Is there anything glorious about war?

[Gig em Aggies]

The whole aesthetic. Beating the stuffing out of your enemies for the honor, safety and freedom of your people. Only wars fought with this in mind can be glorious; wars of colonialism or conquest for the sake of conquest are not.

you know this brings about a curious quandry how can you fit is there anything glorious about war. into Star Wars not getting into minute details or sentiments towards any side just stating the majority feeling within the franchise itself

1. The Rebellion is viewed like a terror organization backed by the Republic before they (The Republic) were destroyed by the 1st Order
2. the millions of lives taken by the rebellion to bring down but a few tyrannical leaders (Death Star I & II, as well as Star Killer Base)
3. brainwashed civilians into armed revolt against the leadership in an otherwise peaceful society
4. "worshipped" a religious organization (The Jedi Order) that brainwashed children into becoming killers and manipulators

I could go on but what do you think in the context of the thread from the points I have listed?

[Kannap]

You're painfully delusional, but that's likely because you've never fought in a war.

There's a reason so many people suffer from PTSD. War isn't glorious. It's dirty. Lines get muddled, kids get blown to ribbons because they could have been holding a weapon.

Glorifying war to the extend you do is just a tad disrespectful mate.

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

I think if you leave war without PTSD, there's something incredibly wrong with you. I can't imagine the mindset you'd need to be in to be truly unaffected by war, at least a little bit. And war is hardly great.

Strongly recommend reading Kurt Vonnegut's books, particularly Slaughterhouse-Five and Mother Night.

[Azlaake]

NOT GLORIOUS, VICTORIOUS

[Kannap]

NOT GLORIOUS, VICTORIOUS

[Azlaake]

NOT GLORIOUS, VICTORIOUS

I was more referring to the song by PANIC! AT THE DISCO!!!!!!!!!

[Kannap]

I was more referring to the song by PANIC! AT THE DISCO!!!!!!!!!

But then you miss out on the teen drama.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I think if you leave war without PTSD, there's something incredibly wrong with you. I can't imagine the mindset you'd need to be in to be truly unaffected by war, at least a little bit. And war is hardly great.

Strongly recommend reading Kurt Vonnegut's books, particularly Slaughterhouse-Five and Mother Night.

According to the VA, the percentage of veterans with PTSD varies by the war they served during, but it’s between 11 and 20% for the wars they have listed. PTSD isn’t just regret, fear, or sadness. It’s not minor at all. There are other problems, such as poverty that make veterans’ lives harder.

[Auristania]

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

I think if you leave war without PTSD, there's something incredibly wrong with you. I can't imagine the mindset you'd need to be in to be truly unaffected by war, at least a little bit. And war is hardly great.

Strongly recommend reading Kurt Vonnegut's books, particularly Slaughterhouse-Five and Mother Night.

WTF??? Blame the victim. A survivor hasn't suffered enough so you demand they get extra punishment UNTIL they feel the correct amount of PTSD that you demand from your soldiers. Thank you very much Captain Janeway.

[Nietzschean Jihad]

I think that Julius Evola once formulated why war can be attractive to some. The reason is that war is the ultimate test to what is more important in your life - either a cause or an idea, or your own safety (your life). Some people crave finding this out for themselves, that's why war might be attractive.

[Purpelia]

Yes yes you're very virtuous and all people deserve to live and blah blah blah.

Tell it to the Nazis bub.

God no. The absolute vast majority of people are scum. It's literally in our nature to be that way. That's why we have greed, capitalism, crime and ultimately war. But that does not mean we have the right to go murdering each other. Bottom line is that even the worst of the nazis and ISIS are just the same as we are. And thus whilst it is some times necessary to murder them it can newer be glorious or good to do so. Only a necessary evil like chemotherapy.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Yes yes you're very virtuous and all people deserve to live and blah blah blah.

Tell it to the Nazis bub.

God no. The absolute vast majority of people are scum. It's literally in our nature to be that way. That's why we have greed, capitalism, crime and ultimately war. But that does not mean we have the right to go murdering each other.

Well, the Allies saved entire ethnic groups by declaring war on Germany. They did some bad things but prevented the death of hundreds of millions, if not a billion people. Most of them were civilians in Allied countries. You may consider many actions they did murder, but the results showed the Allies did more good than bad.

[Andsed]

Yes yes you're very virtuous and all people deserve to live and blah blah blah.

Tell it to the Nazis bub.

God no. The absolute vast majority of people are scum. It's literally in our nature to be that way. That's why we have greed, capitalism, crime and ultimately war. But that does not mean we have the right to go murdering each other. Bottom line is that even the worst of the nazis and ISIS are just the same as we are. And thus whilst it is some times necessary to murder them it can newer be glorious or good to do so. Only a necessary evil like chemotherapy.

This is the most Misanthropy I have seen in an NSG post holy shit. No the vast majority of people are not total scumbags and to suggest so is just edgy nonsense.

[The Srovsk State]

If you think about it, the only thing war does is to benefit a country through violent means.
It was never about glory, if you ask a war veteran about how glorious war he/she would most likely say
that their is nothing good or glorious about war and that they were only fighting for their home country or
for their family.

[Infected Mushroom]

Remember back in the olden days when before a battle starts the commanders of the two opposing sides (and some hosts/guards) would ride out on horses to meet in the middle of the field to trash talk each other before riding back to order the troops to commence the battle?

There was an unspoken code of honour that during the meeting/trash talk there would be no fighting yet and there were ritualistic rules about how many guards you brought and what constituted fair trash talk.

Its very unfortunate that in modern war this no longer happens.

It does make it less glorious.

