Is there anything glorious about war?

[Caracasus]

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

You wont find it glorious when a fighter bomber blows you to pieces or a tank shell hits you when fired from a few miles away and your left screaming on the ground with your legs blown off.

Or when it turns out the 'good guys' your government's armed forces are supporting in yet another proxy war are busy murdering teachers and mutilating kids.

IM, there are perhaps, maybe a handfull of genuinely 'just' wars in human history, most of them have been because some bunch of utter cunts had a falling out with another bunch of utter cunts and have decided to let the respective working classes of both groups murder each other to see which bunch of utter cunts wins.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

Uhhhh, yeah. Literally everything. Any true patriot should consider it an honor to die for his/her country. And if you're not willing to die for your country, then move to one you would be willing to die for.

Fighting something that really seriously actually threaten innocent people yes, but other than that no. I'm not giving up my life for a social construct, especially if that social construct a) have other means to resolve their dispute and b) established with a goal of the betterment of society, which means it did a shit job.

[Big Jim P]

Not, die for. Kill for.

How is it glorious to kill someone?

It depends on why you are killing them.

[Andsed]

How is it glorious to kill someone?

It depends on why you are killing them.

Even if your fighting for a ¨good¨ cause killing someone is not glorious.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

So I thought you might want to hear a story. It takes place in WW2, in a battle in the Pacific.

There was a three star general riding through the the island and his Jeep had flag indicating he was a general, a sign of so-called glory.

The Japanese saw this and hit him with an artillery shell.

He was the highest ranking US officer to die in the war. Is there glory in such a death?

[United States of Americanas]

War is nothing more than a disgusting act rooted in our animalistic nature and shouldn't happen in the first place.

But, sometimes it is necessary. When facing death, defending yourself and your home is a necessary evil.

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Bloody listen to it you warmongering freaks of nature. Free Arabian Nation and few others in this thread have their brains wired properly.

WAR IS NEVER A SOLUTION.

WHEN I FIGHT A WAR I FIGHT IT IN A COURT ROOM WITH DOCKETS, PENS AND KEYBOARDS.

The continuation of armed conflict is what will lead to the total annihilation of all of earth. People claim that God will destroy earth and its peoples yet look at how much destruction people have done already. God is sitting back in his recliner in Heaven watching the earth security camera probably saying “They’re fucked, they’re gonna destroy themselves, charioteers and swordsmen go take a rest, we’re staying up here in the Heavens. Let them destroy themselves on their own cause they’re doing a damn good job at it already’

To quote a famous person “The future of wars will not be fought with arms or bombs but will be fought with computer keyboards and pens”

[Andsed]

War is nothing more than a disgusting act rooted in our animalistic nature and shouldn't happen in the first place.

But, sometimes it is necessary. When facing death, defending yourself and your home is a necessary evil.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/let-l ... 1039230545

Bloody listen to it you warmongering freaks of nature. Free Arabian Nation and few others in this thread have their brains wired properly.

WAR IS NEVER A SOLUTION.

WHEN I FIGHT A WAR I FIGHT IT IN A COURT ROOM WITH DOCKETS, PENS AND KEYBOARDS.

The continuation of armed conflict is what will lead to the total annihilation of all of earth. People claim that God will destroy earth and its peoples yet look at how much destruction people have done already. God is sitting back in his recliner in Heaven watching the earth security camera probably saying “They’re fucked, they’re gonna destroy themselves, charioteers and swordsmen go take a rest, we’re staying up here in the Heavens. Let them destroy themselves on their own cause they’re doing a damn good job at it already’

To quote a famous person “The future of wars will not be fought with arms or bombs but will be fought with computer keyboards and pens”

Well sometimes war is needed to stop even worse things. Look at WW2 war was unfounded needed to stop the Nazis. So sometimes armed conflict is necessary.

[Len Hyet]

War is nothing more than a disgusting act rooted in our animalistic nature and shouldn't happen in the first place.

But, sometimes it is necessary. When facing death, defending yourself and your home is a necessary evil.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/let-l ... 1039230545

Bloody listen to it you warmongering freaks of nature. Free Arabian Nation and few others in this thread have their brains wired properly.

WAR IS NEVER A SOLUTION.

