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Should she be allowed to return to the UK?

Yes
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No
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Exile her to Ireland
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:43 am

Karu Nadu wrote:Bangladesh is probably not one of the best places to be deported to right now.

Why?
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:58 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:Fwiw My take is that she should be tried in a British court, (probably) convicted and (if so) punished with imprisonment in the UK. I think rendering people stateless is reprehensible. If she were also a citizen of another country, I would rather she went there, but she isn't, so unfortunately we're stuck with her. Hopefully she realises the error of her ways and repents in prison, but she has to be given that chance. The child has done nothing wrong; it's an innocent in this situation. It should be raised in the UK.


The last thing I read was that she was ok with facing prison time in the UK.

Prison in the UK is too soft. She’ll be getting a free fucking holiday. What we need are labour camps. Prison is meant to be a punishment not a luxury.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:09 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote:Bangladesh is probably not one of the best places to be deported to right now.

Why?

It's a massively impoverished, massively overpopulated country that also just happened to take in a huge number of refugees from Myanmar.

Living standards are very low, and anti-refuge sentiments are very high.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:11 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The last thing I read was that she was ok with facing prison time in the UK.

Prison in the UK is too soft. She’ll be getting a free fucking holiday. What we need are labour camps. Prison is meant to be a punishment not a luxury.

Guess how I can tell you've never been to prison lol. As far as labour camps go, they're morally wrong AND harmful to wider society. 2 in 1! If I were you I would be careful supporting labour camps lest you or someone you love be put in one.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:14 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Why?

It's a massively impoverished, massively overpopulated country that also just happened to take in a huge number of refugees from Myanmar.

Living standards are very low, and anti-refuge sentiments are very high.

Good
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:23 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's a massively impoverished, massively overpopulated country that also just happened to take in a huge number of refugees from Myanmar.

Living standards are very low, and anti-refuge sentiments are very high.

Good

What did we fight IS for again? I may be imagining this but I thought it was because we were totally opposed to their evil, arbitrary worldview under which people who did not conform were cruelly punished
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:26 am

Thanatttynia wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Good

What did we fight IS for again? I may be imagining this but I thought it was because we were totally opposed to their evil, arbitrary worldview under which people who did not conform were cruelly punished

Noone's being punished. They're just permanently banned from a country the actively fought against.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:29 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's a massively impoverished, massively overpopulated country that also just happened to take in a huge number of refugees from Myanmar.

Living standards are very low, and anti-refuge sentiments are very high.

Good

Maybe it's because I believe in rule of law, but I'd much rather just, you know, give her a trial and then - if found guilty - throw her in prison for a long time. Like we normally do.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:31 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:What did we fight IS for again? I may be imagining this but I thought it was because we were totally opposed to their evil, arbitrary worldview under which people who did not conform were cruelly punished

Noone's being punished. They're just permanently banned from a country the actively fought against.

You suggested that sending her to an impoverished country she's never been to with low living standards and high anti-refugee sentiment would be good. That's punishment, and not just that, but cruel punishment (as in 'cruel and unusual.')
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:37 am

Thanatttynia wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Noone's being punished. They're just permanently banned from a country the actively fought against.

You suggested that sending her to an impoverished country she's never been to with low living standards and high anti-refugee sentiment would be good. That's punishment, and not just that, but cruel punishment (as in 'cruel and unusual.')

Okay, let me rephrase. The UK are showing treasonists that they have the balls to deport trasonists without giving a shit
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:55 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Battlion wrote:
On the basis that she’s eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, which Bangladesh has now clarified she is not.

Add in to that, her family wants to appeal the decision.

This was far from decided.


Well, the order was placed, according to the article cited in the OP. She has a right to appeal, as per same cited article but it seems as if, in regards to the UK, this is already done. Hence why I asked. The info seems to make it a done deal. If it isn't, I concede to your judgement as I am not a UK citizen nor do I know much about UK jurisprudence to say much.

