...What did Luigi do to deserve being insulted like that?

Vote Tory.

Mario and Luigi are self employed businessmen, close friends of royalty, own racing cars and tracks, and Luigi has a mansion, of course they're Tory voters.

[Battlion]

That awkward moment when the Greens have more councillors in Thanet than UKIP

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you think the process for doubtful ballots is fair?

basically there was one council where a Tory and Independent were tied in number of votes. After this, the prescribed process is to count "Doubtful" papers, votes which don't strictly follow the rules but do indicate a choice of party, following this the Tories were ahead by one vote due to a ballot with the word BREXIT written on it and an arrow pointing to the Conservative candidate.

The seperation of spoiled ballots into "No vote/Illegible" and "Doubtful, counted only in event of Tie" is the thing being disputed here. The independent intends to dispute both the meaning of the ballot and the overall practice, while the Conservative and the returning officer note that this is current practice, though the returning officer did say the independent has an absolute right to dispute the meaning of the ballot under the rules and a court can judge it.

[Bienenhalde]

How does the UK sustain multiple parties in a FPTP system?

A combination of sheer luck, stubbornness and localised parties in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The FPTP system disadvantages third parties, but from what I understand the US has additional electoral laws which were designed to retain two-party oligarchy and disadvantage third parties further, and I suppose the UK does not have anything similar.

[Liriena]

following this the Tories were ahead by one vote due to a ballot with the word BREXIT written on it and an arrow pointing to the Conservative candidate.

[beleaguered sigh] boomers

[Liriena]

The fact that the counting of "doubtful" ballots is a thing that exists solely to save FPTP from its own inherent silliness... 'tis something.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

These results are fun.

Wonder how BXP would do if they stood. We'll see at Euroelections. So far, they're 1st in polls with 11 point lead.

[Philjia]

With 242 of 248 councils reporting, I think it's safe to go over the winners and losers:

Winners:
- The Liberal Democrats - The Clegg years thoroughly behind them, the Lib Dems have come back with a vengeance and taken huge chunks out of the Tories.
- Independents and Residents Associations - The other big winners are a mixture of many policies and ideas, but the main one is an overall dislike of the major political parties and a desire for local government for local people.
- The Greens - We're finally overtaking UKIP and becoming the fourth largest party, with large numbers of new seats taken on new councils. Hopefully this raises our profile a bit.

Losers:
- Conservatives - Losing a whole fifth of all their councillors, the Tories look very weak and wobbly, as the subject of Europe once again pulls the social and fiscal conservative factions apart.
- Labour - While they've not posted the same huge losses as the Tories, being an opposition party who fails to gain in local elections does not paint a picture of a party ready to defeat the Tories.
- UKIP - Their hopes of being a permanent fourth party long gone, UKIP have been all but wiped out. We'll have to wait for the European Elections to see if the Brexit party can take their place.

[Vassenor]

These results are fun.

Wonder how BXP would do if they stood. We'll see at Euroelections. So far, they're 1st in polls with 11 point lead.

After seeing the two main pro-Brexit parties getting slaughtered and the major pro-Remain party surging? Your logic is questionable.

[Philjia]

These results are fun.

Wonder how BXP would do if they stood. We'll see at Euroelections. So far, they're 1st in polls with 11 point lead.

After seeing the two main pro-Brexit parties getting slaughtered and the major pro-Remain party surging? Your logic is questionable.

I suspect, since the Brexit Party aren't running here, a lot of these Independents are Brexit Party proxies.

[Bear Stearns]

How is everyone enjoying this spring weather?

[Ifreann]

How is everyone enjoying this spring LIB DEM SURGE weather?

FTFY

[Ostroeuropa]

These results are fun.

Wonder how BXP would do if they stood. We'll see at Euroelections. So far, they're 1st in polls with 11 point lead.

After seeing the two main pro-Brexit parties getting slaughtered and the major pro-Remain party surging? Your logic is questionable.

By that logic Brexit still won this election, by a larger margin than the referendum.

5500 - Brexit parties
2600 - Remain, assuming all independents are remainers.

Brexit parties lost about 1000 seats, but that doesn't much matter. Still over 2/3rds of seats.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

These results are fun.

Wonder how BXP would do if they stood. We'll see at Euroelections. So far, they're 1st in polls with 11 point lead.

After seeing the two main pro-Brexit parties getting slaughtered and the major pro-Remain party surging? Your logic is questionable.

Independents are surging, most pro-Brexit. In Malton, spoilt ballots came in 1st place. Most of the seats that UKIP lost, they didn't even re-run a candidate.

There was no pro-Brexit party standing in any ward today across England except for the few where UKIP decided to field candidates. I had a choice of Tory (Remain), Labour (Remain), Lib Dem (hard Remain), Green (hard Remain) today. No reason to go out and vote. Hence why probably this area only had a 22% turnout.

Reading this as a pro-Remain win is funny. But hey, we'll wait to see if the polls showing Brexit Party in 1st place with 11 point lead and total pro-Brexit vote at 47% (minus hesitant labour leavers) is true.

So far Labour lost in Sunderland and Bolsover to pro-Brexit proxies. So hey.