ISIS bride stripped of citizenship, banned from the UK

[Yusseria]

I'm not saying I disapprove of this, it's just what she deserves. But doesn't this leave her technically stateless as she holds no other citizenship other than British, which is not allowed by international law?

She held dual Bangladeshi citizenship as the article says. She can go live there.

[Sebenica]

Let her back in. Pump her extensively for information, do not let her out of your sight and always operate with the assumption she's planning an attack, but otherwise show everyone fighting for ISIS that they can stand down and come home.

Why in the fucking world would you announce to an enemy that there's no benefit to them surrendering?

She is no longer deserving enough to walk on this planet anymore. She can descend to the lowest levels of hell.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Let her back in. Pump her extensively for information, do not let her out of your sight and always operate with the assumption she's planning an attack, but otherwise show everyone fighting for ISIS that they can stand down and come home.

Why in the fucking world would you announce to an enemy that there's no benefit to them surrendering?

All things considered, this isn't exactly ISIS at its peak anymore so likely...nobody cares enough to consider that a valid option.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

I'm not saying I disapprove of this, it's just what she deserves. But doesn't this leave her technically stateless as she holds no other citizenship other than British, which is not allowed by international law?

She held dual Bangladeshi citizenship as the article says. She can go live there.

If the Bangladeshi's themselves aren't in the middle of backroom deals with Britain in regards to this situation as we speak.

[British Tackeettlaus]

I'm not saying I disapprove of this, it's just what she deserves. But doesn't this leave her technically stateless as she holds no other citizenship other than British, which is not allowed by international law?

She holds dual citizenship of both Britain and Bangladesh.

Yeah just read up about it properly

Whitehall sources said it was possible to strip the 19-year-old of British nationality as she was eligible for citizenship of another country.

Well, as long it's all legal and above board, great!
Cheerio Shamima Begum, we won't miss you.

[Trumptonium1]

Let her back in. Pump her extensively for information, do not let her out of your sight and always operate with the assumption she's planning an attack, but otherwise show everyone fighting for ISIS that they can stand down and come home.

Why in the fucking world would you announce to an enemy that there's no benefit to them surrendering?

So that they realise their only option left is to get tortured by Assad.

[Sebenica]

She holds dual citizenship of both Britain and Bangladesh.

Yeah just read up about it properly

Whitehall sources said it was possible to strip the 19-year-old of British nationality as she was eligible for citizenship of another country.

Well, as long it's all legal and above board, great!
Cheerio Shamima Begum, we won't miss you.

Even Hell doesn't want her there.

[Des-Bal]

She is no longer deserving enough to walk on this planet anymore. She can descend to the lowest levels of hell.

I don't care. Not even like a small amount. If your leaders do disadvantageous things because "people deserve it" get new ones.

All things considered, this isn't exactly ISIS at its peak anymore so likely...nobody cares enough to consider that a valid option.

Yeah that's why I'm not suggesting a pardon. Show any remaining belligerents and wackadoos that any acts of desperation are unnecessary.

[Sebenica]

Let her back in. Pump her extensively for information, do not let her out of your sight and always operate with the assumption she's planning an attack, but otherwise show everyone fighting for ISIS that they can stand down and come home.

Why in the fucking world would you announce to an enemy that there's no benefit to them surrendering?

So that they realise their only option left is to get tortured by Assad.

She's probably oozing with information they'd like to get their grubby hands on.

[Yusseria]

She is no longer deserving enough to walk on this planet anymore. She can descend to the lowest levels of hell.

I don't care. Not even like a small amount. If your leaders do disadvantageous things because "people deserve it" get new ones.

All things considered, this isn't exactly ISIS at its peak anymore so likely...nobody cares enough to consider that a valid option.

Yeah that's why I'm not suggesting a pardon. Show any remaining belligerents and wackadoos that any acts of desperation are unnecessary.

There shouldn't be any tolerance for citizens leaving to join terrorist organizations.

[Shofercia]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/19/isil-bride-shamima-begum-has-british-citizenship-revoked-home/

Jihadi bride, Shamima Begum,has had her British citizenship revoked by the Home Office.

The 19-year-old, who had expressed the desire to return to the UK with her newborn son, will now be banned from entering the country.

It is understood the teenager, who grew up in Bethnal Green east London, has dual Bangladeshi nationality, meaning the move will not render her stateless.

In a letter sent to her family in east London, officials said the Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, had made the decision in "light of the circumstances".

The letter read: "Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

The letter went on to urge Ms Begum's family to make the teenager aware of the decision, but added that she had a right to appeal.

