Is there anything glorious about war?

[Esternial]

The whole thing just seems pretty glorious to me

The uniforms, the sounds of all the weapons (tanks, firearms, aircraft, helicopters, mobile artillery), the camaraderie, the shouting of commands through radios, the killing etc

sure you could end up with the short end of the stick and die as soon as you enter the combat zone but that's what makes the whole thing unpredictable

serving on one of those massively powerful destroyers must be a fantastic experience (one of those things has enough firepower onboard to destroy an entire army probably if given the chance to fire first)...

You're painfully delusional, but that's likely because you've never fought in a war.

There's a reason so many people suffer from PTSD. War isn't glorious. It's dirty. Lines get muddled, kids get blown to ribbons because they could have been holding a weapon.

Glorifying war to the extend you do is just a tad disrespectful mate.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Terrorism is now justified if you end up with a country that lasts a bit? If ISUS got international recognition and Russia didn’t smash it into the ground, would the resented terrorists be right?

You don't have a clue about what the hell you're talking about. The IRA of 1919-1922 and the Provisional IRA are two totally separate things. Terrorism is unlawful, however the IRA (1919-1922) was acting lawfully to defend Ireland from foreign occupiers, ergo not terrorism.
Being martyred in the fight to liberate your people is the only glorious way for anyone to die.

Weren't you saying that the Provisional IRA weren't terrorists in the UK politics thread the other day?

[United Muscovite Nations]

No.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You don't have a clue about what the hell you're talking about. The IRA of 1919-1922 and the Provisional IRA are two totally separate things. Terrorism is unlawful, however the IRA (1919-1922) was acting lawfully to defend Ireland from foreign occupiers, ergo not terrorism.
Being martyred in the fight to liberate your people is the only glorious way for anyone to die.

Weren't you saying that the Provisional IRA weren't terrorists in the UK politics thread the other day?

Yes he was.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Not glorious per say, but sometimes necessary as an absolute last resort.

[The New California Republic]

Weren't you saying that the Provisional IRA weren't terrorists in the UK politics thread the other day?

Yes he was.

Consistency is not their strong suit.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

There can be rare moments of glory, yes. Usually pertaining to heroism of some sorts.

Though that doesn't stop most of it from being a very horrible, yet unfortunately sometimes necessary, affair.

[Skarten]

Fuck having admiration for people's deeds and having personal codes of ethics,amirite?

Plenty of people do admirable things. Why is it only glorious when they do something admirable in war? You never hear people talk about how glorious civil rights leaders are. No one ever describes scientific achievements as glorious. The only other thing besides war that involves glory is sporting competitions. Win gold and bring glory to your country! Help us promote nationalism by wrapping you in the flag as we do with soldiers.

And likewise honour. Everyone has their own ethics and principles, but we only call certain types of behaviour honourable. And shock horror, we base that on our ideas of how certain warrior castes behaved. European knights or Japanese samurai and their codes of ethics(more specifically, what we believe their codes of ethics were) inform what we consider to be honourable. The Swiss Guard dying to cover the escape of the Pope are honourable, but the mercenaries who killed them, the mercenaries who had been denied their payment and had turned to looting, are not. Why? Were the mercenaries not following their own personal codes of ethics?

The difference is that the mercenaries purposefully attacked Rome itself after a mutiny, with an desire to sack it. The whole point of mercenaries is that they have no code of ethics, they are hired guns. Or swords. Or halberds. You get the point. It's like saying that going and robbing a store is justified because your boss didn't pay you this month. You're comparing apples to oranges. But hey, who cares, because believing in a actual rightful cause which you are willing to risk your life for is for losers, and totally the same thing as just doing something for your own personal gain.

[Andsed]

Plenty of people do admirable things. Why is it only glorious when they do something admirable in war? You never hear people talk about how glorious civil rights leaders are. No one ever describes scientific achievements as glorious. The only other thing besides war that involves glory is sporting competitions. Win gold and bring glory to your country! Help us promote nationalism by wrapping you in the flag as we do with soldiers.

And likewise honour. Everyone has their own ethics and principles, but we only call certain types of behaviour honourable. And shock horror, we base that on our ideas of how certain warrior castes behaved. European knights or Japanese samurai and their codes of ethics(more specifically, what we believe their codes of ethics were) inform what we consider to be honourable. The Swiss Guard dying to cover the escape of the Pope are honourable, but the mercenaries who killed them, the mercenaries who had been denied their payment and had turned to looting, are not. Why? Were the mercenaries not following their own personal codes of ethics?

The difference is that the mercenaries purposefully attacked Rome itself after a mutiny, with an desire to sack it. The whole point of mercenaries is that they have no code of ethics, they are hired guns. Or swords. Or halberds. You get the point. It's like saying that going and robbing a store is justified because your boss didn't pay you this month. You're comparing apples to oranges. But hey, who cares, because believing in a actual rightful cause which you are willing to risk your life for is for losers, and totally the same thing as just doing something for your own personal gain.

