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by Thanatttynia » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:36 pm
by Bombadil » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:58 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:04 pm
by Far Easter Republic » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:08 pm
by Thanatttynia » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:12 pm
Bailing out the banks may have been the correct economic decision but at huge political cost.
EDIT: I see Thatta.. thatta.. thattawhatsisname has made a similar point just above me.
by Bombadil » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:20 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Bailing out the banks may have been the correct economic decision but at huge political cost.
I can't think of any political decision which inspired more disillusionment and dejection amongst ordinary people. The longer we get away from this the more it seems to have completely destroyed public trust in the political order (compounded of course by not punishing the bankers in its aftermath, which screams 'justice for some')
by Jolthig » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:23 pm
Bombadil wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:I can't think of any political decision which inspired more disillusionment and dejection amongst ordinary people. The longer we get away from this the more it seems to have completely destroyed public trust in the political order (compounded of course by not punishing the bankers in its aftermath, which screams 'justice for some')
What I think is remarkable is that it's been practically wiped from public discourse, there was a 10 year anniversary last year and I saw relatively little coverage and analysis of the impact. As Ostro notes the discourse changed from 'we'll make everyone better off' to 'stop the other side at all costs' and so both sides have veered to the left and right leaving the centre dead. The fallout of blame skewed the political landscape to extremes.
by Bombadil » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:33 pm
Jolthig wrote:Bombadil wrote:
What I think is remarkable is that it's been practically wiped from public discourse, there was a 10 year anniversary last year and I saw relatively little coverage and analysis of the impact. As Ostro notes the discourse changed from 'we'll make everyone better off' to 'stop the other side at all costs' and so both sides have veered to the left and right leaving the centre dead. The fallout of blame skewed the political landscape to extremes.
Indeed, and this is what I hate about today's politics because if you're on one side, you're automatically viewed as wrong.
What ever happened to compromise? Why not focus on real issues than pointing fingers? Too much red herring among the parties.
by Jolthig » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:34 pm
Bombadil wrote:Jolthig wrote:Indeed, and this is what I hate about today's politics because if you're on one side, you're automatically viewed as wrong.
What ever happened to compromise? Why not focus on real issues than pointing fingers? Too much red herring among the parties.
The stakes are too high old bean.
by Jolthig » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:48 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Centrist gang is running low on members.
by Bombadil » Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:59 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Centrist gang is running low on members.
by Jolthig » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:00 pm
Bombadil wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Centrist gang is running low on members.
One outcome of the '08 crisis was the rise of the Tea Party on the right and then Occupy on the left. Someone had to be blamed and neither side was willing to take it. On one side regulation and profligate individuals were to blame, on the other the lack of regulation and the 1% were to blame.
We don't seem to talk about Tea Party or Occupy anymore, everyone's a neo-Nazi or Antifa now.
There's a very tight nexus between government, media, Wall Street and corporate interests that they maintain their position. It's in their interest to make chicken fight chicken and pluck out what they want in the ensuing scrabble.
"One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”
by Sicaris » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:07 pm
by Jolthig » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:07 pm
Sicaris wrote:Yes.
The far left began organized violence, the far-right had some organized violence.
The moderates are slowly becoming more radical. Politics is shit-slinging at this point. If Trump wins 2020, the Far-left is probably going to multiply the volume of their violence.
by Shofercia » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:09 pm
by Big Jim P » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:09 pm
Jolthig wrote:Sicaris wrote:Yes.
The far left began organized violence, the far-right had some organized violence.
The moderates are slowly becoming more radical. Politics is shit-slinging at this point. If Trump wins 2020, the Far-left is probably going to multiply the volume of their violence.
Possibly, and so will the far-right because they feel they won, and as a reaction against the far left.
by Sicaris » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:11 pm
Shofercia wrote:Technically, but there were a lot of issues before 2016, and 2016 was just when the spark lit the fire. But the gasoline was being poured for quite some time.
by Jolthig » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:11 pm
by Big Jim P » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:11 pm
Shofercia wrote:Technically, but there were a lot of issues before 2016, and 2016 was just when the spark lit the fire. But the gasoline was being poured for quite some time.
by Sicaris » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:12 pm
Jolthig wrote:Sicaris wrote:Yes.
The far left began organized violence, the far-right had some organized violence.
The moderates are slowly becoming more radical. Politics is shit-slinging at this point. If Trump wins 2020, the Far-left is probably going to multiply the volume of their violence.
Possibly, and so will the far-right because they feel they won, and as a reaction against the far left.
by Jolthig » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:13 pm
by Shofercia » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:14 pm
Brace yourself for the next health insurance crisis: The middle class is becoming the new uninsured. The Affordable Care Act added millions of mostly poor people to the insurance rolls. But the law is driving premiums so high that middle-class people can no longer afford insurance. Several million are expected to drop coverage in 2018. Under ObamaCare, poor lives matter. Middle-class lives? Not so much.
by Shofercia » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:16 pm
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