ISIS bride stripped of citizenship, banned from the UK

[Ostroeuropa]

El-Amin is convinced Islamic morality is perfect

Correct.

and it makes them too uncomfortable to confront the notion that they don't have a direct line to god

Incorrect.

and are merely subjectively intepreting it.

Incorrect.

It means there will be flaws, and they can't handle that.

Incorrect.

And yet you're unable to explain this ability of yours to not have a subjective view of a text, but instead an objective one.

Even when other muslims clearly come to different conclusions, and if anything, your religion is full of people engaging in that behavior.

And you're unable to do it because confronting that makes the entire exercise a laughable farce, just like all religion.

She is a Jihadi. Your opinion, your subjective interpretation of a text, is not any better than hers. God is not here to settle the matter and tell us their intent.

Says a lot about his skills as a writer though, doesn't it, that so many people can come to different conclusions. Not a very good communicator.

[Yusseria]

I've often found that people try to hide their lack of a broader point behind labeling it 'nuance'.

You're often no good at that. Either make your point or don't, but I don't really care to play 20 questions.

It's easy. Radicalisation doesn't exist in a vacuum. Your attempt to say that it's just all her fault is both wrong and incredibly unhelpful if we want to prevent it in the future.

It is all her fault. She radicalized herself.

At the end of the day people need to be adults and take responsibility for their own actions.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's easy. Radicalisation doesn't exist in a vacuum. Your attempt to say that it's just all her fault is both wrong and incredibly unhelpful if we want to prevent it in the future.

It is all her fault. She radicalized herself.

Eh, it went both ways, she radicalized herself, and ISIS radicalized her.

[Fartsniffage]

It's easy. Radicalisation doesn't exist in a vacuum. Your attempt to say that it's just all her fault is both wrong and incredibly unhelpful if we want to prevent it in the future.

It is all her fault. She radicalized herself.

At the end of the day people need to be adults and take responsibility for their own actions.

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

She is a Jihadi.

No she's not, i alresdy shiwed you evidnecs that she wasn't.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It is all her fault. She radicalized herself.

At the end of the day people need to be adults and take responsibility for their own actions.

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

Islamically soeaking they are iirc.

[Ostroeuropa]

She is a Jihadi.

No she's not, i alresdy shiwed you evidnecs that she wasn't.

And i've explained to you why that is merely a subjective opinion of yours, which you haven't rebutted at all. Perhaps you can try explaining why it's objective.

[Fartsniffage]

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

Islamically soeaking they are iirc.

Who cares? The UK is not an Islamic country.

[Yusseria]

It is all her fault. She radicalized herself.

At the end of the day people need to be adults and take responsibility for their own actions.

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

Even a 15 year old is capable of realizing terrorists are bad.

[Fartsniffage]

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

Even a 15 year old is capable of realizing terrorists are bad.

But do you consider a 15 year old an adult?

[Ostroeuropa]

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

Even a 15 year old is capable of realizing terrorists are bad.

Yes, it's worth noting that merely not being an Adult isn't sufficient. The age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10 years old for Murder.

Even a 15 year old is capable of realizing terrorists are bad.

But do you consider a 15 year old an adult?

Not really relevant.

[Thermodolia]

It is all her fault. She radicalized herself.

At the end of the day people need to be adults and take responsibility for their own actions.

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

In some nations they are legally able to consent to sex so...

[Fartsniffage]

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

In some nations they are legally able to consent to sex so...

Can they vote?

[Trumptonium1]

It is all her fault. She radicalized herself.

At the end of the day people need to be adults and take responsibility for their own actions.

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

Would you like to lower the voting age?

[Yusseria]

Even a 15 year old is capable of realizing terrorists are bad.

But do you consider a 15 year old an adult?

No, but that doesn't really matter much. She's an adult now and still says she has no regrets.

[Ostroeuropa]

In some nations they are legally able to consent to sex so...

Can they vote?

That's not relevant. The age of criminal responsibility is a separate matter and we can and do hold children above the age of 10 responsible for their crimes.

[Fartsniffage]

She was 15 when she went to Syria. Do you consider 15 year olds adults?

Would you like to lower the voting age?

God no. Increase it.

[Trumptonium1]

Would you like to lower the voting age?

God no. Increase it.

At least you're principled I'll give you half a point

What about Bulger's killers? What separates them from this ISIS twat? They were much younger than she was.

[Fartsniffage]

Can they vote?

That's not relevant. The age of criminal responsibility is a separate matter and we can and do hold children above the age of 10 responsible for their crimes.

But we also try and punish them differently because we understand that being young is different than being an adult. Also, read back on why I challenged him on this.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's not relevant. The age of criminal responsibility is a separate matter and we can and do hold children above the age of 10 responsible for their crimes.

But we also try and punish them differently because we understand that being young is different than being an adult. Also, read back on why I challenged him on this.

Fair enough, he called her an adult first.

We try and punish them differerntly sometimes dependent on severity of crime and how young they are, but with 15 year olds that tends not to be the case. We do in fact imprison 15 year olds sometimes. Or more accurately, put them in a childrens prison til 18, then an adult prison.

She's also 16 as of right now, which means we don't have to bother with that and can proceed straight to an adult prison.

[Fartsniffage]

God no. Increase it.

At least you're principled I'll give you half a point

What about Bulger's killers? What separates them from this ISIS twat? They were much younger than she was.

They were tried, convicted, and then given new identities to re-enter British society. What separates them from her is that I don't think she should be let back into the UK at all.

[Thermodolia]

In some nations they are legally able to consent to sex so...

Can they vote?

Not yet. But in said nations they are analogous to 17 year olds.

Austria has an age of consent of 14 and a voting age of 16.

[Ostroeuropa]

At least you're principled I'll give you half a point

What about Bulger's killers? What separates them from this ISIS twat? They were much younger than she was.

They were tried, convicted, and then given new identities to re-enter British society. What separates them from her is that I don't think she should be let back into the UK at all.

I agree. She has forfeited her right to be here as far as i'm concerned.

[Fartsniffage]

But we also try and punish them differently because we understand that being young is different than being an adult. Also, read back on why I challenged him on this.

Fair enough, he called her an adult first.

We try and punish them differerntly sometimes dependent on severity of crime and how young they are, but with 15 year olds that tends not to be the case. We do in fact imprison 15 year olds sometimes. Or more accurately, put them in a childrens prison til 18, then an adult prison.

She's also 16 as of right now, which means we don't have to bother with that and can proceed straight to an adult prison.

It's usually 21 to be sent to an adult prison and she's currently 19.

[Ostroeuropa]

Fair enough, he called her an adult first.

We try and punish them differerntly sometimes dependent on severity of crime and how young they are, but with 15 year olds that tends not to be the case. We do in fact imprison 15 year olds sometimes. Or more accurately, put them in a childrens prison til 18, then an adult prison.

She's also 16 as of right now, which means we don't have to bother with that and can proceed straight to an adult prison.

It's usually 21 to be sent to an adult prison and she's currently 19.

My mistake.