TBH there is rarely ever a ¨right cause¨ in war. Occasionally like in WW2 it might happen but most of the time wars are fought because a nation wanted to expand or political shenanigans.

[Skarten]

The difference is that the mercenaries purposefully attacked Rome itself after a mutiny, with an desire to sack it. The whole point of mercenaries is that they have no code of ethics, they are hired guns. Or swords. Or halberds. You get the point. It's like saying that going and robbing a store is justified because your boss didn't pay you this month. You're comparing apples to oranges. But hey, who cares, because believing in a actual rightful cause which you are willing to risk your life for is for losers, and totally the same thing as just doing something for your own personal gain.

TBH there is rarely ever a ¨right cause¨ in war. Occasionally like in WW2 it might happen but most of the time wars are fought because a nation wanted to expand or political shenanigans.

Yeah, well what about when an nation is defending themselves from an invader. I'd say that's usually considered a right cause, you know what i mean. For example, when the Balkans were being invaded by the Ottomans, or when the Polish fought back against the Mongol Invasion.

[Caracasus]

Occasionally violence is the only real answer, and although we should be working towards war not being a thing we do as a species, we aren't there yet. Wars are occasionally neccessary.

Glorious? No, not really.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

War...

(Huh!)

What is it good for?

Technological leaps!

[El-Amin Caliphate]

War...

(Huh!)

What is it good for?

Absolutely Nothin!

(That's a great song)

[Saiwania]

There is nothing more glorious (provided you're on the winning side). I'm firmly of the "Sozin" mindset. "In our hands is the most successful empire in history, it's time we expanded it." You get more resources and people to exploit with more territory. Its great if you can maintain or hold it together.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I personally find nothing glorious about war. It has been sometimes a necessary evil in history but I can’t glorify it in any way.

[Kannap]

Nah, war is a pathetic waste of time and there's nothing glorious about it. The idea of glorifying war is awful and in reality war is awful and gruesome and not glorifying at all.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

It makes for rattling good history.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

War is an unfortunate inevitability and necessity, but it is rarely glorious.

And that’s saying it as somebody who wants to join the military.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

War is incredibly interesting, and fun to wargame.

But actual war is neither glorious nor good.

[Stellar Colonies]

Fun in a game, less fun in real life.

Ideally, wars should be as limited and rare as possible.

[Stellar Colonies]

War...

(Huh!)

What is it good for?

Technological leaps!

Probably the only real benefit.

[Infected Mushroom]

The whole thing just seems pretty glorious to me

The uniforms, the sounds of all the weapons (tanks, firearms, aircraft, helicopters, mobile artillery), the camaraderie, the shouting of commands through radios, the killing etc

sure you could end up with the short end of the stick and die as soon as you enter the combat zone but that's what makes the whole thing unpredictable

serving on one of those massively powerful destroyers must be a fantastic experience (one of those things has enough firepower onboard to destroy an entire army probably if given the chance to fire first)...

You're painfully delusional, but that's likely because you've never fought in a war.

There's a reason so many people suffer from PTSD. War isn't glorious. It's dirty. Lines get muddled, kids get blown to ribbons because they could have been holding a weapon.

Glorifying war to the extend you do is just a tad disrespectful mate.

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

War and it’s death toll is never glorious.

[Infected Mushroom]

There is nothing more glorious (provided you're on the winning side). I'm firmly of the "Sozin" mindset. "In our hands is the most successful empire in history, it's time we expanded it." You get more resources and people to exploit with more territory. Its great if you can maintain or hold it together.

Yes

And even if you lose, there is something unbelievably glorious about defending a stronghold/island fortification while completely outnumbered and hopeless. The ennemy will come and destroy us but STILL, we will fight! Now that is Glory.

Even in the face of overwhelming odds you literally get to cry “for the empire!” and go down fighting. There are only a few ways to feel more alive in life.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

I think that If you get PTSD, it just means that war is not for you (and that’s fine)

You are still worthy of honor, glory, and praise for participating in the greatest endeavor (combat for the nation)

In fact, I myself may get PTSD too if I joined, fought and came back. But it’s the price to pay for greatness sometimes.

It’s too bad the real army won’t take me in because of fitness issues. But when the next major war comes around I doubt they’ll be this picky. Then I’ll join and either I will be killed (and be part of eternal glory) or I come home a hero. If it turns out otherwise i will accept all the I Told You Sos in good sport.

At the risk of getting on the wrong side of the mods, do you have mental issues? You're either twelve or not all there to seriously think this.

Or you're a fascist, but they're all crazy anyway.