In a statement the family's lawyer said they were very disappointed by the move.

Tasnime Akunjee said: "[The] Family are very disappointed with the Home Office's intention to have an order made depriving Shamima of her citizenship. We are considering all legal avenues to challenge this decision."

Shamima Begum will be effectively now be banned from entering the UK.

Mr Javid has the power to exclude any person suspected of being involved in terrorist activity on the basis that that their presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good.

Ms Begum travelled to Syria from her home in east London in December 2014 and married an Isil fighter.

Her first two children died, and last week she was discovered in a refugee camp where she issued a plea to return to Britain.

But despite saying she wants to bring her baby son up in the peace and security of the UK, she has insisted she has no regrets about travelling to Syria.

She has also been criticised for likening the deaths of 22 people in the Manchester Arena terror attack to the civilians being bombed in Isil territory.

Earlier the Met Commissioner, Cressida Dick, had said Ms Begum could be arrested and potentially charged if she ever returned to the UK.

But she also acknowledged that travelling to Syria was not an offence in itself, and said the police would need evidence that she had been involved in crime or terrorism in order to bring charges.

It comes as a report suggests that many of the girls who have travelled to join Isil are far from vulnerable and naive.

A study by the Henry Jackson Society found evidence that while boys tended to join Isil under the influence of family members, girls were more likely to have sought out extremist material on their own.

Analysis of 20 cases found that Isil brides tended to be self-radicalised and motivated by the prospect of marrying a man of their choice.

Ms Begum has insisted that while living in the self declared caliphate her only role was as a housewife and mother and there is no evidence of her having done anything wrong.

Speaking about the case, Ms Dick said if the teenager returned to the UK she could face questioning but that the current law might not be sufficient to see her prosecuted.

The Commissioner explained: "If she does, under whatever circumstances, arrive at our borders somebody in her type of circumstances could expect to be spoken to and if there is the appropriate necessity, to be potentially arrested and certainly investigated.”

“If that results in sufficient evidence for a prosecution then it will result in sufficient evidence for a prosecution. The officers will deal with whatever they are confronted with."

The Commissioner added: “If there is insufficient evidence for a prosecution it is our job to look at the threat they pose if they are returning from Syria and we do that with every single person who comes back from Syria and then manage the risk with colleagues in the (security and intelligence) agencies."

Ms Dick went on: "Some people returned from that area in the early days who had almost certainly done nothing other than humanitarian aid work – we talked to them and assessed their risk. Many people have come back and just gone on with peaceful lives.”

When Ms Begum first travelled to Syria, Sir Mark Rowley, who was then the head of UK counter terrorism, suggested the girls might be treated as victims of grooming, but Ms Dick said: "We're a long way down the road since then.

A woman from the UK who ventured off to find her ISIS dream man has has had her citizenship stripped by the UK. This is good news because, as the article says, ISIS brides are self-radicalized and not the unwitting pawns many believe them to be. She's also said herself that she has no regrets about going to Syria. She made her bed and now she can lie in it. She will still have a home in Bangladesh. Let them deal with her.

So let me get this straight: she went to ISIS voluntarily, attempted to reap the benefits of that atrocious organization if it won, but ISIS got their asses kicked, and now she's wanting to return to Europe, is that about right? Yeah, no. She can stay in the Middle East, they need plenty of toilet cleaners.

She's also said she has no regrets about returning to Syria... so she can get fucked for all I care.

Fuck her. No sympathy

She clearly shows no remorse, so fuck her.

Considering where she's been, I would really be worried about that, and I don't think that people would want any of her...

[The Archregimancy]

I'm not saying I disapprove of this, it's just what she deserves. But doesn't this leave her technically stateless as she holds no other citizenship other than British, which is not allowed by international law?

She held dual Bangladeshi citizenship as the article says. She can go live there.

Without commenting on the morality of the case, this is disputed.

The family claim that while she's of Bangladeshi descent, she's not a Bangladeshi citizen; she has never been to Bangladesh, nor has she ever held a Bangladeshi passport.

Assuming an appeal is forthcoming, and the Home Office acknowledge her right to an appeal, this will likely form the crux of that appeal. If she can demonstrate that she's never held Bangladeshi citizenship, and isn't eligible for that citizenship, then she can't be stripped of her UK citizenship and made stateless.

As such, the decision to revoke her citizenship won't be final until she exhausts any appeal she might care to make (or decides not to appeal).

I sincerely doubt that anyone in NSG has enough expertise in the citizenship laws of the Republic of Bangladesh to offer an informed opinion on the nature of her citizenship status; but that's what the outcome is likely going to rest on.

