Is there anything glorious about war?

[Woodfiredpizzas]

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/metro.c ... 52569/amp/

There’s definitely glory there.

[Neanderthaland]

"People say war is hell. That is not true. War is war and hell is hell but the only difference is that in hell innocent people don't get hurt."
-Unknown

That's MASH

[Risottia]

There is no better way to die than to die protecting the nation and people you love

If you die trying to protect anyone, you're not protecting them anymore after you snuff it. That is, you or your commanders screwed up.

[Borovan3]

Even if you end up fighting for what you think you believe in and for your country, if you end up getting brutally injured, there's nothing nice about that

[SD_Film Artists]

Certain actions of bravery, patriotism, innovation and resilience are certainly glorious; though whether a given war is justified is a very different question.

[Esternial]

Yes some do not get PTSD. But war is not some cool adventure. It is one of the most horrific and scariest things someone could ever go through. I am not a veteran but I know this much. When you fight you see horrific things that no man should see.

the way I see it, you will be part of something much greater than anything you can possibly see in the civilian realm

yes there will be horrors for sure

There are plenty of arguments against this.

For one, if you dedicated yourself to a field of science you can achieve much more than a single soldier in the military.

If you're part of the research group that contributed to a treatment for cancer you're part of something much greater than a military unit.

[Nimzonia]

I think even the entire concept of "glory" is a bit shit, to be honest.

[Ifreann]

Plenty of people do admirable things. Why is it only glorious when they do something admirable in war? You never hear people talk about how glorious civil rights leaders are. No one ever describes scientific achievements as glorious.

A momentary online search for "glorious scientific discoveries" says otherwise. Some of the hits are spurious, of course, but many are spot on.

And likewise honour. Everyone has their own ethics and principles, but we only call certain types of behaviour honourable. And shock horror, we base that on our ideas of how certain warrior castes behaved. European knights or Japanese samurai and their codes of ethics(more specifically, what we believe their codes of ethics were) inform what we consider to be honourable.

Actually, no. They inform some of what we consider honorable, but not all of it. Duelling, for example, seems to have independently evolved in a number of societies to allow individuals to settle disputes in a formal way without killing innocents. Duelling showed up in places without warrior castes, and persisted in places where they died off (eg, the UK and its colonies, like America) because it served a useful social function.

Other ideas of honor, like "fair fights" and not shooting people in the back, likewise seem to have been invented many, many times, because people don't want to die. Still other parts of honor codes, which have nothing to do with killing, for example, providing food and shelter to strangers, seem to show up a lot in areas very low population density, usually because of rugged terrain (mountains and deserts specifically). Sometimes this is extended to hiding strangers from people pursuing them, which often speaks volumes about the lack of central governments and/or effective jurisprudence.

Unsurprisingly, there's a huge literature on honor and honor codes. You might try reading it, Iffy. Not that knowing what one is talking about has ever been a requirement on NSG.

Good point, I suppose I don't really know as much about this as I thought.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You're painfully delusional, but that's likely because you've never fought in a war.

There's a reason so many people suffer from PTSD. War isn't glorious. It's dirty. Lines get muddled, kids get blown to ribbons because they could have been holding a weapon.

Glorifying war to the extend you do is just a tad disrespectful mate.

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

This is peak fucking delusion and ignorance.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

This is peak fucking delusion and ignorance.

Like I’m gonna genuinly angry about it

[Caracasus]

You're painfully delusional, but that's likely because you've never fought in a war.

There's a reason so many people suffer from PTSD. War isn't glorious. It's dirty. Lines get muddled, kids get blown to ribbons because they could have been holding a weapon.

Glorifying war to the extend you do is just a tad disrespectful mate.

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

I really don't think you fully understand war, or glory.

If you wind up in the army, firstly there's a pretty good chance that you won't actually see much in the way of fighting. The army employs thousands of people whose job it is to keep everything working.

If you do wind up at the pointy end, again a lot of your time would be doing stuff other than fighting. You'd get really good at killing boredom and time.

When you are actually in danger of getting shot at, what you'd mostly be doing is following your training and trying not to think about what would happen if a bomb does go off nearby.

That's kind of besides the point though. Odds are in the army you'd likely be in charge of going to get the long weights from storage.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This is peak fucking delusion and ignorance.

Like I’m gonna genuinly angry about it

It’s IM after all. He has no experience of war and has probably binged too much Game of Thrones for his own good. If he had experience of war, he wouldn’t be posting such rosy colored crap.

[Andsed]

This is peak fucking delusion and ignorance.

Like I’m gonna genuinly angry about it

Same it is very disrespectful to those suffering from PTSD. Also I saw you mention you and your husband got fucked up by war. Do you two happen to be Veterans?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Like I’m gonna genuinly angry about it

Same it is very disrespectful to those suffering from PTSD. Also I saw you mention you and your husband got fucked up by war. Do you two happen to be Veterans?

Both UN Peacekeepers
In some ways better then fighting a war, in some ways worse

[Andsed]

Same it is very disrespectful to those suffering from PTSD. Also I saw you mention you and your husband got fucked up by war. Do you two happen to be Veterans?

Both UN Peacekeepers
In some ways better then fighting a war, in some ways worse

Ah well thank your service. It does honestly piss me off when people like IM act like war is some cool adventure instead of the terrifying horror it is.

