Is there anything glorious about war?

[Infected Mushroom]

I can say -- pretty confidently -- that someone dying and screaming in unholy agony -- isn't taking time to think "but it's all for the nation". There's no time for patriotic fervour or pleasant distractions. Someone in agonising pain is only thinking about the pain, and "dear god, make it stop! Please make it stop!"

There's no glory in that.

Actually, most vets of wars like WWII, Vietnam, etc... claim that most people who are dying call for their parents to help them, specifically the opposite gender parent (So since WWII for example was mostly fought by men, if you they were on a battlefield around that time they'd most likely be hearing "Mommy! Mommy make it stop!").

this is... very interesting detail (I did not know that)

[Infected Mushroom]

I'd be screaming in complete agony (and maybe die/pass out) but a part of me, somewhere deep down, will understand that I've made a sacrifice for the nation and take comfort in that

and that is what matters

I can say -- pretty confidently -- that someone dying and screaming in unholy agony -- isn't taking time to think "but it's all for the nation". There's no time for patriotic fervour or pleasant distractions. Someone in agonising pain is only thinking about the pain, and "dear god, make it stop! Please make it stop!"

There's no glory in that.

I'm pretty sure if people found out I died while in the military while a war was going on (regardless of how)... it sounds a lot better and more glorious than hearing I died of health complications in my bed at an old age

there's just something about dying while in the service of a military force that adds a lot of glory points to your life resume (for whatever its worth after you're dead)

do you want to be known as the person who worked in an office/had a "decent" partner until they died of heath complications at an older age... or the person who tried to serve his country, went to war, and died young but tragically and gloriously?

I think its pretty clear what is more glorious

[Stormwrath]

What's so glorious about getting your head blown off?

[Page]

What's so glorious about getting your head blown off?

Your loved ones get a flag folded into a perfect triangle. Worth it.

[Phoenicaea]

..yes, glory lies along the spirit of sacrifice and the personal background of the soldiers. it is the narrative, the epic of it, that is an history.

[Page]

..yes, glory lies along the spirit of sacrifice and the personal background of the soldiers. it is the narrative, the epic of it, that is an history.

For every Thermopylae there are a hundred instances of the losing side routing and running for their lives. The overwhelming majority of humans will choose survival over a heroic sacrifice every time. Most people will get out of the kitchen when it gets too hot.

[Phoenicaea]

^ @Page, yes.. actually, that (Erodotus) was precisely the intent of giving it a scholar definition, in the post

it goes without saying this doesn t imply the 'reasons' for war to be justified, that the useless carnage may be justified. the noblest deed is not to make it.

this way, it may be seen as self-condradiction, and perhaps it is.

nevertheless we have to say the sacrifice that had been poured is no without meaning (we neither believe it, genuinely), and that all factions are not *always the same.

[Andsed]

I can say -- pretty confidently -- that someone dying and screaming in unholy agony -- isn't taking time to think "but it's all for the nation". There's no time for patriotic fervour or pleasant distractions. Someone in agonising pain is only thinking about the pain, and "dear god, make it stop! Please make it stop!"

There's no glory in that.

I'm pretty sure if people found out I died while in the military while a war was going on (regardless of how)... it sounds a lot better and more glorious than hearing I died of health complications in my bed at an old age

there's just something about dying while in the service of a military force that adds a lot of glory points to your life resume (for whatever its worth after you're dead)

do you want to be known as the person who worked in an office/had a "decent" partner until they died of heath complications at an older age... or the person who tried to serve his country, went to war, and died young but tragically and gloriously?

I think its pretty clear what is more glorious

Call me ignorant but I don´t think soldiers are thinking about any of that when they had their chest blown open and as they are screaming for their mommy. Despite what video games and movies tell you dying is not glorious.

[The Free Joy State]

I can say -- pretty confidently -- that someone dying and screaming in unholy agony -- isn't taking time to think "but it's all for the nation". There's no time for patriotic fervour or pleasant distractions. Someone in agonising pain is only thinking about the pain, and "dear god, make it stop! Please make it stop!"

