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Who is your preferred Conservative Party leadership candidate?

Gove
5
4%
Hunt
11
9%
Javid
5
4%
Johnson
37
31%
Raab
11
9%
Stewart
50
42%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:57 am

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The New California Republic wrote:And easily explains why I had to try repeatedly to get it to work. You'd think that someone in the IT department would have thought "hmm, this might be a very popular petition, perhaps we should allocate more system resources to it?"

Do you seriously expect a Tory government to fund a petition that may put a wrench into the gears of their Brexit plan? I don't think so, but we must get it to work, without all the intermittent crashes if possible, for the future of the Union is at stake here, heck, the British people themselves. I pray that when I wake up on the 29th of March, 2019, that I will receive the news of Article 50 being withdrawn in time and this fiasco ended once and for all. Otherwise, I will lose what little faith I had in British democracy surviving after this mess.

The IT department at Westminster is staffed by public servants who carry out business as best as they can regardless of the political issues at stake. I know, I've worked there. Pipe down with the cynicism.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:02 am

The New California Republic wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:So it is the highest rate of signatures the petition site has ever had to deal with, at times reaching 2,000 signatures a minute.

And easily explains why I had to try repeatedly to get it to work. You'd think that someone in the IT department would have thought "hmm, this might be a very popular petition, perhaps we should allocate more system resources to it?"


Provided their infrastructure is capable of prioritizing a specific petition.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:06 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:And easily explains why I had to try repeatedly to get it to work. You'd think that someone in the IT department would have thought "hmm, this might be a very popular petition, perhaps we should allocate more system resources to it?"


Provided their infrastructure is capable of prioritizing a specific petition.


It's a British government website. I'm amazed it works at all...

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:06 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:And easily explains why I had to try repeatedly to get it to work. You'd think that someone in the IT department would have thought "hmm, this might be a very popular petition, perhaps we should allocate more system resources to it?"


Provided their infrastructure is capable of prioritizing a specific petition.

I think in general the infrastructure for the petitions across the board isn't terribly busy most of the time, so allocating additional resources even to the whole system in its entirety would have been a prudent move, if prioritisation of specific petitions isn't possible.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:09 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Provided their infrastructure is capable of prioritizing a specific petition.


It's a British government website. I'm amazed it works at all...

I have a working typewriter, so I would have just typed a letter as my "signature" and sent it by snail mail if the system hadn't worked at all.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:10 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Provided their infrastructure is capable of prioritizing a specific petition.


It's a British government website. I'm amazed it works at all...

Most of their websites work very well... for the most part.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:21 am

Speaking of the petition. I saw it floating around in some local expat groups here (apparently, we still have British people clinging on desperately). And they'd even gave a postal code/zip code to go along with it so that everybody could vote.

Naturally, I did not sign. But it was interesting to see.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:Speaking of the petition. I saw it floating around in some local expat groups here (apparently, we still have British people clinging on desperately). And they'd even gave a postal code/zip code to go along with it so that everybody could vote.

Naturally, I did not sign. But it was interesting to see.

When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
It's a British government website. I'm amazed it works at all...

I have a working typewriter, so I would have just typed a letter as my "signature" and sent it by snail mail if the system hadn't worked at all.


Glad to hear that you are not unduly modern like some of our MPs.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:27 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Speaking of the petition. I saw it floating around in some local expat groups here (apparently, we still have British people clinging on desperately). And they'd even gave a postal code/zip code to go along with it so that everybody could vote.

Naturally, I did not sign. But it was interesting to see.

When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.


Or a more robust system for allowing UK Citizens living abroad to participate.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:28 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Speaking of the petition. I saw it floating around in some local expat groups here (apparently, we still have British people clinging on desperately). And they'd even gave a postal code/zip code to go along with it so that everybody could vote.

Naturally, I did not sign. But it was interesting to see.

When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.


That would require a lot of extra security then :)

I wonder if it has any bot protection.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:29 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Speaking of the petition. I saw it floating around in some local expat groups here (apparently, we still have British people clinging on desperately). And they'd even gave a postal code/zip code to go along with it so that everybody could vote.

Naturally, I did not sign. But it was interesting to see.

When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.

