Is there anything glorious about war?

[Andsed]

war is not about dying for your country; its making the other fucker die for his.

And doing so is glorious.

Not really. There is no glory in killing another human being.

[Loben]

And doing so is glorious.

Not really. There is no glory in killing another human being.

if said human being was trying to kill you, dare i'd say his death was needed.

[Big Jim P]

Not really. There is no glory in killing another human being.

if said human being was trying to kill you, dare i'd say his death was needed.

Thoroughly justified as well.

[Andsed]

Not really. There is no glory in killing another human being.

if said human being was trying to kill you, dare i'd say his death was needed.

It may be sometimes necessary or for a ¨good¨ cause but that does not make it glorious.

[Big Jim P]

if said human being was trying to kill you, dare i'd say his death was needed.

It may be sometimes necessary or for a ¨good¨ cause but that does not make it glorious.

Depends on the size of the bomb you use.

[Andsed]

It may be sometimes necessary or for a ¨good¨ cause but that does not make it glorious.

Depends on the size of the bomb you use.

Complete bullshit. Blowing up shit may look cool but your killing men. Men who may have family's at home and who have probably been forced to fight or manipulated by propaganda to fight. There is some glory in the brave actions of soldiers. But the killing and dying and destruction during war is not glorious. It is at best a necessary tragedy.

[Loben]

Depends on the size of the bomb you use.

Complete bullshit. Blowing up shit may look cool but your killing men. Men who may have family's at home and who have probably been forced to fight or manipulated by propaganda to fight. There is some glory in the brave actions of soldiers. But the killing and dying and destruction during war is not glorious. It is at best a necessary tragedy.

what are you so afraid of?

[Andsed]

Complete bullshit. Blowing up shit may look cool but your killing men. Men who may have family's at home and who have probably been forced to fight or manipulated by propaganda to fight. There is some glory in the brave actions of soldiers. But the killing and dying and destruction during war is not glorious. It is at best a necessary tragedy.

what are you so afraid of?

I am afraid of this complete disregard of the lives torn apart and suffering caused by war and instead this focus on ¨glory.¨ These kind of romanticized deluded ideas is one of the reason why wars can be so brutal and tragic.

[Lerenzia]

I'd say yes,but no in the modern day. War in the past used to be that of soldiers who spent their lives preparing for these events,a meeting in a field and a show of strategy bravery and tactical knowledge,World war I changed everything,millions of Civilians who'd never seen a battlefield,could not even come close to being prepared were sent to die in the trenches.And in world war 2 total war destroyed any glory or honor in war.
I find it poetic really,that the Honor in war would go down with the blazing flames of the old world,taking with it the old empires of Europe.

[Infected Mushroom]

Remember back in the olden days when before a battle starts the commanders of the two opposing sides (and some hosts/guards) would ride out on horses to meet in the middle of the field to trash talk each other before riding back to order the troops to commence the battle?

There was an unspoken code of honour that during the meeting/trash talk there would be no fighting yet and there were ritualistic rules about how many guards you brought and what constituted fair trash talk.

Its very unfortunate that in modern war this no longer happens.

It does make it less glorious.

And in that scenario you would be a soldier who would probably die of the horror shits or some other illness long before you reached the battlefield.

If you reached the battlefield, you would probably get rode down and killed. You might get a wound in which case infection, sepsis and the horror shits again leads to your death.

If your lot won, you might make it home without contracting the horror shits on the way.

If you were very, very lucky indeed you might even be part of the mob that yanks one of the chinless wonder nobles on the other side off their horse. Then you might get a decent cut of the ransom.

As for honour or glory, nah. Those are all just post hoc bullshit justifications bleated out by a bunch of inbred pillocks so they can grab more land or power.

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

[Andsed]

And in that scenario you would be a soldier who would probably die of the horror shits or some other illness long before you reached the battlefield.

If you reached the battlefield, you would probably get rode down and killed. You might get a wound in which case infection, sepsis and the horror shits again leads to your death.

If your lot won, you might make it home without contracting the horror shits on the way.

If you were very, very lucky indeed you might even be part of the mob that yanks one of the chinless wonder nobles on the other side off their horse. Then you might get a decent cut of the ransom.

As for honour or glory, nah. Those are all just post hoc bullshit justifications bleated out by a bunch of inbred pillocks so they can grab more land or power.

