US Considers Reparations For Slavery

[The Two Jerseys]

If that's the case everyone will pay everyone, ex.
Germany must give all there land to Jews and isreal as repramands for the Holocaust, and whale were at it the rest of America should pay the x CSA for the civil War heck let's all pay each other for every little thing we may have done against another.

It is not our responsibility to feel bad about what our ansestors did, as the saying goes you don't punish the son for the sins of the father. What we need to do is learn about the past so we don't repeat it.

You do realize that Germany pays Israel reparations for the crimes and atrocities they committed right?

There's a couple important differences though.

The Israeli government made a claim against (West) Germany for compensation for the cost of taking in Holocaust survivors, which they then invested in the country's infrastructure, it wasn't Germany just giving free money to Holocaust survivors.

Also, Germany's reparation payments were made while survivors were still living, not generations after the fact.

[Inkopolita]

You asked for evidence that descendents of enslaved Africans were still suffering from the effects of their ancestors' enslavement. It was provided. But instead of contesting that evidence or arguing that being deprived of property, most legal rights, justice, equal treatment under the law, etc. did not actually cause any suffering you changed the subject and started talking about how long it had been since slavery ended. Then you changed the subject again and went completely off topic; this thread is not about Portuguese colonies or what should happen there. Oh and you saying "because white man bad" does not make the case for reparations about that at all.

Let us know when you're ready to display some intellectual honesty.

There you go again. Saying "I've given you evidence" is not evidence. You're Just saying "Black people had bad stuff happen to them, lets make their vote count more and give them White people's Money!"

It's honestly amazing how people can believe this to be okay. Giving a person more voting power just because of their skin color is a really bad idea that goes against democracy.

[Ifreann]

Who keeps coming up with these stupid ideas? I now it wasn't AOC this time, so which Democrat was it?

The idea of reparations for slavery goes back to when there were slaves.

[Salus Maior]

Who keeps coming up with these stupid ideas? I now it wasn't AOC this time, so which Democrat was it?

The idea of reparations for slavery goes back to when there were slaves.

I suppose they should have done it when the perpetrators were still alive.

It would have made sense to make the plantations pay reparations, it doesn't to make people pay by race.

[Ifreann]

The idea of reparations for slavery goes back to when there were slaves.

I suppose they should have done it when the perpetrators were still alive.

They did, in a few instances, I believe. But it was a pretty massively racist time period, so I dare say most slaves were shit out of luck.

[Skarten]

I suppose they should have done it when the perpetrators were still alive.

They did, in a few instances, I believe. But it was a pretty massively racist time period, so I dare say most slaves were shit out of luck.

And that is our fault How?

[Ifreann]

They did, in a few instances, I believe. But it was a pretty massively racist time period, so I dare say most slaves were shit out of luck.

And that is our fault How?

Don't believe I said anything about whose fault it was.

[Skarten]

And that is our fault How?

Don't believe I said anything about whose fault it was.

Then if it wasnt our fault, there's no reason for us to have to pay for it.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Don't believe I said anything about whose fault it was.

Then if it wasnt our fault, there's no reason for us to have to pay for it.

Agreed. And I also see no need to appease leftist Europeans by paying for it.

[Ifreann]

Don't believe I said anything about whose fault it was.

Then if it wasnt our fault, there's no reason for us to have to pay for it.

So you only pay for things that are your fault?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Then if it wasnt our fault, there's no reason for us to have to pay for it.

So you only pay for things that are your fault?

Yes, that's pretty much how damages work.

[Skarten]

Then if it wasnt our fault, there's no reason for us to have to pay for it.

So you only pay for things that are your fault?

I Only pay damage compensation for actions i've done, Yes.

[Scomagia]

Yes.

Then every single country on earth both owes And Is owed reparations, thus canceling the both out, And solving our problem. Hooray for Gibs!

Congratulations, you've gotten to the core of the oppression Olympics! It's an infinite regress of blame!

