The Future of Secularism

[Free Arabian Nation]

... And then proceed to worship the god who (sometimes) encourages both.

Everything that God does is right.

OK sure, so being jealous is perfectly OK?

[Eglaecia]

Yes fucked over because... you're not allowed to defile the sanctity of marriage or kill babies.

Oh here we go. Fetuses aren't babies. And me being allowed to marry a man doesn't defile the sanctity of marriage whatsoever. Even if it did defile your interpretation of what marriage is I really don't fucking care.

Okay, I don't fucking care that you'd be "fucked over" by the Church interfering in politics. LGBT culture and infanticide have led us down a path of low birth rates and created a crisis in western civilisation. We shouldn't tolerate either of them, and when people come back to the faith, we'll make that clear at the ballot.

[Eglaecia]

Everything that God does is right.

OK sure, so being jealous is perfectly OK?

Everything that God does is right. That doesn't mean what we do is right. If God does something he told us not to, but we do it anyway, we're wrong.
I don't know why you brought up jealousy anyway, what does God, an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient being, have to be jealous of?

[Free Arabian Nation]

OK sure, so being jealous is perfectly OK?

Everything that God does is right. That doesn't mean what we do is right. If God does something he told us not to, but we do it anyway, we're wrong.
I don't know why you brought up jealousy anyway, what does God, an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient being, have to be jealous of?

Other gods apparently

[The New California Republic]

LGBT culture and infanticide have led us down a path of low birth rates and created a crisis in western civilisation. We shouldn't tolerate either of them, and when people come back to the faith, we'll make that clear at the ballot.

I dread to think what your solution would be regarding LGBT people.

And abortion isn't infanticide.

[Eglaecia]

Everything that God does is right. That doesn't mean what we do is right. If God does something he told us not to, but we do it anyway, we're wrong.
I don't know why you brought up jealousy anyway, what does God, an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient being, have to be jealous of?

Other gods apparently

Well given the context there's nothing wrong with it. I don't think it means what you think. It's simply saying that God doesn't like it when you betray him.

[Andsed]

Okay, I don't fucking care that you'd be "fucked over" by the Church interfering in politics

So you don´t care that millions of innocents would have their rights taken away?

LGBT culture and infanticide have led us down a path of low birth rates and created a crisis in western civilization.

Source? Because this looks like fearmongering.

We shouldn't tolerate either of them

If we value freedom and tolerance we should.

[Eglaecia]

LGBT culture and infanticide have led us down a path of low birth rates and created a crisis in western civilisation. We shouldn't tolerate either of them, and when people come back to the faith, we'll make that clear at the ballot.

I dread to think what your solution would be regarding LGBT people.

And abortion isn't infanticide.

My solution??? I don't want to solve any issue with them, I just want to stop the state from forcing religious institutions to provide for same-sex couples, and change the sex-ed curriculum to inform children the harmful implications of same-sex sex.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Other gods apparently

Well given the context there's nothing wrong with it. I don't think it means what you think. It's simply saying that God doesn't like it when you betray him.

In what kind of Context does "Don't worship other gods, for I am a jealous god" mean "I don't want you to leave me for gods that do not exist because that's traitorus"?

I can get the two being reasons, but them meaning the same thing is just silly.

[The New California Republic]

I just want to stop the state from forcing religious institutions to provide for same-sex couples

They don't though. Religious institutions can refuse to marry people of the same sex.

and change the sex-ed curriculum to inform children the harmful implications of same-sex sex.

Or we could just teach kids about the potential harms of sex across the board, and how to be careful.

[Eglaecia]

Okay, I don't fucking care that you'd be "fucked over" by the Church interfering in politics

So you don´t care that millions of innocents would have their rights taken away?

I don't care about "human rights" considering they're all made up as time goes on to justify hedonism.

LGBT culture and infanticide have led us down a path of low birth rates and created a crisis in western civilization.

Source? Because this looks like fearmongering.

Two men have sex = 0% chance of conception
Two women have sex = 0% chance of conception
Abortion & Contraception = Less kids being born

We shouldn't tolerate either of them

If we value freedom and tolerance we should.

