ISIS bride stripped of citizenship, banned from the UK

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I'm not going to indulge in revenge lust like others, but she can stay there. This isn't a game sweetie, you don't get to brush off joining a terrorist organization like some edgy phase. Your country is apparently so horrible that you make war against it, but then as soon as things start getting rough, you're more than happy to indulge in all its protections and privileges? No. Stay where you are, experience what it's really like living as a woman in a radical Islamist country, and then ask yourself how mean and unfairly we really regarded your little friends.

It's a matter of consequeces. She wanted to play a stupid game but then avoid the actual pain and seriousness of the shit she was playing with. The only one I feel remotely sorry for in this situation is her child, he didn't choose this.

Agreed. The child should be given citizenship and allowed in, IMO. Maybe he'll be able to get a better role model then.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Que?

The UK Government refers to IS as Daesh.

As do I, primarily because they hate being called it. Also because "Daeshbag" is a great insult.

The UK Government refers to IS as Daesh.

I know what Daesh means. That's not what I'm questioning.

She's a terrorist sympathizer, I merely pointed that out. Calling her an "ISIS bride" is just beating around the bush.

[Iridencia]

I'm not going to indulge in revenge lust like others, but she can stay there. This isn't a game sweetie, you don't get to brush off joining a terrorist organization like some edgy phase. Your country is apparently so horrible that you make war against it, but then as soon as things start getting rough, you're more than happy to indulge in all its protections and privileges? No. Stay where you are, experience what it's really like living as a woman in a radical Islamist country, and then ask yourself how mean and unfairly we really regarded your little friends.

It's a matter of consequeces. She wanted to play a stupid game but then avoid the actual pain and seriousness of the shit she was playing with. The only one I feel remotely sorry for in this situation is her child, he didn't choose this.

Agreed. The child should be given citizenship and allowed in, IMO. Maybe he'll be able to get a better role model then.

Yup. If this is really just about giving her kid a good upbringing and she doesn't regret moving to Syria, she should be more than happy to hand him over. If she doesn't, I think we know her true motivations.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Agreed. The child should be given citizenship and allowed in, IMO. Maybe he'll be able to get a better role model then.

Yup. If this is really just about giving her kid a good upbringing and she doesn't regret moving to Syria, she should be more than happy to hand him over. If she doesn't, I think we know her true motivations.

Exactly. The kid deserves a chance, like the one his mother decided to waste.

[Des-Bal]

It is indeed about advantage. Having tolerance for citizens joining terrorist organizations only incentivizes it if they realize they can return with no real consequences.

Who said no consequences? You're talking about deterrence for people who decide to leave their entire lives behind and join a terrorist group- it's absurd. Welcome them back get information, punish them thoroughly, and keep them under observation. What you're doing is incentivizing them to fight to the last.

[The Archregimancy]

Without commenting on the morality of the case, this is disputed.

The family claim that while she's of Bangladeshi descent, she's not a Bangladeshi citizen; she has never been to Bangladesh, nor has she ever held a Bangladeshi passport.

Assuming an appeal is forthcoming, and the Home Office acknowledge her right to an appeal, this will likely form the crux of that appeal. If she can demonstrate that she's never held Bangladeshi citizenship, and isn't eligible for that citizenship, then she can't be stripped of her UK citizenship and made stateless.

As such, the decision to revoke her citizenship won't be final until she exhausts any appeal she might care to make (or decides not to appeal).

I sincerely doubt that anyone in NSG has enough expertise in the citizenship laws of the Republic of Bangladesh to offer an informed opinion on the nature of her citizenship status; but that's what the outcome is likely going to rest on.

After a quick read on the wiki, I found that Bangladeshi citizenship is automatic if one is born to a bangladashi citizen. So even if she was born on UK soil to a Bangladeshi mother she would have dual citizenship.

We indeed know that she would at least be eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship if one of her parents is a citizen of Bangladesh; but at present we don't know what the status of her parents is. A lot will become clearer once that point is settled. And with all due respect to Wikipedia (and I'm by no means dismissive of its usefulness as a source), it might be better for this point to be established by the relevant Bangladeshi authorities. And we're of course assuming that the Bangladeshis are perfectly happy for her to take on citizenship if she's eligible; Dhaka may have its own thoughts on the issue.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

It is indeed about advantage. Having tolerance for citizens joining terrorist organizations only incentivizes it if they realize they can return with no real consequences.

Who said no consequences? You're talking about deterrence for people who decide to leave their entire lives behind and join a terrorist group- it's absurd. Welcome them back get information, punish them thoroughly, and keep them under observation. What you're doing is incentivizing them to fight to the last.

No, we're incentivizing them to make smarter life choices. You can't go through life making bad decisions and expect to be given a second chance; sometimes there isn't one.

Keeping them out is the only just punishment.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I support this move. Terrorists don't deserve to retain their citizenship. I'm just shocked that they weren't too PC to kick her out.

[Des-Bal]

No, we're incentivizing them to make smarter life choices. You can't go through life making bad decisions and expect to be given a second chance; sometimes there isn't one.

Keeping them out is the only just punishment.