[Ifreann]

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

I really don't think you fully understand war, or glory.

If you wind up in the army, firstly there's a pretty good chance that you won't actually see much in the way of fighting. The army employs thousands of people whose job it is to keep everything working.

If you do wind up at the pointy end, again a lot of your time would be doing stuff other than fighting. You'd get really good at killing boredom and time.

When you are actually in danger of getting shot at, what you'd mostly be doing is following your training and trying not to think about what would happen if a bomb does go off nearby.

That's kind of besides the point though. Odds are in the army you'd likely be in charge of going to get the long weights from storage.

I remember a parody video from a few years ago, possibly from College Humour, taking the piss out of the then up and coming modern warfare shooter genre with a fake review of a fictional new COD. Gameplay involved spending hours standing at a checkpoint, staring at a dirt road through an otherwise empty patch of desert, before getting shot dead out of nowhere and the game ending.

Glorious!

[Purpelia]

There is no glory in war because there is no glory in murder. And war is just murder on an industrial scale. Every participant in war, from the one doing the actual killing to the people on the home front making the munitions and tinned food he needs to do it are all equally culpable in the deed. And even in times when there is no war, every single member of the armed forces and their contractors are culpable of enabling future murder.

So no. Unless you are one of those people that fetishizes serial killers there is nothing good about war.

[Heloin]

I really don't think you fully understand war, or glory.

If you wind up in the army, firstly there's a pretty good chance that you won't actually see much in the way of fighting. The army employs thousands of people whose job it is to keep everything working.

If you do wind up at the pointy end, again a lot of your time would be doing stuff other than fighting. You'd get really good at killing boredom and time.

When you are actually in danger of getting shot at, what you'd mostly be doing is following your training and trying not to think about what would happen if a bomb does go off nearby.

That's kind of besides the point though. Odds are in the army you'd likely be in charge of going to get the long weights from storage.

I remember a parody video from a few years ago, possibly from College Humour, taking the piss out of the then up and coming modern warfare shooter genre with a fake review of a fictional new COD. Gameplay involved spending hours standing at a checkpoint, staring at a dirt road through an otherwise empty patch of desert, before getting shot dead out of nowhere and the game ending.

Glorious!

Sounds like a typical game of ARMA.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

This isn’t even funny, just plain insulting. Some fat or weak guy(assuming it’s not something else keeping you from the army) thinking WW3 will be fun. PTSD doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t have joined the military. It means war is cruel, not that there’s anything wrong that you did. You’d be the kind of person that thinks it’ll be easy, complains constantly, and then something goes wrong. You can’t judge a person on whether they would sign up, only on why the would or wouldn’t. Personal glory is a tribute to an ego. Recognition of our heros is honoring people who did what we probably couldn’t. Taking their sacrifices so lightly is disrespectful.

[Caracasus]

I really don't think you fully understand war, or glory.

If you wind up in the army, firstly there's a pretty good chance that you won't actually see much in the way of fighting. The army employs thousands of people whose job it is to keep everything working.

If you do wind up at the pointy end, again a lot of your time would be doing stuff other than fighting. You'd get really good at killing boredom and time.

When you are actually in danger of getting shot at, what you'd mostly be doing is following your training and trying not to think about what would happen if a bomb does go off nearby.

That's kind of besides the point though. Odds are in the army you'd likely be in charge of going to get the long weights from storage.

I remember a parody video from a few years ago, possibly from College Humour, taking the piss out of the then up and coming modern warfare shooter genre with a fake review of a fictional new COD. Gameplay involved spending hours standing at a checkpoint, staring at a dirt road through an otherwise empty patch of desert, before getting shot dead out of nowhere and the game ending.

Glorious!

I think the lesson learned here is that more or less any depiction of real life in videogames, movies or frankly any entertainment is pretty far removed from reality.

[Len Hyet]

There is no glory in war because there is no glory in murder. And war is just murder on an industrial scale. Every participant in war, from the one doing the actual killing to the people on the home front making the munitions and tinned food he needs to do it are all equally culpable in the deed. And even in times when there is no war, every single member of the armed forces and their contractors are culpable of enabling future murder.

So no. Unless you are one of those people that fetishizes serial killers there is nothing good about war.

Yes yes you're very virtuous and all people deserve to live and blah blah blah.

Tell it to the Nazis bub.

[Loben]

There is no glory in war because there is no glory in murder. And war is just murder on an industrial scale. Every participant in war, from the one doing the actual killing to the people on the home front making the munitions and tinned food he needs to do it are all equally culpable in the deed. And even in times when there is no war, every single member of the armed forces and their contractors are culpable of enabling future murder.

So no. Unless you are one of those people that fetishizes serial killers there is nothing good about war.

Yes yes you're very virtuous and all people deserve to live and blah blah blah.

Tell it to the Nazis bub.

and communists....

[Hurdergaryp]

I'm southern so I think dieing whall fighting for you Country is one of the most honorable ways to go.

*dying while

And who cares if you leave with "Honor"

Honour tends to be favorite with those who have no qualms about slaughtering citizens on a massive scale, so it's a morally bankrupt principle.

[Bear Stearns]

Depends on the war.

[Rezmaeristan]

The whole aesthetic. Beating the stuffing out of your enemies for the honor, safety and freedom of your people. Only wars fought with this in mind can be glorious; wars of colonialism or conquest for the sake of conquest are not.