There's no glory in that.

I'm pretty sure if people found out I died while in the military while a war was going on (regardless of how)... it sounds a lot better and more glorious than hearing I died of health complications in my bed at an old age

there's just something about dying while in the service of a military force that adds a lot of glory points to your life resume (for whatever its worth after you're dead)

do you want to be known as the person who worked in an office/had a "decent" partner until they died of heath complications at an older age... or the person who tried to serve his country, went to war, and died young but tragically and gloriously?

I think its pretty clear what is more glorious

It's clear to me... Living to a ripe old age, with loved ones who will remember me fondly, having had time to achieve things in my own right other than "served in front-line -- died horribly".

I'm pretty sure the neatly folded flag does not make up for not having someone around longer. When people die, their relatives usually say: "I wish we'd had more time", not "I wish they'd had a cooler death".

(Not that I think dying horribly in a war is "cool", to be clear)

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

irregardless

It should be regardless. Irregardless is a double negative.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

why wouldn't there be?

he was serving his country

how many of us can die, while serving and defending the nation?

Getting hit by artillery while not actively doing anything but showing you are important? Seems like an unimpressive way to die. I don’t think you get any of the points people have been making.

[Page]

how many of us can die, while serving and defending the nation?

I'd like to die at an old age in a nice comfortable bed, preferably while very high.

[Kannap]

I can say -- pretty confidently -- that someone dying and screaming in unholy agony -- isn't taking time to think "but it's all for the nation". There's no time for patriotic fervour or pleasant distractions. Someone in agonising pain is only thinking about the pain, and "dear god, make it stop! Please make it stop!"

There's no glory in that.

Actually, most vets of wars like WWII, Vietnam, etc... claim that most people who are dying call for their parents to help them, specifically the opposite gender parent (So since WWII for example was mostly fought by men, if you they were on a battlefield around that time they'd most likely be hearing "Mommy! Mommy make it stop!").

This reminded me randomly of the D Day invasion scene from Saving Private Ryan. Because when I like war movies, I prefer the ones that don't glorify war as this heroic fun adventure with friends, I prefer ones where it's painted as the gruesome, god awful affair that nobody wants to be part of. The D Day invasion scene of Saving Private Ryan checks all these boxes, from the cries of soldiers yelling for their mothers to the soldier shocked and walking around in circles holding his blown off arm in his hand unsure what to do. From the soldiers paralyzed in fear behind the only cover the beach provides despite that being a place of certain death to the soldiers being blown to pieces around them, it's a gruesome affair and war should never be glorified.

[Immoren]

how many of us can die, while serving and defending the nation?

I'd like to die at an old age in a nice comfortable bed, preferably while very high.

Cabin at the mountains? Thats nice hope to have.

[The Huskar Social Union]

"How did Infected Mushroom die?"

"Oh, in a ditch, covered in fire, screaming, unable to escape because he had no legs and a burning tank was about to fall on top of him"

"Oh how glorious Huskar"

"Yeah i thought so"

[Hurdergaryp]

"How did Infected Mushroom die?"

"Oh, in a ditch, covered in fire, screaming, unable to escape because he had no legs and a burning tank was about to fall on top of him"

"Oh how glorious Huskar"

"Yeah i thought so"

"A bit of a shame, though. It was a really nice tank, with advanced gun stabilizers, a state of the art targeting computer and the latest generation reactive armor."

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

"How did Infected Mushroom die?"

"Oh, in a ditch, covered in fire, screaming, unable to escape because he had no legs and a burning tank was about to fall on top of him"

"Oh how glorious Huskar"

"Yeah i thought so"

More likely, IM gets killed by an explosive and bleeds out painfully after losing their legs or dies right away. Either that or dying from shock.

[Ifreann]

For all this talk of the glory of dying for one's country, I suspect that IM cannot name anyone who has done so unless there's a movie about them. If it's so very glorious, why do we not all know the names of the many, many millions who have died for their countries?

