US Considers Reparations For Slavery

[Genivaria]

Arbitrarily grouping people based on skin color and then ascribing them collective guilt for belonging to said arbitrary groups is racism.

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

"B-but the Irish were the first slaves!" ----My racist Uncle while defending slavery.

[Unithonia]

Okay, cool, paying damages is strictly for things that you are responsible for.

It's come up in the Trump thread today that immigrant children in US custody were sexually assaulted. It's possible that those children could take a case against the United States and win damages. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that exactly that happens. The United States pays out millions in damages. I assume you're both tax payers, and I assume you'd both say that the compensation was paid from tax payer's money. So how responsible are you two for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children? I would have thought "Not at all", but here you both are telling me that if you're paying damages, it's gotta be because you're responsible.

Or instead as what's more common we make the people responsible who directly caused the harm to pay the reparations.

This
Taxing white Americans is pointless. They've done nothing wrong. If they do something wrong, then they should be punished. But taxing whites for past injustices done by British settlers is ridiculous. I'm lucky enough to be Irish, but my American family came over here and fought for the Union in the Civil War. Do they deserve to be taxed because they ran from a racist country just to fight a war against racism? Does this mean every Irish person gets reparations for "no Irish need apply"?

[Proctopeo]

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

"B-but the Irish were the first slaves!" ----My racist Uncle while defending slavery.

Wholly irrelevant to my point fam
the point is
most white people don't have ancestors that owned slaves, and large swaths came over in the twilight years of slavery (making any of them being slaveowners highly unlikely) or after it was abolished, thus absolving them of any plausible ancestral guilt under any remotely reasonable system of ancestral guilt (which is itself unreasonable, but still)

[Unithonia]

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

"B-but the Irish were the first slaves!" ----My racist Uncle while defending slavery.

The Irish were slaves, but nowhere near the first. Nor is that a defense for slavery. I literally have never heard anyone say that in my life, even my nationalist self

[Unithonia]

Arbitrarily grouping people based on skin color and then ascribing them collective guilt for belonging to said arbitrary groups is racism.

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

Let's not forget my great-great-great Uncle who fought for the Union! He loved racism

[Genivaria]

"B-but the Irish were the first slaves!" ----My racist Uncle while defending slavery.

The Irish were slaves, but nowhere near the first. Nor is that a defense for slavery. I literally have never heard anyone say that in my life, even my nationalist self

It's a poorly informed meme.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... sts-online

[Proctopeo]

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

Let's not forget my great-great-great Uncle who fought for the Union! He loved racism

did he buy stock in Racism Incorporated at the Racist Stock Exchange for Racist Racists?

[Ifreann]

Okay, cool, paying damages is strictly for things that you are responsible for.

It's come up in the Trump thread today that immigrant children in US custody were sexually assaulted. It's possible that those children could take a case against the United States and win damages. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that exactly that happens. The United States pays out millions in damages. I assume you're both tax payers, and I assume you'd both say that the compensation was paid from tax payer's money. So how responsible are you two for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children? I would have thought "Not at all", but here you both are telling me that if you're paying damages, it's gotta be because you're responsible.

No i'm not, because i'm not american, lmfao.

So how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

Maybe you forgot, but US isn't the only country in the world.

Yes, maybe I forgot that there are countries other than the US, a country I have never been to. Or maybe I assumed that you're American because there are a lot of Americans on this forum.

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Arbitrarily grouping people based on skin color and then ascribing them collective guilt for belonging to said arbitrary groups is racism.

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

Irish people aren't white, don't you know 19th century scientific racism?

[Unithonia]

Let's not forget my great-great-great Uncle who fought for the Union! He loved racism

did he buy stock in Racism Incorporated at the Racist Stock Exchange for Racist Racists?

Oh yeah!

[Unithonia]

The Irish were slaves, but nowhere near the first. Nor is that a defense for slavery. I literally have never heard anyone say that in my life, even my nationalist self

It's a poorly informed meme.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... sts-online

Ah I see. I imagine your response was a meme as well?