WHEN I FIGHT A WAR I FIGHT IT IN A COURT ROOM WITH DOCKETS, PENS AND KEYBOARDS.

The continuation of armed conflict is what will lead to the total annihilation of all of earth. People claim that God will destroy earth and its peoples yet look at how much destruction people have done already. God is sitting back in his recliner in Heaven watching the earth security camera probably saying “They’re fucked, they’re gonna destroy themselves, charioteers and swordsmen go take a rest, we’re staying up here in the Heavens. Let them destroy themselves on their own cause they’re doing a damn good job at it already’

To quote a famous person “The future of wars will not be fought with arms or bombs but will be fought with computer keyboards and pens”

Funnily enough I don't know if keyboards and pens would have closed Auschwitz.

[The Huskar Social Union]

War is nothing more than a disgusting act rooted in our animalistic nature and shouldn't happen in the first place.

But, sometimes it is necessary. When facing death, defending yourself and your home is a necessary evil.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/let-l ... 1039230545

Bloody listen to it you warmongering freaks of nature. Free Arabian Nation and few others in this thread have their brains wired properly.

WAR IS NEVER A SOLUTION.

WHEN I FIGHT A WAR I FIGHT IT IN A COURT ROOM WITH DOCKETS, PENS AND KEYBOARDS.

The continuation of armed conflict is what will lead to the total annihilation of all of earth. People claim that God will destroy earth and its peoples yet look at how much destruction people have done already. God is sitting back in his recliner in Heaven watching the earth security camera probably saying “They’re fucked, they’re gonna destroy themselves, charioteers and swordsmen go take a rest, we’re staying up here in the Heavens. Let them destroy themselves on their own cause they’re doing a damn good job at it already’

To quote a famous person “The future of wars will not be fought with arms or bombs but will be fought with computer keyboards and pens”

War is most certainly a necessary from time to time.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Funnily enough I don't know if keyboards and pens would have closed Auschwitz.

Don’t you remember the time the SS was massacred by angry Americans with typewriters?

[Neanderthaland]

There's always something transcendent about throwing yourself so completely into an endeavor larger than yourself. As for glory... kind of? There's glorious things in there. Self-sacrifice, camaraderie, but set against a backdrop of the most horrible things humans can imagine to do to one another. Like diamonds embedded in pig shit.

[Tenkyoku]

The fascinating thing about war is how perception of it has changed considerably over time. For much of human history, it was generally viewed as a glorious and honourable affair, and its only more recently (historically speaking) that the idea of it as a horrific necessity really took hold. Now, considering how the world is, I would say that yeah, it is kind of necessary. Mainly because for it to end, every single power on Earth would have to give us their capacity for it, and mean it, and that includes paramilitary organisations and illegal organisations and heck, even if there were no professional soldiers around, people with weapons could still probably find some reason to fight each other with them. And all it takes is one power with a standing military to go and start the trend up all over again.

In any case, I don’t personally see it as glorious. I can see how people would, but I don’t myself. This is because I am physically weak, and not particularly patriotic, and a such if I were ever forced into war, I’m pretty sure I’d just get shot or die and not really feel like I’m fighting for a great cause. I mean, it depends. If my country were being invaded, maybe I’d feel desperate to defend it, but a war somewhere else? Not really. And that’s just make it easier to accept, not necessarily any more “glorious”.

So, in short, not really, no.

[Liriena]

Not really. At least not in itself. Propaganda, historiography and art do a very good and easy job of contemporaneously or posthumously glorifying it, giving it attractive aesthetics that erase its most heart-rending aspects, zeroing in on the heroic deeds of individual soldiers... but all in all, war is still an act of mass slaughter, often born from the interests of a dominant class which sees the soldiers as expendable tools for political or economic gain.

[Sskiss]

If it's too defend your land against invaders, then yes, I think it's fair to say it can be glorious fighting for something larger than yourself. Somethings it seems, are worth fighting for. As someone who is proud of my ethnic heritage (Celtic/Irish/ Scottish) I have made what I call "pilgrimages" to certain sites in Ireland, Scotland and France out of a deep and profound respect of my ancestry.

[Infected Mushroom]

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

So I thought you might want to hear a story. It takes place in WW2, in a battle in the Pacific.