[Gig em Aggies]

For all this talk of the glory of dying for one's country, I suspect that IM cannot name anyone who has done so unless there's a movie about them. If it's so very glorious, why do we not all know the names of the many, many millions who have died for their countries?

because then we wont get kick ass songs like this ---->https://youtu.be/zBUx6zTxr98

In history one person is not meant to be known by name during times of war for the achievements they do unless it shifts the line of history and humanity, war is a collective effort won not by one but many doing what they feel is right even if future generations disrespect those who spilled blood to create a better world for them while also looking down upon them as some sort of coward and say why the needless violence. Cowards are those who belittle others for there achievements that don't fall in line with the cowards belief, a coward cannot fathom why one there age would seek glory in battle.

Glory is not the websters definition it is what comes to those who seek to challenge themselves to do something grander.

[Rezmaeristan]

Does anyone else think the purpose of a war makes it more or less glorious?

For instance, the War in Afghanistan was for the honor and safety of the United States; Afghanistan was believed to be harboring terrorists who had attacked the United States, and who continue to threaten global security to this day. We killed Osama bin Laden and avenged the thousands of lives lost to his terror plots. A glorious war.


Now take the war in Iraq; a war fought so that Western megacorporations could have access to Iraq in order to exploit it for our personal gains. Not a glorious war at all.

[Gig em Aggies]

Does anyone else think the purpose of a war makes it more or less glorious?

For instance, the War in Afghanistan was for the honor and safety of the United States; Afghanistan was believed to be harboring terrorists who had attacked the United States, and who continue to threaten global security to this day. We killed Osama bin Laden and avenged the thousands of lives lost to his terror plots. A glorious war.


Now take the war in Iraq; a war fought so that Western megacorporations could have access to Iraq in order to exploit it for our personal gains. Not a glorious war at all.

wrong the Iraq war wasn't fought to have mega corporations have access to Iraq it was to rid the people of Saddam and give them a choice to live how they want. plus what did we "gain" from Iraq through the war it certainly wasn't oil.

[Ifreann]

Does anyone else think the purpose of a war makes it more or less glorious?

For instance, the War in Afghanistan was for the honor and safety of the United States; Afghanistan was believed to be harboring terrorists who had attacked the United States, and who continue to threaten global security to this day. We killed Osama bin Laden and avenged the thousands of lives lost to his terror plots. A glorious war.


Now take the war in Iraq; a war fought so that Western megacorporations could have access to Iraq in order to exploit it for our personal gains. Not a glorious war at all.

The day is rapidly approaching when American soldiers and Taliban fighters who were not alive on 9/11 kill each other in Afghanistan. Is that really glorious? A whole generation spent seeking revenge from people who had nothing to do with the crime. More lives lost seeking revenge than were lost in the attack itself.

[Ifreann]

Does anyone else think the purpose of a war makes it more or less glorious?

For instance, the War in Afghanistan was for the honor and safety of the United States; Afghanistan was believed to be harboring terrorists who had attacked the United States, and who continue to threaten global security to this day. We killed Osama bin Laden and avenged the thousands of lives lost to his terror plots. A glorious war.


Now take the war in Iraq; a war fought so that Western megacorporations could have access to Iraq in order to exploit it for our personal gains. Not a glorious war at all.

wrong the Iraq war wasn't fought to have mega corporations have access to Iraq it was to rid the people of Saddam and give them a choice to live how they want. plus what did we "gain" from Iraq through the war it certainly wasn't oil.

The Iraq war was very specifically about Saddam supposedly having weapons of mass destruction. Then it turned out he didn't.

[Big Jim P]

Actually, most vets of wars like WWII, Vietnam, etc... claim that most people who are dying call for their parents to help them, specifically the opposite gender parent (So since WWII for example was mostly fought by men, if you they were on a battlefield around that time they'd most likely be hearing "Mommy! Mommy make it stop!").

this is... very interesting detail (I did not know that)

Well, our parents are our first god-image.

[Big Jim P]

how many of us can die, while serving and defending the nation?

I'd like to die at an old age in a nice comfortable bed, preferably while very high.

I want to die at a ripe old age having the last orgasm my body would be capable of.