[Hurdergaryp]

Remember back in the olden days when before a battle starts the commanders of the two opposing sides (and some hosts/guards) would ride out on horses to meet in the middle of the field to trash talk each other before riding back to order the troops to commence the battle?

There was an unspoken code of honour that during the meeting/trash talk there would be no fighting yet and there were ritualistic rules about how many guards you brought and what constituted fair trash talk.

Its very unfortunate that in modern war this no longer happens.

It does make it less glorious.

Ah, the romantic idea of "civilized" warfare. In reality wars have always been a horrible mess, of course.

[Andsed]

Remember back in the olden days when before a battle starts the commanders of the two opposing sides (and some hosts/guards) would ride out on horses to meet in the middle of the field to trash talk each other before riding back to order the troops to commence the battle?

There was an unspoken code of honour that during the meeting/trash talk there would be no fighting yet and there were ritualistic rules about how many guards you brought and what constituted fair trash talk.

Its very unfortunate that in modern war this no longer happens.

It does make it less glorious.

That is nothing more than a romanticized view of ancient warfare.

[Infected Mushroom]

Remember back in the olden days when before a battle starts the commanders of the two opposing sides (and some hosts/guards) would ride out on horses to meet in the middle of the field to trash talk each other before riding back to order the troops to commence the battle?

There was an unspoken code of honour that during the meeting/trash talk there would be no fighting yet and there were ritualistic rules about how many guards you brought and what constituted fair trash talk.

Its very unfortunate that in modern war this no longer happens.

It does make it less glorious.

That is nothing more than a romanticized view of ancient warfare.

it was definitely more romantic than it is now

you had soldiers who carried flags into battle, bright uniforms, drummer boys

the commanders rode around on handsome horses with swords and there were lots of unspoken rules like how you weren't supposed to shoot at certain people; important structured rituals like the opposing commanders having pre-battle meetings to declare the righteousness of their cause against each other

nowadays, there is no more of that

you would snipe at whoever you can kill, its been replaced with a cold win at all cost mentality and the carnage has multiplied a thousand fold

[Big Jim P]

Avoiding it, or ending it.

Winning it. *nod*

[Heloin]

Remember back in the olden days when before a battle starts the commanders of the two opposing sides (and some hosts/guards) would ride out on horses to meet in the middle of the field to trash talk each other before riding back to order the troops to commence the battle?

There was an unspoken code of honour that during the meeting/trash talk there would be no fighting yet and there were ritualistic rules about how many guards you brought and what constituted fair trash talk.

Its very unfortunate that in modern war this no longer happens.

It does make it less glorious.

That never happened. I know it's one battle during the Punic Wars that make people think that ever happened but it didn't happen even for that battle.

[Andsed]

That is nothing more than a romanticized view of ancient warfare.

it was definitely more romantic than it is now

you had soldiers who carried flags into battle, bright uniforms, drummer boys

the commanders rode around on handsome horses with swords and there were lots of unspoken rules like how you weren't supposed to shoot at certain people; important structured rituals like the opposing commanders having pre-battle meetings to declare the righteousness of their cause against each other

nowadays, there is no more of that

you would snipe at whoever you can kill, its been replaced with a cold win at all cost mentality and the carnage has multiplied a thousand fold

Again this is all very romanticized. Soldiers carried flags into battle and wore bright uniforms to make sure the men would not kill their own comrades. The drummer boys were used to help get orders across. The commanders rode on horses because they needed to see the battle to give orders and the horses would allow them to escape if things went bad. Many of these rituals were rarely followed as commanders do not care about honor they care about winning. And the only thing true about your last statement is that modern technology has made war more destructive.

[Heloin]

That is nothing more than a romanticized view of ancient warfare.

it was definitely more romantic than it is now

you had soldiers who carried flags into battle, bright uniforms, drummer boys

All of that was just show you could see what side to shot at with all the the black powder and dust kicked into the air.

the commanders rode around on handsome horses with swords and there were lots of unspoken rules like how you weren't supposed to shoot at certain people; important structured rituals like the opposing commanders having pre-battle meetings to declare the righteousness of their cause against each other

There weren't unspoken rules, it just at the time didn't always make tatical sense to kill the commanding General. In Battles were it did General's would be targeted.

nowadays, there is no more of that

Didn't happen before hand.

you would snipe at whoever you can kill, its been replaced with a cold win at all cost mentality and the carnage has multiplied a thousand fold

In order; Already happening, already happening, no that's gone done actually.

[Caracasus]

Remember back in the olden days when before a battle starts the commanders of the two opposing sides (and some hosts/guards) would ride out on horses to meet in the middle of the field to trash talk each other before riding back to order the troops to commence the battle?

There was an unspoken code of honour that during the meeting/trash talk there would be no fighting yet and there were ritualistic rules about how many guards you brought and what constituted fair trash talk.

Its very unfortunate that in modern war this no longer happens.

It does make it less glorious.

And in that scenario you would be a soldier who would probably die of the horror shits or some other illness long before you reached the battlefield.

If you reached the battlefield, you would probably get rode down and killed. You might get a wound in which case infection, sepsis and the horror shits again leads to your death.

If your lot won, you might make it home without contracting the horror shits on the way.

If you were very, very lucky indeed you might even be part of the mob that yanks one of the chinless wonder nobles on the other side off their horse. Then you might get a decent cut of the ransom.

As for honour or glory, nah. Those are all just post hoc bullshit justifications bleated out by a bunch of inbred pillocks so they can grab more land or power.

[Loben]

war is not about dying for your country; its making the other fucker die for his.

[Big Jim P]

war is not about dying for your country; its making the other fucker die for his.

And doing so is glorious.

[Loben]

war is not about dying for your country; its making the other fucker die for his.

And doing so is glorious.

yes.

victory is a strange sort of happiness.