Religious tolerance is a synonym for state atheism.

[Eglaecia]

I just want to stop the state from forcing religious institutions to provide for same-sex couples

They don't though. Religious institutions can refuse to marry people of the same sex.

Perfect.

and change the sex-ed curriculum to inform children the harmful implications of same-sex sex.

Or we could just teach kids about the potential harms of sex across the board, and how to be careful.[/quote]
Safe sex = abstinence until marriage, and then only having intercourse for the purpose of reproduction.
Unsafe sex = anything else.

[Andsed]

I don't care about "human rights" considering they're all made up as time goes on to justify hedonism.

Well the idea of no human rights bring some very concerning implications.

Two men have sex = 0% chance of conception
Two women have sex = 0% chance of conception
Abortion & Contraception = Less kids being born

Give me a source that says abortion and homosexuality is significantly decreasing the word population. Also ever hear of vito fertilization?

Religious tolerance is a synonym for state atheism

No it´s letting people believe what they want because they are not hurting anyone.

[Andsed]

They don't though. Religious institutions can refuse to marry people of the same sex.

Perfect.

and change the sex-ed curriculum to inform children the harmful implications of same-sex sex.

Or we could just teach kids about the potential harms of sex across the board, and how to be careful.

Safe sex = abstinence until marriage, and then only having intercourse for the purpose of reproduction.
Unsafe sex = anything else.[/quote]
Soooo basically we can´t have sex for anything else other than reproduction? Thank god we don´t I live in that world.

[The New California Republic]

Two men have sex = 0% chance of conception
Two women have sex = 0% chance of conception

So? Gay men and women won't magically turn straight by banning gay sex and other such nonsense.

Or we could just teach kids about the potential harms of sex across the board, and how to be careful.

Safe sex = abstinence until marriage, and then only having intercourse for the purpose of reproduction.
Unsafe sex = anything else.

Wow, that is a seriously distorted view of safe and unsafe sex. It is honestly one of the worst that I have seen in NSGeneral, and that is really saying something.

[The Free Joy State]

Soooo basically we can´t have sex for anything else other than reproduction? Thank god we don´t I live in that world.

(I think that world doesn't exist. But don't tell hardline conservatives.)

As for the OP, I think secularism will become more widespread over time. Most people who are religious don't adhere to all the hardline aspects of their religion (which can only be a good thing), most religious people are more secularised (pro-choice, pro-LGBT denominations of all faiths are becoming common).

I think secularism's future's looking strong. Ireland, one of the formerly most Catholic countries legalised same-sex marriage, and voted to legalise abortion by overwhelming majority. Most Muslims -- in the multicultural area where I live -- that I come across are fairly secular.

I think secularisation is safe. While I have beliefs, I think that's a good thing. I think beliefs should be a private thing, not something you force on other people. "Freedom to believe and freedom from belief " are both equally important; religion should have no say over state matters.

[Eglaecia]

Two men have sex = 0% chance of conception
Two women have sex = 0% chance of conception

So? Gay men and women won't magically turn straight by banning gay sex and other such nonsense.

There's no such thing as a gay man or a gay woman, there are simply people who choose to engage in homosexual acts, and those who don't. Men who are attracted to men can still reproduce if they have intercourse with a female.

Safe sex = abstinence until marriage, and then only having intercourse for the purpose of reproduction.
Unsafe sex = anything else.

Wow, that is a seriously distorted view of safe and unsafe sex. It is honestly one of the worst that I have seen in NSGeneral, and that is really saying something.

It's not distorted at all, it's just natural. Anal sex is totally unnatural and unhealthy, while sexual intercourse, if performed between two clean people, is perfectly safe and natural.

Soooo basically we can´t have sex for anything else other than reproduction? Thank god we don´t I live in that world.

Well you can, but you shouldn't.
Also stop messing around with the quote tags man...

[Eglaecia]

Well the idea of no human rights bring some very concerning implications.

There wouldn't not be an equivalent, you just wouldn't have all the bullshit "rights" that there are today. For example, marriage isn't an actual right, you don't need marriage to live and prosper. Marriage is a privilege that religious people should be allowed to experience.