[Unithonia]

No i'm not, because i'm not american, lmfao.

So how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

Maybe you forgot, but US isn't the only country in the world.

Yes, maybe I forgot that there are countries other than the US, a country I have never been to. Or maybe I assumed that you're American because there are a lot of Americans on this forum.

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irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

Irish people aren't white, don't you know 19th century scientific racism?

Wait Irish people aren't white? Huh? LSD?

[Proctopeo]

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

Irish people aren't white, don't you know 19th century scientific racism?

21st century scientific racism puts Irish people as white though, and we're running off of 21st century scientific racism, not 19th century scientific racism
if we do use it, though, I'm pretty sure we can use the 1/16ths principle to define every so-called "white" person out of whiteness, thus rendering "reparations" impossible

did he buy stock in Racism Incorporated at the Racist Stock Exchange for Racist Racists?

Oh yeah!

THE BASTARD.

[Skarten]

No i'm not, because i'm not american, lmfao.

So how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

Maybe you forgot, but US isn't the only country in the world.

Yes, maybe I forgot that there are countries other than the US, a country I have never been to. Or maybe I assumed that you're American because there are a lot of Americans on this forum.

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irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

Irish people aren't white, don't you know 19th century scientific racism?

They are guilty as the amount of stuff they did that allowed this to happen. An american in Alaska isn't going to be responsible for a kid dying in the middle of Texas.

[Salus Maior]

o how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

We voted in the government that made those policies in the first place.

[Skarten]

o how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

We voted in the government that made those policies in the first place.

Not everyone voted for that government though. What were they supposed to do, lead a coup?

[Salus Maior]

We voted in the government that made those policies in the first place.

Not everyone voted for that government though. What were they supposed to do, lead a coup?

Basically be losers and suck it up I guess.

[Skarten]

Not everyone voted for that government though. What were they supposed to do, lead a coup?

Basically be losers and suck it up I guess.

I would guess that is how democracy works,yes.

[Ifreann]

So how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

Yes, maybe I forgot that there are countries other than the US, a country I have never been to. Or maybe I assumed that you're American because there are a lot of Americans on this forum.

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Irish people aren't white, don't you know 19th century scientific racism?

Wait Irish people aren't white? Huh? LSD?

Whiteness is a constructed social category, so at some points in history Irish people were excluded from that category.

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So how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

Yes, maybe I forgot that there are countries other than the US, a country I have never been to. Or maybe I assumed that you're American because there are a lot of Americans on this forum.

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Irish people aren't white, don't you know 19th century scientific racism?

They are guilty as the amount of stuff they did that allowed this to happen. An american in Alaska isn't going to be responsible for a kid dying in the middle of Texas.

But the government would be paying damages out of tax payer's money. Alaskans pay federal taxes just like Texans. Does this mean that all tax payers are responsible?

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o how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

We voted in the government that made those policies in the first place.

There are people who have turned 18 since the last election. Do they get special tax breaks until the first election they can participate in?

[Scomagia]

No i'm not, because i'm not american, lmfao.

So how responsible are people who are American for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children?

Maybe you forgot, but US isn't the only country in the world.

Yes, maybe I forgot that there are countries other than the US, a country I have never been to. Or maybe I assumed that you're American because there are a lot of Americans on this forum.

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irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

Irish people aren't white, don't you know 19th century scientific racism?

Define "white". Or "black", for that matter.

[Rezmaeristan]

They are guilty as the amount of stuff they did that allowed this to happen. An american in Alaska isn't going to be responsible for a kid dying in the middle of Texas.

But the government would be paying damages out of tax payer's money. Alaskans pay federal taxes just like Texans. Does this mean that all tax payers are responsible?

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You can't really be responsible as a taxpayer since you don't choose to pay taxes. Sure, you could be unemployed and a hobo, but when that's the only choice other than having a house, a job, and paying taxes, is it really a choice?