An order has been placed, as you say, but the possibility to appeal the order has not been exhausted. An appeal against the decision to make an order for deprivation can be made to the First-Tier Tribunal (Immigration and Asylum Chamber). Onward appeals are to the Upper Tribunal and Court of Appeal, and finally to the Supreme Court.

If the Secretary of State certifies that the decision was taken wholly or partly in reliance on information which is determined to not be made public in the interest of national security, the UK’s relations with another country or otherwise in the public interest, the right of appeal is to the Special Immigration Appeals Commission instead of the First -Tier Tribunal. The onward appeals are the same.

The legal battle which lies ahead may take some time. In Secretary of State for the Home Department v Al-Jedda the original deprivation order was made 14. December 2007, while the final decision to overturn the deprivation order was made by the Supreme Court on 9. October 2013 - almost six years later.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:49 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:You suggested that sending her to an impoverished country she's never been to with low living standards and high anti-refugee sentiment would be good. That's punishment, and not just that, but cruel punishment (as in 'cruel and unusual.')

Okay, let me rephrase. The UK are showing treasonists that they have the balls to deport trasonists without giving a shit

That's still a punishment

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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:57 am

Alvecia wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Okay, let me rephrase. The UK are showing treasonists that they have the balls to deport trasonists without giving a shit

That's still a punishment

Yep
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:59 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Alvecia wrote:That's still a punishment

Yep

Then despite your earlier statement, people are being punished.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:14 am

Also it seems the takeaway here is that conservatives apparently only care about child grooming when the victims are white girls.
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Postby Auze » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:31 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:What did we fight IS for again? I may be imagining this but I thought it was because we were totally opposed to their evil, arbitrary worldview under which people who did not conform were cruelly punished

Noone's being punished. They're just permanently banned from a country the actively fought against.

ISIS fought against Bangladesh too. Anyways, Bangladesh revoked her citizenship, so that is not an option.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:38 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:Prison in the UK is too soft. She’ll be getting a free fucking holiday. What we need are labour camps. Prison is meant to be a punishment not a luxury.

A wonderful way to mark the difference between Britain and the average subtropical terrorist-supporting theocracy of your choice.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:43 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The last thing I read was that she was ok with facing prison time in the UK.

Prison in the UK is too soft. She’ll be getting a free fucking holiday. What we need are labour camps. Prison is meant to be a punishment not a luxury.


Prison is supposed to rehabilitate in order to prevent the individual from re-offending.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:46 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Prison in the UK is too soft. She’ll be getting a free fucking holiday. What we need are labour camps. Prison is meant to be a punishment not a luxury.


Prison is supposed to rehabilitate in order to prevent the individual from re-offending.


Exile or labour camp it is then.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:59 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The last thing I read was that she was ok with facing prison time in the UK.

Prison in the UK is too soft. She’ll be getting a free fucking holiday. What we need are labour camps. Prison is meant to be a punishment not a luxury.

The UK has a lot of empty spaces, I'm sure one can build a Guantanamo UK in one of them,
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:09 am

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The Islands of Versilia wrote:Prison in the UK is too soft. She’ll be getting a free fucking holiday. What we need are labour camps. Prison is meant to be a punishment not a luxury.

The UK has a lot of empty spaces, I'm sure one can build a Guantanamo UK in one of them,


Instead of waterboarding them we'll just put the milk in before their tea.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:12 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:The UK has a lot of empty spaces, I'm sure one can build a Guantanamo UK in one of them,


Instead of waterboarding them we'll just put the milk in before their tea.

In cups that say "Los Malvinas son Argentinas"?
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Postby Belgium1 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:16 am

Finally seems as the uk finally grew a backbone and is starting to protect its people.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:17 am

Belgium1 wrote:Finally seems as the uk finally grew a backbone and is starting to protect its people.


So how does this do that?
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:The UK has a lot of empty spaces, I'm sure one can build a Guantanamo UK in one of them,


Instead of waterboarding them we'll just put the milk in before their tea.


We can use one of the scottish islands and make it a reality tv show, dump all the Jihadis on there and do weekly bantz.

Week 12 we can airdrop in two Qurans both with purposefully wrong instructions and both contradicting eachother just to fuck everything up.
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