[Scomagia]

Because as we all know, King Crimson used his power to jump from 1900 to 2000, thus meaning that there is no way that the descendants of slaves could have gotten money in that time. And as we also know, there is not a single rich black person today.

This is just ridiculous. Jim Crow only ended 50 years ago. No community in the US has gone from being that oppressed to being on-par with the average in that short of a time. Political situations like slavery and Jim Crow have long-term effects on social-economic relations, families, education levels, etc. etc. Yes, there are self made men who got rich from nothing, but the majority of people are in a similar economic caste that their ancestors were 100 years or even 150 years ago.

Other than just saying so, do you have actual proof that the economic woes of today's black Americans is the result of slavery and not something more recent, relevent, and ongoing like say...the war on drugs?

[Scomagia]

No, that is retarded. Why not instead use tax payer money that's already there to actually improve living conditions in Black communities instead of having MORE taxes just to give away the tax money, essentially for free?

Because people here keep claiming that blacks do not need handouts and should just work harder, while getting terribly upset if someone suggests taking away the handouts whites are getting thanks to their ancestors being dicks.

It is good to adress this hypocrisy

Glad to see casual racism in NSG. Nothing wrong here.

[Genivaria]

Not only would it be hugely unfair to people who've done nothing wrong now, it also will do nothing to actually alleviate racial inequality in today's society.
It would be an utterly pointless waste of money.

[Ifreann]

So you only pay for things that are your fault?

Yes, that's pretty much how damages work.

So you only pay for things that are your fault?

I Only pay damage compensation for actions i've done, Yes.

Okay, cool, paying damages is strictly for things that you are responsible for.

It's come up in the Trump thread today that immigrant children in US custody were sexually assaulted. It's possible that those children could take a case against the United States and win damages. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that exactly that happens. The United States pays out millions in damages. I assume you're both tax payers, and I assume you'd both say that the compensation was paid from tax payer's money. So how responsible are you two for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children? I would have thought "Not at all", but here you both are telling me that if you're paying damages, it's gotta be because you're responsible.

[Salus Maior]

Yes, that's pretty much how damages work.

I Only pay damage compensation for actions i've done, Yes.

Okay, cool, paying damages is strictly for things that you are responsible for.

It's come up in the Trump thread today that immigrant children in US custody were sexually assaulted. It's possible that those children could take a case against the United States and win damages. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that exactly that happens. The United States pays out millions in damages. I assume you're both tax payers, and I assume you'd both say that the compensation was paid from tax payer's money. So how responsible are you two for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children? I would have thought "Not at all", but here you both are telling me that if you're paying damages, it's gotta be because you're responsible.

You can argue because the government who instituted those policies are elected, that the voter is responsible for what policies that government enacts.

[Ifreann]

Because people here keep claiming that blacks do not need handouts and should just work harder, while getting terribly upset if someone suggests taking away the handouts whites are getting thanks to their ancestors being dicks.

It is good to adress this hypocrisy

Glad to see casual racism in NSG. Nothing wrong here.

Recognising that the effects of racist slavery happen along race lines is the REAL racism.

[Genivaria]

Yes, that's pretty much how damages work.

I Only pay damage compensation for actions i've done, Yes.

Okay, cool, paying damages is strictly for things that you are responsible for.

It's come up in the Trump thread today that immigrant children in US custody were sexually assaulted. It's possible that those children could take a case against the United States and win damages. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that exactly that happens. The United States pays out millions in damages. I assume you're both tax payers, and I assume you'd both say that the compensation was paid from tax payer's money. So how responsible are you two for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children? I would have thought "Not at all", but here you both are telling me that if you're paying damages, it's gotta be because you're responsible.

Or instead as what's more common we make the people responsible who directly caused the harm to pay the reparations.

[Scomagia]

Glad to see casual racism in NSG. Nothing wrong here.

Recognising that the effects of racist slavery happen along race lines is the REAL racism.

Arbitrarily grouping people based on skin color and then ascribing them collective guilt for belonging to said arbitrary groups is racism.

