How could the Axis Powers win WW2?

[Infected Mushroom]

There wasn’t a partly calculated real politik approach?

Sure he might have calculated a few things but Hitler was driven by hate and his idea of a master race. Unless you change who the Nazis were that will not change.

Were the Japanese more rational?

[Infected Mushroom]

There wasn’t a partly calculated real politik approach?

Sure he might have calculated a few things but Hitler was driven by hate and his idea of a master race. Unless you change who the Nazis were that will not change.

Okay but if you are the master race but still lost wwi... then surely racial superiority isn’t always enough to guarantee military victory no?

[Wysten]

If they improve their navy and finally invade the UK and not attacking the Soviets and the Americans

Ehhhhhhh, The resources required for building a navy even half of that of the RN would require re-directing funds and resources away from what was actually fighting the war.

[Andsed]

Sure he might have calculated a few things but Hitler was driven by hate and his idea of a master race. Unless you change who the Nazis were that will not change.

Were the Japanese more rational?

Not really. They saw surrender and falling back as dishonorable and cowardly so they fought even when it was clear they would lose getting more people killed in the process.

[Andsed]

Sure he might have calculated a few things but Hitler was driven by hate and his idea of a master race. Unless you change who the Nazis were that will not change.

Okay but if you are the master race but still lost wwi... then surely racial superiority isn’t always enough to guarantee military victory no?

They blamed their defeat on the Jews stabbing them in the back. And in the eyes of the Nazis it was.

[The New California Republic]

Sure he might have calculated a few things but Hitler was driven by hate and his idea of a master race. Unless you change who the Nazis were that will not change.

Were the Japanese more rational?

Not really. They picked a fight with the USA, which up until that point had been content to just watch as they invaded half of Asia.

[Infected Mushroom]

Were the Japanese more rational?

Not really. They saw surrender and falling back as dishonorable and cowardly so they fought even when it was clear they would lose getting more people killed in the process.

Okay but that’s just because they followed a warrior’s code of honor

[Baltenstein]

Sure he might have calculated a few things but Hitler was driven by hate and his idea of a master race. Unless you change who the Nazis were that will not change.

Were the Japanese more rational?

Human wave charges against an entrenched and numerically superior enemy equipped with machine guns and submachine guns, enough said.

[Infected Mushroom]

Were the Japanese more rational?

Not really. They picked a fight with the USA, which up until that point had been content to just watch as they invaded half of Asia.

But not because they thought the USA were racial inferiors and disregarded all intel about the USA’s overwhelming power hopefully?

[Andsed]

Not really. They saw surrender and falling back as dishonorable and cowardly so they fought even when it was clear they would lose getting more people killed in the process.

Okay but that’s just because they followed a warrior’s code of honor

Yeah it was stupid for them to do that as honor has no place in modern wars

[Infected Mushroom]

Were the Japanese more rational?

Human wave charges against an entrenched and numerically superior enemy equipped with machine guns and submachine guns, enough said.

That’s just bravery against overwhelming odds

[Valrifell]

Were the Japanese more rational?

Not really. They picked a fight with the USA, which up until that point had been content to just watch as they invaded half of Asia.

Well, China. It wasn't until after Pearl Harbor that the Japanese really started getting down to business.

If they had just invaded Indonesia, the US would've probably ended up declaring war anyway.

[Ifreann]

Sure he might have calculated a few things but Hitler was driven by hate and his idea of a master race. Unless you change who the Nazis were that will not change.

Okay but if you are the master race but still lost wwi... then surely racial superiority isn’t always enough to guarantee military victory no?

Nazis believed that Germany lost the Great War because Jews at home had thwarted the war effort, turned the public against them, stabbed them in the back. Which is all false, but they weren't exactly connected to factual reality. So to achieve victory in WW2, they set about murdering all the Jews.

[The New California Republic]

Not really. They picked a fight with the USA, which up until that point had been content to just watch as they invaded half of Asia.

But not because they thought the USA were racial inferiors and disregarded all intel about the USA’s overwhelming power hopefully?

The Japanese knew fine well how powerful the USA was. The racial element wasn't really aimed at the USA in particular.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Human wave charges against an entrenched and numerically superior enemy equipped with machine guns and submachine guns, enough said.

That’s just bravery against overwhelming odds

Its moronic.

[Andsed]

Human wave charges against an entrenched and numerically superior enemy equipped with machine guns and submachine guns, enough said.