Give me a source that says abortion and homosexuality is significantly decreasing the word population.

Why would I need one? It's common sense.

Also ever hear of vito fertilization?

Ever hear of not relying on technology to make your unnatural behaviours a possibility?

No it´s letting people believe what they want because they are not hurting anyone.

They're hurting the moral fabric of society by being wrong.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Give me a source that says abortion and homosexuality is significantly decreasing the word population.

Why would I need one? It's common sense.

The few nations that are having a massive decline in Birthrates/Population Growth are actually nations like Japan, Russia, Bulgaria, and Romania. Japan and Russia are heavily anti-LGBT for the record. So, no, it is not common sense

Also, the nation with the lowest birthrate not counting immigration is the Ukraine

[Free Arabian Nation]

They're hurting the moral fabric of society by being wrong.

Yeah, the Catholics are wrong. All praise Allah (SWT)

[Eglaecia]

The few nations that are having a massive decline in Birthrates/Population Growth are actually nations like Japan, Russia, Bulgaria, and Romania. Japan and Russia are heavily anti-LGBT for the record. So, no, it is not common sense

All have high abortion rates.

Also, the nation with the lowest birthrate not counting immigration is the Ukraine

Ukraine has a very liberal abortion law.

[The New California Republic]

So? Gay men and women won't magically turn straight by banning gay sex and other such nonsense.

There's no such thing as a gay man or a gay woman, there are simply people who choose to engage in homosexual acts, and those who don't. Men who are attracted to men can still reproduce if they have intercourse with a female.

Oh fucking hell, that is golden!

And being homosexual is not a choice.

Wow, that is a seriously distorted view of safe and unsafe sex. It is honestly one of the worst that I have seen in NSGeneral, and that is really saying something.

It's not distorted at all, it's just natural. Anal sex is totally unnatural and unhealthy, while sexual intercourse, if performed between two clean people, is perfectly safe and natural.

Have some consistency for fuck's sake. First you said that "Safe sex = abstinence until marriage, and then only having intercourse for the purpose of reproduction", now you are saying that "sexual intercourse, if performed between two clean people, is perfectly safe and natural" ??? Jeez Louise...

And that link doesn't support what you are saying. Try again.

So if gay people engage in intercrural sex then you don't have a problem?

[Free Arabian Nation]

The few nations that are having a massive decline in Birthrates/Population Growth are actually nations like Japan, Russia, Bulgaria, and Romania. Japan and Russia are heavily anti-LGBT for the record. So, no, it is not common sense

All have high abortion rates.

Also, the nation with the lowest birthrate not counting immigration is the Ukraine

Ukraine has a very liberal abortion law.

So it's not LGBT but abortion (Which I have a moral problem with anyway)?

So much for "Common sense"

[Andsed]

There wouldn't not be an equivalent, you just wouldn't have all the bullshit "rights" that there are today. For example, marriage isn't an actual right, you don't need marriage to live and prosper. Marriage is a privilege that religious people should be allowed to experience.

Why only religious people>?What makes you so special?

Why would I need one? It's common sense.

It is really not. You need a good source that shows they are currently causing a significant decrease in the human population.

Ever hear of not relying on technology to make your unnatural behaviours a possibility?

Ever heard of butting out of peoples personal lives because it is harming no one?

They're hurting the moral fabric of society by being wrong.

First off religion is like an opinion. There are many different ones people have so saying they are wrong is pretty pretentious. And second how are they hurting the moral fabric of society?

[The Free Joy State]

Why would I need one? It's common sense.

The few nations that are having a massive decline in Birthrates/Population Growth are actually nations like Japan, Russia, Bulgaria, and Romania. Japan and Russia are heavily anti-LGBT for the record. So, no, it is not common sense

Also, the nation with the lowest birthrate not counting immigration is the Ukraine

I'm not sure LGBT relationships have much to do with the future of secularism. Just sayin'...

A secular society doesn't mean an irreligious society. Apparently, Sweden is very secular -- with the Church separate from the State -- yet 64% of Swedish people are members of the Church of Sweden.