ISIS bride stripped of citizenship, banned from the UK

[The South Falls]

Along with revoking her citizenship the British Government should damnatio memoriae the fuck out of her. Birth certificate? Gone! Medical records? Gone! School grades? Gone! National Insurance? Gone! Name on the census from previous years? Gone!

That sets a dangerous precedent, so I wouldn't say her punishment should extend that far.

[Yusseria]

We aren't talking about ISIS as a whole. We're talking about her. She's self-radicalized and still expresses no remorse. She did this to herself.

And this is why I say you don't understand nuance.

I've often found that people try to hide their lack of a broader point behind labeling it 'nuance'.

You're often no good at that. Either make your point or don't, but I don't really care to play 20 questions.

[Fartsniffage]

She hasn't lost it yet.

“had her British citizenship revoked by the Home Office.”
It says she has, if she successfully appeals and gets it reinstated, let her back but charge her with treason.

They've started the process. That's not the same as it being gone. There is still uncertainty about whether the revocation is legal.

[Thermodolia]

“had her British citizenship revoked by the Home Office.”
It says she has, if she successfully appeals and gets it reinstated, let her back but charge her with treason.

They've started the process. That's not the same as it being gone. There is still uncertainty about whether the revocation is legal.

Well I don’t exactly blame the Bangladeshi government for not wanting to claim her ass

[Novus America]

“had her British citizenship revoked by the Home Office.”
It says she has, if she successfully appeals and gets it reinstated, let her back but charge her with treason.

They've started the process. That's not the same as it being gone. There is still uncertainty about whether the revocation is legal.

Even if the revocation is illegal, it can still happen. And still is the case until it is reversed.
Regardless her citizenship is suspended at this point.

[Samudera Darussalam]

I mean, she is a terrorist. Though, could you argue she fell under the case of Stockholm syndrome, that she was brainwashed?

I hope this is the case. Though she's still accountable for her crimes if she committed any either way.

I agree, though, like South Falls said, she went there with her own free will.
However, I'm a bit disagree with the 'Stockholm Syndrome' thing. How could this be a case of 'Stockholm Syndrome'? She isn't abducted or kidnapped, is she? She went there with her friends, and even lied to her parents to achieve that.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No she wasn't.

According to you

And according to the rules and definition of jihad:
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://www.al-islam.org/jihad-holy-war ... -mutahhari (click "Table of Contents" and the top of the page to read)

[Thermodolia]

According to you

And according to the rules and definition of jihad:
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://www.al-islam.org/jihad-holy-war ... -mutahhari (click "Table of Contents" and the top of the page to read)

Is this another one of your “it’s not abuse, it’s a tap” bullshit?

[Trumptonium1]

Not sure if her family are overly emotional or just terrorist sympathisers.

It could be either or, or both. Many people will side with their blood, regardless of that person is in the right or the wrong.

Yeah not very often if the person related by blood is a terrorist or committed a massacre...

I'll back down if I see evidence that the families of the many US mass killers somewhere said their x is innocent and they love him.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Along with revoking her citizenship the British Government should damnatio memoriae the fuck out of her. Birth certificate? Gone! Medical records? Gone! School grades? Gone! National Insurance? Gone! Name on the census from previous years? Gone!

Completely agreed. She should be vaporised, as per the Newspeak definition.
"Those who are vaporised are removed from society in that they are killed and all evidence of their existence is removed."
The same should be done to all Jihadist scum and similar traitors.

[Ostroeuropa]

According to you

And according to the rules and definition of jihad:
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://www.al-islam.org/jihad-holy-war ... -mutahhari (click "Table of Contents" and the top of the page to read)

So you still don't understand subjectivity apparently.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And according to the rules and definition of jihad:
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://www.al-islam.org/jihad-holy-war ... -mutahhari (click "Table of Contents" and the top of the page to read)

So you still don't understand subjectivity apparently.

There's nothing subjective about the rules of jihad.

[Nimzonia]

But she is the perfect tool for a smarter terrorist to use.

Hardly. She's had far too much publicity at this point. Any terrorist dealing with her is just asking to be picked up by MI5.

And why let her into the UK? Given it is apparently legal to prohibit her from going back, and she has no value to the UK, why let her in?

Many people are of no value to the UK (do we really need all these old people?), but that's a stupid reason to strip someone of their citizenship.

Even if the threat she (on her own) poses is low, still from a cost benefit analysis her lack of any redeeming value to the UK means there is nothing to offset even the smallest risk.

It makes us look a bit pathetic, to be honest. Putting the boot into a helpless enemy (if she can even be called that) that has lost everything and poses no threat is not really the most admirable behaviour. At best, this is the international equivalent of littering.

[Fartsniffage]

And this is why I say you don't understand nuance.

I've often found that people try to hide their lack of a broader point behind labeling it 'nuance'.

You're often no good at that. Either make your point or don't, but I don't really care to play 20 questions.

It's easy. Radicalisation doesn't exist in a vacuum. Your attempt to say that it's just all her fault is both wrong and incredibly unhelpful if we want to prevent it in the future.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you still don't understand subjectivity apparently.

There's nothing subjective about the rules of jihad.

Your interpretation of those rules is subjective. You are not an object, you understand that, right?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There's nothing subjective about the rules of jihad.

Your interpretation of those rules is subjective. You are not an object, you understand that, right?

I didn't make those websites.

[Fartsniffage]

So you still don't understand subjectivity apparently.

There's nothing subjective about the rules of jihad.

Apparently some Muslims disagree with your opinion.

[Ostroeuropa]

Your interpretation of those rules is subjective. You are not an object, you understand that, right?

I didn't make those websites.

You're missing the point. Someone did, and their opinion is simply that, an opinion. You are interpreting a text, that's all.

Adding an extra layer merely makes it even less objective.

You're not only merely interpreting the Quran rather than objectively knowing its meaning, you're interpreting someone elses interpretation.

There's nothing subjective about the rules of jihad.

Apparently some Muslims disagree with your opinion.

El-Amin is convinced Islamic morality is perfect and it makes them too uncomfortable to confront the notion that they don't have a direct line to god and are merely subjectively intepreting it. It means there will be flaws, and they can't handle that.

[Thermodolia]

It could be either or, or both. Many people will side with their blood, regardless of that person is in the right or the wrong.

Yeah not very often if the person related by blood is a terrorist or committed a massacre...

I'll back down if I see evidence that the families of the many US mass killers somewhere said their x is innocent and they love him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/loc ... 9b54ba5450

He’s not really saying his innocent but he is saying that he’s still family

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I didn't make those websites.

You're missing the point. Someone did, and their opinion is simply that, an opinion. You are interpreting a text, that's all.

It's not an opinion.

[Ostroeuropa]

You're missing the point. Someone did, and their opinion is simply that, an opinion. You are interpreting a text, that's all.

It's not an opinion.

Yes, it is. How is it not an opinion? Because it's yours? Ridiculous.

[Thermodolia]

There's nothing subjective about the rules of jihad.

Apparently some Muslims disagree with your opinion.

But Farts those aren’t True Muslims ^TM

[Chernoblia]

Good for her, no sympathy for somebody who allied with an terrorist group

[Fartsniffage]

Apparently some Muslims disagree with your opinion.

But Farts those aren’t True Muslims ^TM

And thusly you explain most of the problems in the Middle East....

[El-Amin Caliphate]

El-Amin is convinced Islamic morality is perfect

Correct.

and it makes them too uncomfortable to confront the notion that they don't have a direct line to god

Incorrect.

and are merely subjectively intepreting it.

Incorrect.

It means there will be flaws, and they can't handle that.

Incorrect.