Fun life lesson. I'm talking about stealing the breath of an organization that may yet have some very violent death throws. I don't really care what you think is just this way gets information and rattles hold-outs.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Not sure if her family are overly emotional or just terrorist sympathisers.

It could be either or, or both. Many people will side with their blood, regardless of that person is in the right or the wrong.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

No, we're incentivizing them to make smarter life choices. You can't go through life making bad decisions and expect to be given a second chance; sometimes there isn't one.

Keeping them out is the only just punishment.

Fun life lesson. I'm talking about stealing the breath of an organization that may yet have some very violent death throws. I don't really care what you think is just this way gets information and rattles hold-outs.

There's nothing to even suggest she knows anything or would even give it up, let alone tell the truth. I'd rather not take the chance. Terrorists are snakes; they hide in the grass beneath your feet and strike when you least expect it. Her whole sob story could just be a ploy for all we know.

Best not take any chances and leave her on the curb she kicked herself out on.

[Des-Bal]

There's nothing to even suggest she knows anything or would even give it up, let alone tell the truth. I'd rather not take the chance. Terrorists are snakes; they hide in the grass beneath your feet and strike when you least expect it. Her whole sob story could just be a ploy for all we know.

Best not take any chances and leave her on the curb she kicked herself out on.

Oh really cuz I was going to make her prime minister. It is ridiculous that you think she could be dangerous but is somehow less dangerous when the UK has less control over her.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

There's nothing to even suggest she knows anything or would even give it up, let alone tell the truth. I'd rather not take the chance. Terrorists are snakes; they hide in the grass beneath your feet and strike when you least expect it. Her whole sob story could just be a ploy for all we know.

Best not take any chances and leave her on the curb she kicked herself out on.

Oh really cuz I was going to make her prime minister. It is ridiculous that you think she could be dangerous but is somehow less dangerous when the UK has less control over her.

She's likely on every terrorist watch-list on the planet by now - along with every other known terrorist and terrorist sympathizer - so I don't see her being dangerous as long as she's outside the Free World.

If you think even putting her in prison means she wouldn't be dangerous then you have no idea how these people work. If she's ever let in, then the only safe option is to execute her quite frankly. Anything less would be far too risky. The mindsets Wahhabists and their sympathizers possess is more akin to that of a serial killer rather than a gangbanger or a drug lord.

[Aclion]

lmao

[Liriena]

I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

subhuman

Easy there, buddy. You're dog-whistling a bit too hard.

[Fartsniffage]

I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

subhuman

Easy there, buddy. You're dog-whistling a bit too hard.

A trial for what crime committed in the UK?

[United Muscovite Nations]

The right thing to do would be for Syria to take her into custody. If she was directly involved in crimes against humanity in Syria, Syria should try her for them there. If she was not directly involved, she should be deported to the UK, which should then try her for treason and take her son into protective custody.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

subhuman

Easy there, buddy. You're dog-whistling a bit too hard.

The need for a trial is redundant given that her guilt is public knowledge and even admitted.

[Yusseria]

It is indeed about advantage. Having tolerance for citizens joining terrorist organizations only incentivizes it if they realize they can return with no real consequences.

Who said no consequences? You're talking about deterrence for people who decide to leave their entire lives behind and join a terrorist group- it's absurd. Welcome them back get information, punish them thoroughly, and keep them under observation. What you're doing is incentivizing them to fight to the last.

Well, according to the article its questionable as to whether or not she'd be charged with any crimes. It is possible that if she were allowed to return home she'd just be questioned by police and then sent on her way. No thanks. Her actions need to have consequences. She needs to be made an example of to discourage others from doing the same thing.

[Yusseria]

I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

subhuman

Easy there, buddy. You're dog-whistling a bit too hard.

She's a terrorist sympathizer who's pretty open about her lack or remorse. I'd say "subhuman" is a pretty apt description here.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The right thing to do would be for Syria to take her into custody. If she was directly involved in crimes against humanity in Syria, Syria should try her for them there. If she was not directly involved, she should be deported to the UK, which should then try her for treason and take her son into protective custody.

I would agree with this if Syria has full Shari'ah and a benevolent government.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh really cuz I was going to make her prime minister. It is ridiculous that you think she could be dangerous but is somehow less dangerous when the UK has less control over her.

She's likely on every terrorist watch-list on the planet by now - along with every other known terrorist and terrorist sympathizer - so I don't see her being dangerous as long as she's outside the Free World.

If you think even putting her in prison means she wouldn't be dangerous then you have no idea how these people work. If she's ever let in, then the only safe option is to execute her quite frankly. Anything less would be far too risky. The mindsets Wahhabists and their sympathizers possess is more akin to that of a serial killer rather than a gangbanger or a drug lord.

Not every Wahhabi is the same.

[The New California Republic]

A trial for what crime committed in the UK?

Having membership in a terrorist organization for starters.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'd much prefer it if they allowed her back in so she could have an actual trial. All the gloating over here is a rather gross fetishization of retaliatory cruelty in lieu of actual justice.

eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

radical Islamist country

Syria is secular.