That’s just bravery against overwhelming odds

No it´s idiotic for not falling back and fighting when you have a better situation.

[Infected Mushroom]

That’s just bravery against overwhelming odds

No it´s idiotic for not falling back and fighting when you have a better situation.

There’s no better situation though, they were on small islands with no reinforcements right?

[Baltenstein]

Not really. They picked a fight with the USA, which up until that point had been content to just watch as they invaded half of Asia.

But not because they thought the USA were racial inferiors and disregarded all intel about the USA’s overwhelming power hopefully?

Actually yes, they thought that the US were by nature a "nation of shopkeepers", afraid of military confrontation, that could be scared into suing for peace on Japan's terms after the latter had shown its resolve by taking most of the Pacific by force. The Japanese figured that the reason why the US had put an embargo on them was because they hadn't proven themselves to be strong enough yet, rather than the actual reason - Japan becoming too strong for America's liking.

[Andsed]

No it´s idiotic for not falling back and fighting when you have a better situation.

There’s no better situation though, they were on small islands with no reinforcements right?

If your referring to the battle of Saipan then yes but in many other scenarios they fought when it was better to fall back because of honor.

[Baltenstein]

No it´s idiotic for not falling back and fighting when you have a better situation.

There’s no better situation though, they were on small islands with no reinforcements right?

On several occasions, Japanese forces left their own entrenched positions to banzai charge the American positions, with predictably desastrous results.
Pretty much the only thing these charges achieved was a brief initial phase of shock from the American forces - who didn't expect their enemies to act so suicidally insane - before they were usually killed to a man.
Japan also misjudged the relationship between Britain and the US, believing that open military conflict with the former would automatically mean open military conflict with the latter, so they might just as well surprise attack them both simultanously.
By perceiving the Anglo-American relationship as being much closer than it really was, Japan ironically made the exact opposite mistake of Hitler, who thought the relationship was more strained than it really was, and that Britain could eventually be won over as a German ally in a future conflict with the US.

[Internationalist Bastard]

There’s no better situation though, they were on small islands with no reinforcements right?

On several occasions, Japanese forces left their own entrenched positions to banzai charge the American positions, with predictably desastrous results.
Pretty much the only thing these charges achieved was a brief initial phase of shock from the American forces - who didn't expect their enemies to act so suicidally insane - before they were usually killed to a man.

Honestly suicide charges are the the worst thing you can do tactically. It drains your manpower, makes it easier for enemies to counterattack, and in the long run reduces enemy casualties
The ideological fanaticism required of fascism was in and of itself a flaw militarily

[KnightInLand]

Hey, I was just wondering what the NS community thought about how an Axis victory in WW2
My only rule for this discussion is that I want an at least good answer, not "HiTlEr DuMb. jUSt dONt iNvaDe rUsSiA iN WiNteR."
Otherwise, post anything you want, as I am interested in your answers.

Really the only way they could’ve won was by not invading Russia and by possibly expanding the African theatre of the war.

[Andsed]

On several occasions, Japanese forces left their own entrenched positions to banzai charge the American positions, with predictably desastrous results.
Pretty much the only thing these charges achieved was a brief initial phase of shock from the American forces - who didn't expect their enemies to act so suicidally insane - before they were usually killed to a man.

Honestly suicide charges are the the worst thing you can do tactically. It drains your manpower, makes it easier for enemies to counterattack, and in the long run reduces enemy casualties
The ideological fanaticism required of fascism was in and of itself a flaw militarily

Agreed launching an attack you know will fail is foolish. Holding defensive positions or falling back to better positions is usually the better choice than launching an attack that is unlikely to succeed.

[Andsed]

Hey, I was just wondering what the NS community thought about how an Axis victory in WW2
My only rule for this discussion is that I want an at least good answer, not "HiTlEr DuMb. jUSt dONt iNvaDe rUsSiA iN WiNteR."
Otherwise, post anything you want, as I am interested in your answers.

Really the only way they could’ve won was by not invading Russia and by possibly expanding the African theatre of the war.

TBH even if they did not invade Russia they still would of lost or at the very least be forced into a stalemate.

[Ifreann]

Not really. They saw surrender and falling back as dishonorable and cowardly so they fought even when it was clear they would lose getting more people killed in the process.

Okay but that’s just because they followed a warrior’s code of honor

They'd killed the last of the samurai a good sixty years before the war.