[Salus Maior]

There are people who have turned 18 since the last election. Do they get special tax breaks until the first election they can participate in?

No, because that would be a bit complicated to implement, and the government wouldn't want to do that anyway.

It is however immoral to make people pay a tax because of their skin color.

[Oubliettica]

Take a single dollar bill and use a 2x4 to shove it up any politically correct lybtard nazzy's wazoo and consider the faux debt paid in full. How's about Uncle Sam making the great society scammers repay the BILLIONS that were flushed down ghetto drains with no demonstrably positive results after 50+ years but that only succeeded in destroying once-safe schools and communities?
Those same traitors refuse to own their own dirty laundry, they've just changed the direction of their fanatical religious PC-ness towards aiding and abetting illegals who dream of overwhelming our country, taxpayers and society, another giant leap backwards towards third world cesspool status. When does the madness that is leftwing illogical fallacy end?
FWIW, I would ask the same of oppressive right-wingers who pander to the 1% and the plundering monopolists and Luddite medieval sky fairy grovelers. Neither side has a mandate to shove their warped philosophies and man-invented religion-inspired policies down the throats of the 40% who won't drink the red or blue cups of Kool Aid and vote for either corrupt party.
Predictable slings and arrows are expected from both groups of brain-dead wankers, but I have no intention on becoming embroiled in or even wasting time reading because neither side's emotional pleadings and alt-facts are credible. You can't debate, you simply love to argue and fiddle and point fingers while the new Rome burns and history continues to repeat itself.
Sincerely,
The Silent Majority, that, btw, has a larger percentage of the eligible electorate than either corrupt side can claim

[Skarten]

Wait Irish people aren't white? Huh? LSD?

Whiteness is a constructed social category, so at some points in history Irish people were excluded from that category.

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They are guilty as the amount of stuff they did that allowed this to happen. An american in Alaska isn't going to be responsible for a kid dying in the middle of Texas.

But the government would be paying damages out of tax payer's money. Alaskans pay federal taxes just like Texans. Does this mean that all tax payers are responsible?

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We voted in the government that made those policies in the first place.

There are people who have turned 18 since the last election. Do they get special tax breaks until the first election they can participate in?

No, they are not. They didn't say "Oh yes, i want this to happen", so they are not responsible, even if they unjustly lose money that should be used on improving their lives. Either way, i don't see how this relates to the topic at hand. The government is paying damages becuase the victims are still alive, or at least, their direct families are. So unless you can find me an living former slave, you've still got no argument.

[Farnhamia]

Take a single dollar bill and use a 2x4 to shove it up any politically correct lybtard nazzy's wazoo and consider the faux debt paid in full. How's about Uncle Sam making the great society scammers repay the BILLIONS that were flushed down ghetto drains with no demonstrably positive results after 50+ years but that only succeeded in destroying once-safe schools and communities?
Those same traitors refuse to own their own dirty laundry, they've just changed the direction of their fanatical religious PC-ness towards aiding and abetting illegals who dream of overwhelming our country, taxpayers and society, another giant leap backwards towards third world cesspool status. When does the madness that is leftwing illogical fallacy end?
FWIW, I would ask the same of oppressive right-wingers who pander to the 1% and the plundering monopolists and Luddite medieval sky fairy grovelers. Neither side has a mandate to shove their warped philosophies and man-invented religion-inspired policies down the throats of the 40% who won't drink the red or blue cups of Kool Aid and vote for either corrupt party.
Predictable slings and arrows are expected from both groups of brain-dead wankers, but I have no intention on becoming embroiled in or even wasting time reading because neither side's emotional pleadings and alt-facts are credible. You can't debate, you simply love to argue and fiddle and point fingers while the new Rome burns and history continues to repeat itself.
Sincerely,
The Silent Majority, that, btw, has a larger percentage of the eligible electorate than either corrupt side can claim

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[Oubliettica]

Not trolling, stating FACT, Farmie. You want to stifle intellectual honesty, go ahead. I'm used to that tactic.