[Sebenica]

She held dual Bangladeshi citizenship as the article says. She can go live there.

Without commenting on the morality of the case, this is disputed.

The family claim that while she's of Bangladeshi descent, she's not a Bangladeshi citizen; she has never been to Bangladesh, nor has she ever held a Bangladeshi passport.

Assuming an appeal is forthcoming, and the Home Office acknowledge her right to an appeal, this will likely form the crux of that appeal. If she can demonstrate that she's never held Bangladeshi citizenship, then she can't be stripped of her UK citizenship and made stateless.

As such, the decision to revoke her citizenship won't be final until she exhausts any appeal she might care to make (or decides not to appeal).

I sincerely doubt that anyone in NSG has enough expertise in the citizenship laws of the Republic of Bangladesh to offer an informed opinion on the nature of her citizenship status; but that's what the outcome is likely going to rest on.

Great. Keeping out a terrorist relies on something that is entirely unproven.

[Des-Bal]

There shouldn't be any tolerance for citizens leaving to join terrorist organizations.

It's not about tolerance it's about deriving advantage rather than satisfaction from your actions.

[Ostroeuropa]

Given that she doesn't contest the facts of the matter, i'm fine with this decision. However i'm wary of this power being used in cases where there is a dispute as to the facts of a case.

(Here, she is asking for clemency, not disputing the facts.).

There's a difference between;
"You are a murderer."
"Yes, but please forgive me."
"No."

and

"You are a murderer."
"No, I am not."
"Off to prison anyway because we say so.".

[Yusseria]

There shouldn't be any tolerance for citizens leaving to join terrorist organizations.

It's not about tolerance it's about deriving advantage rather than satisfaction from your actions.

It is indeed about advantage. Having tolerance for citizens joining terrorist organizations only incentivizes it if they realize they can return with no real consequences.

[Sebuyatsu]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

*Daesh sympathizer

[Thermodolia]

Same as the American one.

Let them in, ambush them, shoot them. No mercy for terrorists nor their personnel.

I’m fine with letting them back in to just arrest them and try them in a military tribunal. But straight up executing them on the tarmac is just cruel

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Same as the American one.

Let them in, ambush them, shoot them. No mercy for terrorists nor their personnel.

I’m fine with letting them back in to just arrest them and try them in a military tribunal. But straight up executing them on the tarmac is just cruel

It's downright psychotic is what it is. I hate these terrorist-sympathizing traitors as much as the next guy, but let's not stoop to their level hm? We're better than them - let us prove it through our actions.

[Iridencia]

I'm not going to indulge in revenge lust like others, but she can stay there. This isn't a game sweetie, you don't get to brush off joining a terrorist organization like some edgy phase. Your country is apparently so horrible that you make war against it, but then as soon as things start getting rough, you're more than happy to indulge in all its protections and privileges? No. Stay where you are, experience what it's really like living as a woman in a radical Islamist country, and then ask yourself how mean and unfairly we really regarded your little friends.

It's a matter of consequeces. She wanted to play a stupid game but then avoid the actual pain and seriousness of the shit she was playing with. The only one I feel remotely sorry for in this situation is her child, he didn't choose this.

[Yusseria]

*Daesh sympathizer

Que?

[Thermodolia]

She held dual Bangladeshi citizenship as the article says. She can go live there.

Without commenting on the morality of the case, this is disputed.

The family claim that while she's of Bangladeshi descent, she's not a Bangladeshi citizen; she has never been to Bangladesh, nor has she ever held a Bangladeshi passport.

Assuming an appeal is forthcoming, and the Home Office acknowledge her right to an appeal, this will likely form the crux of that appeal. If she can demonstrate that she's never held Bangladeshi citizenship, and isn't eligible for that citizenship, then she can't be stripped of her UK citizenship and made stateless.

As such, the decision to revoke her citizenship won't be final until she exhausts any appeal she might care to make (or decides not to appeal).

I sincerely doubt that anyone in NSG has enough expertise in the citizenship laws of the Republic of Bangladesh to offer an informed opinion on the nature of her citizenship status; but that's what the outcome is likely going to rest on.

After a quick read on the wiki, I found that Bangladeshi citizenship is automatic if one is born to a bangladashi citizen. So even if she was born on UK soil to a Bangladeshi mother she would have dual citizenship.

[The New California Republic]

*Daesh sympathizer

Que?

The UK Government refers to IS as Daesh.

[Yusseria]

Que?

The UK Government refers to IS as Daesh.

I know what Daesh means. That's not what I'm questioning.