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Should she be allowed to return to the UK?

Yes
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No
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Exile her to Ireland
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Postby Vojelneit » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:30 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:She should not be executed beacuse no state should have the right to decide life or death outside of war.


The UK is at war with ISIS. So is the Syrian regime. What's your point?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:21 pm

Vojelneit wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:She should not be executed beacuse no state should have the right to decide life or death outside of war.


The UK is at war with ISIS. So is the Syrian regime. What's your point?


So at what point did she become a combatant and not a civilian?
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Postby Nimzonia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:12 pm

Why exactly is the discussion now about executing her? As far as I'm aware, she hasn't actually done anything except travel to a war zone, marry an idiot, and hold a variety of offensive opinions. You can't go round executing people for having offensive opinions. If we did that in the UK, the streets would run red.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:19 pm

Vojelneit wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:She should not be executed beacuse no state should have the right to decide life or death outside of war.


The UK is at war with ISIS. So is the Syrian regime. What's your point?

nvm then

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:20 pm

Nimzonia wrote:Why exactly is the discussion now about executing her? As far as I'm aware, she hasn't actually done anything except travel to a war zone, marry an idiot, and hold a variety of offensive opinions. You can't go round executing people for having offensive opinions. If we did that in the UK, the streets would run red.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:20 pm

Nimzonia wrote:Why exactly is the discussion now about executing her? As far as I'm aware, she hasn't actually done anything except travel to a war zone, marry an idiot, and hold a variety of offensive opinions. You can't go round executing people for having offensive opinions. If we did that in the UK, the streets would run red.


Something about guilt by association.
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Postby Sicaris » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:25 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Sicaris wrote:


Yes. If she is to be executed, unnecessary cruelty isn’t the most humane option.


She should not be executed beacuse no state should have the right to decide life or death outside of war.


ISIS and the UK are at war, you do realize? Under your logic it would be perfectly fine.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:27 pm

Sicaris wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
She should not be executed beacuse no state should have the right to decide life or death outside of war.


ISIS and the UK are at war, you do realize? Under your logic it would be perfectly fine.


So when did she become a combatant and not a civilian?
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Postby Novus America » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
ISIS and the UK are at war, you do realize? Under your logic it would be perfectly fine.


So when did she become a combatant and not a civilian?


Civilians can be executed.
Though the UK does not have the death penalty.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
ISIS and the UK are at war, you do realize? Under your logic it would be perfectly fine.


So when did she become a combatant and not a civilian?

The moment she willingly betrayed her country and traveled to join a foreign power at war with said country.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:29 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:Why exactly is the discussion now about executing her? As far as I'm aware, she hasn't actually done anything except travel to a war zone, marry an idiot, and hold a variety of offensive opinions. You can't go round executing people for having offensive opinions. If we did that in the UK, the streets would run red.


Something about guilt by association.


Joining a terrorist organization is a crime.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:29 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So when did she become a combatant and not a civilian?

The moment she willingly betrayed her country and traveled to join a foreign power at war with said country.


Doesn't make her a combatant. Just makes her a civilian in a foreign power.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:The moment she willingly betrayed her country and traveled to join a foreign power at war with said country.


Doesn't make her a combatant. Just makes her a civilian in a foreign power.

What it makes her is a traitor in the absolute most basic definition of the word. Just like a spy or any other foreign agent. She joined an enemy force in times of war.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:31 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Doesn't make her a combatant. Just makes her a civilian in a foreign power.

What it makes her is a traitor. Just like a spy or any other foreign agent.


You really are desperate to make a martyr out of her, just like ISIS wants, aren't you?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:31 pm

Novus America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Something about guilt by association.


Joining a terrorist organization is a crime.

Not one that would warrant the death penalty, even if Britain still employed capital punishment.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:What it makes her is a traitor. Just like a spy or any other foreign agent.


You really are desperate to make a martyr out of her, just like ISIS wants, aren't you?

What they want is irrelevant. What they need is a good killing down to the last of them.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:34 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You really are desperate to make a martyr out of her, just like ISIS wants, aren't you?

What they want is irrelevant. What they need is a good killing down to the last of them.

Remember how you're against the death penalty and against killing in self defence?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:What it makes her is a traitor. Just like a spy or any other foreign agent.


You really are desperate to make a martyr out of her, just like ISIS wants, aren't you?


You'll be delighted to know most of us are also down to kill every member of their little cult. Their wants are irrelevant.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Joining a terrorist organization is a crime.

Not one that would warrant the death penalty, even if Britain still employed capital punishment.


Fair enough.
But treason would, and non combatants can still be traitors.
But yeah, you cannot execute her in the UK regardless.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:41 pm

I mean we didn't execute the men who actually joined the Britisches Freikorps. So why would what she's done warrant capital punishment?
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:I mean we didn't execute the men who actually joined the Britisches Freikorps. So why would what she's done warrant capital punishment?

The reason we study history is so that we can learn from its mistakes and not repeat them.
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Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:I mean we didn't execute the men who actually joined the Britisches Freikorps.


You should have.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:46 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I mean we didn't execute the men who actually joined the Britisches Freikorps. So why would what she's done warrant capital punishment?

The reason we study history is so that we can learn from its mistakes and not repeat them.


By massacring civilians?
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Postby Novus America » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:I mean we didn't execute the men who actually joined the Britisches Freikorps. So why would what she's done warrant capital punishment?


You did execute Lord Haw Haw.
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Postby Nimzonia » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:37 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:Why exactly is the discussion now about executing her? As far as I'm aware, she hasn't actually done anything except travel to a war zone, marry an idiot, and hold a variety of offensive opinions. You can't go round executing people for having offensive opinions. If we did that in the UK, the streets would run red.

Wouldn't that be glorious?


There'd be nobody left.

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