There was a three star general riding through the the island and his Jeep had flag indicating he was a general, a sign of so-called glory.

The Japanese saw this and hit him with an artillery shell.

He was the highest ranking US officer to die in the war. Is there glory in such a death?

why wouldn't there be?

he was serving his country

how many of us can die, while serving and defending the nation?

[Infected Mushroom]

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

You wont find it glorious when a fighter bomber blows you to pieces or a tank shell hits you when fired from a few miles away and your left screaming on the ground with your legs blown off.

I'd be screaming in complete agony (and maybe die/pass out) but a part of me, somewhere deep down, will understand that I've made a sacrifice for the nation and take comfort in that

and that is what matters

[Diarcesia]

But that is just what I think so I ask you NSG. Do you think there is anything glorious about war?

What is a better way to paint maps with your color?

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

But that is just what I think so I ask you NSG. Do you think there is anything glorious about war?

What is a better way to paint maps with your color?

Uniting regional union. I find it way more satisfying to click "Renovatio Imperii" after tumultuous work, instead of coring everything through blood and debt. It is also infinitely more glorious morally, and I get this much greater sense of togetherness for one purpose.

[New haven america]

Nope.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You wont find it glorious when a fighter bomber blows you to pieces or a tank shell hits you when fired from a few miles away and your left screaming on the ground with your legs blown off.

I'd be screaming in complete agony (and maybe die/pass out) but a part of me, somewhere deep down, will understand that I've made a sacrifice for the nation and take comfort in that

and that is what matters

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[Esternial]

You wont find it glorious when a fighter bomber blows you to pieces or a tank shell hits you when fired from a few miles away and your left screaming on the ground with your legs blown off.

I'd be screaming in complete agony (and maybe die/pass out) but a part of me, somewhere deep down, will understand that I've made a sacrifice for the nation and take comfort in that

and that is what matters

So that 5% taking solace is enough for you to ignore the 95% screaming "ohgodnopleasenostop"

C'mon do you really expect us to take you seriously?

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

I'd be screaming in complete agony (and maybe die/pass out) but a part of me, somewhere deep down, will understand that I've made a sacrifice for the nation and take comfort in that

and that is what matters

So that 5% taking solace is enough for you to ignore the 95% screaming "ohgodnopleasenostop"

C'mon do you really expect us to take you seriously?

Eh, it feels pretty nice to be burned with patriotic fervor and die for The Rightful Cause, assuming you don spend timd thinking too much and your commanders know that. I mean, what's the alternative? Working in offices and pay debt is soo not 19th century.

[The Free Joy State]

You wont find it glorious when a fighter bomber blows you to pieces or a tank shell hits you when fired from a few miles away and your left screaming on the ground with your legs blown off.

I'd be screaming in complete agony (and maybe die/pass out) but a part of me, somewhere deep down, will understand that I've made a sacrifice for the nation and take comfort in that

and that is what matters

I can say -- pretty confidently -- that someone dying and screaming in unholy agony -- isn't taking time to think "but it's all for the nation". There's no time for patriotic fervour or pleasant distractions. Someone in agonising pain is only thinking about the pain, and "dear god, make it stop! Please make it stop!"

There's no glory in that.

[New haven america]

I'd be screaming in complete agony (and maybe die/pass out) but a part of me, somewhere deep down, will understand that I've made a sacrifice for the nation and take comfort in that

and that is what matters

I can say -- pretty confidently -- that someone dying and screaming in unholy agony -- isn't taking time to think "but it's all for the nation". There's no time for patriotic fervour or pleasant distractions. Someone in agonising pain is only thinking about the pain, and "dear god, make it stop! Please make it stop!"

There's no glory in that.

Actually, most vets of wars like WWII, Vietnam, etc... claim that most people who are dying call for their parents to help them, specifically the opposite gender parent (So since WWII for example was mostly fought by men, if they were on a battlefield around that time they'd most likely be hearing "Mommy! Mommy make it stop!").

[Alien Overlord]

I'd argue that there is still glory in war, irregardless. I think the real question is "Is that glory worth it?" I believe that the answer is wholly no. Saying there is no glory in war is incorrect, we have many stories of triumph and heroism and the like throughout history in war, so there is glory. But death is a tragedy and i don't think that in the end, its worth that glory.