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

No it´s not. It is horrific and tragic. IM you have clearly seen way to many war movies. War is not and has never been glorious or honorable.

[Big Jim P]

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

No it´s not. It is horrific and tragic. IM you have clearly seen way to many war movies. War is not and has never been glorious or honorable.

Fighting to defend your homeland is both.

[Andsed]

No it´s not. It is horrific and tragic. IM you have clearly seen way to many war movies. War is not and has never been glorious or honorable.

Fighting to defend your homeland is both.

It seems that way until you realize your only really fighting for your government.

[Big Jim P]

Fighting to defend your homeland is both.

It seems that way until you realize your only really fighting for your government.

If the government is fighting to defend the homeland, what's the difference?

[Andsed]

It seems that way until you realize your only really fighting for your government.

If the government is fighting to defend the homeland, what's the difference?

Because the government the majority of the time the government is only fighting for its own self interest.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

No it´s not. It is horrific and tragic. IM you have clearly seen way to many war movies. War is not and has never been glorious or honorable.

I’ve watched movies that portray events that actually happened. They definitely are going to be less brutal than the real thing, but they don’t make war look glorious, just bloody. IM has clearly mistaken video games and things that never happen for real life.

[Big Jim P]

If the government is fighting to defend the homeland, what's the difference?

Because the government the majority of the time the government is only fighting for its own self interest.

Defending ones homeland is in the individuals self-interest as well.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

1. Does the enemy intend to attack, loot the shops, rape the citizen and seize colonial control on my city? [if=yes,no[yes=go to no.4][no=go to no.2]]
2. Do you fight to advance the 'collective interest' of your country? [if=yes,no[yes=go to no.5][no=go to no.3]]
3. Do you fight for your ideology, religion, and other similar causes? [if=yes,no[yes=go to no.5][no=go to no.5]]
4. It's glorious to fight.
5. Fuck no.

[Andsed]

Because the government the majority of the time the government is only fighting for its own self interest.

Defending ones homeland is in the individuals self-interest as well.

Okay? That does not make war in any way glorious. The soldiers and their actions may be considered glorious but the actual war and the dying and killing is at best a necessary tragedy.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

Because the government the majority of the time the government is only fighting for its own self interest.

Defending ones homeland is in the individuals self-interest as well.

Kinda depends, fighting a war is as glorious as protecting your kids from tiger, assuming the goal is the same.

[Belshekistan]

Uhhhh, yeah. Literally everything. Any true patriot should consider it an honor to die for his/her country. And if you're not willing to die for your country, then move to one you would be willing to die for.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And in that scenario you would be a soldier who would probably die of the horror shits or some other illness long before you reached the battlefield.

If you reached the battlefield, you would probably get rode down and killed. You might get a wound in which case infection, sepsis and the horror shits again leads to your death.

If your lot won, you might make it home without contracting the horror shits on the way.

If you were very, very lucky indeed you might even be part of the mob that yanks one of the chinless wonder nobles on the other side off their horse. Then you might get a decent cut of the ransom.

As for honour or glory, nah. Those are all just post hoc bullshit justifications bleated out by a bunch of inbred pillocks so they can grab more land or power.

I would still consider it a glorious death

I’d be okay with going out in such a way, whether on the battlefield or in some capacity while on duty

Death by illness, if it’s while you are serving the nation, is still glorious

You wont find it glorious when a fighter bomber blows you to pieces or a tank shell hits you when fired from a few miles away and your left screaming on the ground with your legs blown off.

[Big Jim P]

Uhhhh, yeah. Literally everything. Any true patriot should consider it an honor to die for his/her country. And if you're not willing to die for your country, then move to one you would be willing to die for.

Not, die for. Kill for.

[Andsed]

Uhhhh, yeah. Literally everything. Any true patriot should consider it an honor to die for his/her country. And if you're not willing to die for your country, then move to one you would be willing to die for.

Not, die for. Kill for.

How is it glorious to kill someone?

[Belshekistan]

Uhhhh, yeah. Literally everything. Any true patriot should consider it an honor to die for his/her country. And if you're not willing to die for your country, then move to one you would be willing to die for.

Not, die for. Kill for.

You make a compelling argument, good sir.