[Unithonia]

It’s an interesting idea. I don’t think it has much political saliency at the moment outside of the DSA and adjacent groups dominated by university educated leftists. It would gain more were there to be a real movement amongst a larger group of African-Americans. Right now, candidates are suggesting policies which are not really reparations, but would merely benefit black communities.

Its worth as a political idea is harder for me to gauge. I think people in this thread and elsewhere dismissing it outright are not giving it enough consideration.

The US is literally built off slavery. One of the primary reasons America is so obscenely wealthy now is that in its very recent history, one group of American people owned another group of American people. No other country in the world has the history America has when it comes to slavery: other slave states existed, of course, but none where it was so well entrenched have the current demographics America has. After slavery ended, African-Americans as a people were systemically treated as second-class persons. The African-American people were never able to fulfil the potential they had and of course, because of that, still can’t. Look at the poverty and incarceration rates for black Americans for examples of systemic racism still at work.

From this perspective, reparations are morally correct. But it’s obviously not that simple, and there are lots of problems with proposals for reparations. Americans alive today are not responsible for the actions of Americans who existed before them. Whilst masses of individual white Americans have benefited from America’s racist history and the prevalence of white supremacy, not all white people have to the same degree, and other groups which are popularly termed “privileged” or “oppressive” include many African-Americans. Does every one of these groups now pay reparations for historic injustices and cruelties? I’m assuming the supporters of reparations would say, no: if that’s the case, which ones do and which don’t? Similarly, not every African-American has suffered, at all or more commonly to the same degree, from this history.

I support broader redistributionary policies and universal programmes, which are a) more likely to succeed, b) more likely to help people, c) clearer and easier to carry out. Most importantly, I still have moral issues with the entire idea.

The first step would be to set up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which prob should have happened sooner. (Obviously the problem here is that such a commission is probably going to cause more social harm than good, at least in the short term, and I have doubts about the underlying philosophies that would probably be represented on such a commission.)

Someones never heard of a little country called England

[Skarten]

Yes, that's pretty much how damages work.

I Only pay damage compensation for actions i've done, Yes.

Okay, cool, paying damages is strictly for things that you are responsible for.

It's come up in the Trump thread today that immigrant children in US custody were sexually assaulted. It's possible that those children could take a case against the United States and win damages. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that exactly that happens. The United States pays out millions in damages. I assume you're both tax payers, and I assume you'd both say that the compensation was paid from tax payer's money. So how responsible are you two for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children? I would have thought "Not at all", but here you both are telling me that if you're paying damages, it's gotta be because you're responsible.

No i'm not, because i'm not american, lmfao. Maybe you forgot, but US isn't the only country in the world.

[Proctopeo]

Recognising that the effects of racist slavery happen along race lines is the REAL racism.

Arbitrarily grouping people based on skin color and then ascribing them collective guilt for belonging to said arbitrary groups is racism.

irish immigrants from the 1880s are just as at fault for slavery as every other white man person in America, don't be RACIST

[Ifreann]

Okay, cool, paying damages is strictly for things that you are responsible for.

It's come up in the Trump thread today that immigrant children in US custody were sexually assaulted. It's possible that those children could take a case against the United States and win damages. Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that exactly that happens. The United States pays out millions in damages. I assume you're both tax payers, and I assume you'd both say that the compensation was paid from tax payer's money. So how responsible are you two for failing to prevent the sexual assault of those children? I would have thought "Not at all", but here you both are telling me that if you're paying damages, it's gotta be because you're responsible.

Or instead as what's more common we make the people responsible who directly caused the harm to pay the reparations.

The United States is directly responsible for the conditions in which they keep people in custody. If one of these child concentration camps burned down because the US failed to take proper fire safety steps then the US is responsible for that, even if someone else started the fire. Likewise, if the US failed to take proper steps to protect the children in their custody, they could owe damages for that negligence, even if it was someone else who actually harmed the children. The negligence and the assaults are separate things.