This has disturbed me frequently, its surprisingly easy. Either they know more about us than they ought to or the system is open wider to abuse than a Welsh sheep's back door.
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If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.-J.R.R Tolkien
A theocratic military junta, a Brythonic ennobled republic with a Roman flair. Imperialistic and Nationalistic, balancing deep social conservatism with a social economy. 260 million strong, led by a Lord Chancellor from the ancient city of Caer Ddywfol
Tradionalist Catholic British Nationalist
Pro: Christianity, Nationalism, Traditionalism, Environmentalism, Ruralism, Integralism and Ancestral Heritage
Anti: Globalism, Progressivism, Capitalism, Socialism, Immigration, Neo-Liberalism
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:29 am

The New California Republic wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Speaking of the petition. I saw it floating around in some local expat groups here (apparently, we still have British people clinging on desperately). And they'd even gave a postal code/zip code to go along with it so that everybody could vote.

Naturally, I did not sign. But it was interesting to see.

When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.


There are currently 2506 signatures from Argentina....

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:30 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.

This has disturbed me frequently, its surprisingly easy. Either they know more about us than they ought to or the system is open wider to abuse than a Welsh sheep's back door.


Now I am really offended.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:31 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.


There are currently 2506 signatures from Argentina....


You mean Falkland Islands? :p
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:32 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.


That would require a lot of extra security then :)

I wonder if it has any bot protection.


There was a previous petition for a second referendum that reached 4 million votes but later had thousands of votes discounted because they were from bots. So they are clearly aware of the possibility, though whether they can counter it in real time I don't know.

Interestingly a previous petition to leave immediately without a deal only got about 138,000 signatures in comparison to the one today.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:32 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:This has disturbed me frequently, its surprisingly easy. Either they know more about us than they ought to or the system is open wider to abuse than a Welsh sheep's back door.


Now I am really offended.


I wouldn't worry too much. While farm animals seem to be a common tory kink, the usually wait until after they're dead.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:34 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
There are currently 2506 signatures from Argentina....


You mean Falkland Islands? :p


only 2 from there. :P

And I fucked up, it's 2506 from Australia which is much more believable. Just 18 from Argentina.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:38 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.


That would require a lot of extra security then :)

I wonder if it has any bot protection.


I clicked on it to see. Looks like zero security. I did not sign but could have. Multiple times.
You have to check a box saying you are a UK citizen, put a name, email address and location code. That is it.

No Captcha, no id number, nothing.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:40 am

So the petitions are down right now because presumably so many were signing the petition... This does not bode well for Brexit.
I do be tired


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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:40 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:When I have signed other petitions using the system on previous occasions I am actually surprised there isn't a system of verification, such as requiring a National Insurance number.


That would require a lot of extra security then :)

I wonder if it has any bot protection.

The system sends you an email and you need to click a link in it to verify your signature. I'm sure if there were dozens of signatures coming from one email address then the system would discard all of them except one.
Last edited by Sigmund Freud on Sat Sep 23, 1939 2:23 am, edited 999 times in total.

The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:40 am

Novus America wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
That would require a lot of extra security then :)

I wonder if it has any bot protection.


I clicked on it to see. Looks like zero security. I did not sign but could have. Multiple times.
You have to check a box saying you are a UK citizen, put a name, email address and location code. That is it.

No Captcha, no id number, nothing.


...

wow.

Too bad there is a Brexit, I hear that the UK could use someone familiar with web security :)

*does not apply for the job*
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:41 am

Andsed wrote:So the petitions are down right now because presumably so many were signing the petition... This does not bode well for Brexit.


This is at least the third or fourth time it's happened today.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:41 am

Novus America wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
That would require a lot of extra security then :)

I wonder if it has any bot protection.


I clicked on it to see. Looks like zero security. I did not sign but could have. Multiple times.
You have to check a box saying you are a UK citizen, put a name, email address and location code. That is it.

No Captcha, no id number, nothing.

Security through Obscurity can be surprisingly effective at times

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Postby Andsed » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Andsed wrote:So the petitions are down right now because presumably so many were signing the petition... This does not bode well for Brexit.


This is at least the third or fourth time it's happened today.

Yeah is this a normal thing for popular petitions or what?
I do be tired


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