ISIS bride stripped of citizenship, banned from the UK

[Novus America]

Do you have any evidence this actually works to prevent terrorism?
Anyways we have no evidence she is mentally ill such that she does not understand her actions.
She is a unrepentant, conscious, willing supporter of terrorism.

Mental health is designed to deal with mental disease. Not change your ideology.

Deprogramming and deradicalizing one who has been brainwashed by a cult is certainly a matter of mental health. And there are many ex cult members who have successfully been deradicalized.

It does not appear she has been unwillingly brainwashed. It appears she fully understands and still believes in her murderous ideology.

Also mental health only mitigates criminal charges if “labouring under such a defect of reason, from disease of the mind, as not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing; or if he did know it, that he did not know he was doing what was wrong.”
M'Naghten's Case

Which does not appear to be the case here.

[Ifreann]

I don't see why she should lose her citizenship over that. So what if it's a bad thing to do? Lots of things people do are bad but not illegal, and thus they are not punished by the government.

Because she abandoned her country to marry an enemy of that country.

So what? That's not a crime. She's not hurting anyone by being married to an ISIS fighter.

[Aellex]

Because crimes affect other people and I doubt that the people who were maimed, raped or killed by the terrorist group she was part of and supported take much relief in the fact that she "wasn't over the age 18" when she first joined it.

At what age should one be held criminally responsible though? What if a 9 year old ran away to join ISIS?

Being young is not an excuse for committing or assisting rape, murders and other various assortments of war crimes.
If a 9 years old did it, he should be punished.

[Novus America]

Because she abandoned her country to marry an enemy of that country.

So what? That's not a crime. She's not hurting anyone by being married to an ISIS fighter.

Actually she was hurting people by aiding and abetting, and knowingly joining a terrorist group.
Being married to a terrorist is not necessarily always a crime, and neither is leaving your country.
Leaving your country to wage war against your country and joining a designated terror group are crimes however.

There are certainly grounds for charging her with a litany of crimes.

[Yellow Kingdom]

I don't see a problem here.
I mean, you went out of your way to marry some neo-fash terrorist and now you expect to be allowed back to a country that ISIL would destroy if it had the chance to?

[Ifreann]

So what? That's not a crime. She's not hurting anyone by being married to an ISIS fighter.

Actually she was hurting people by aiding and abetting, and knowingly joining a terrorist group.
Being married to a terrorist is not necessarily always a crime, and neither is leaving your country.
Leaving your country to wage war against your country and joining a designated terror group are crimes however.

There are certainly grounds for charging her with a litany of crimes.

How did she aid and abet ISIS? There doesn't seem to be any suspicion that she actually did any terrorism. She just married an ISIS fighter and was a housewife and had some children. I don't know if you could even necessarily say that she joined ISIS.

[Astoriya]

Now that's a good thing - why not send her to Bangladesh, and let them deal with it

[Loben]

Actually she was hurting people by aiding and abetting, and knowingly joining a terrorist group.
Being married to a terrorist is not necessarily always a crime, and neither is leaving your country.
Leaving your country to wage war against your country and joining a designated terror group are crimes however.

There are certainly grounds for charging her with a litany of crimes.

How did she aid and abet ISIS? There doesn't seem to be any suspicion that she actually did any terrorism. She just married an ISIS fighter and was a housewife and had some children. I don't know if you could even necessarily say that she joined ISIS.

Giving birth to a child sired by one of em does sound like aiding their cause.

[Ifreann]

How did she aid and abet ISIS? There doesn't seem to be any suspicion that she actually did any terrorism. She just married an ISIS fighter and was a housewife and had some children. I don't know if you could even necessarily say that she joined ISIS.

Giving birth to a child sired by one of em does sound like aiding their cause.

Oh yeah, those babies were vital to ISIS's evil plans.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Yes Girl Should Return UK Government Fair Judgment

[Thermodolia]

It seems I'm a minority here in thinking one should not be held criminally accountable for decisions made as a minor. All research of psychology and neuroscience strongly indicates that one's brain is still developing as a minor and that a minor's decision making process uses different parts of the brain as that as an adult.

I find it strange that crime is the only thing in which society deems it acceptable to treat minors as adults. I've never heard of such a concept as a minor being allowed to drink alcohol as an adult or vote as an adult or gamble as an adult, in everything se there is a hard line.

That is not to say this person is not a threat, her statements indicate she remains dangerous, but she should be treated for mental illness. She has been brainwashed and exploited. It may take a long time to undo that damage. I do not think the UK should merely let her back in and forget about her, but that she needs to be supervised until the time comes that she is deradicalized.

I am curious though as to what age one thinks one should be held responsible. What if she joined ISIS at age 13? 11? 8? 5?

What is age of consent? What is voting age?

Seriously dude you’ve never heard of the age of consent of 14? Or the fact that 16 year olds can vote in Austria? Or that teens can legally drink alcohol in many European nations?.

We treat minors as adults on several occasions

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It seems I'm a minority here in thinking one should not be held criminally accountable for decisions made as a minor. All research of psychology and neuroscience strongly indicates that one's brain is still developing as a minor and that a minor's decision making process uses different parts of the brain as that as an adult.

That doesn't mean that she or anyone else did not know the difference between right and wrong.

[Astoriya]

Giving birth to a child sired by one of em does sound like aiding their cause.

Oh yeah, those babies were vital to ISIS's evil plans.

What - making little soldiers to fight the great holy war?
Now that's something I wouldn't put past them

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Giving birth to a child sired by one of em does sound like aiding their cause.

Oh yeah, those babies were vital to ISIS's evil plans.

And that is why they must let in ISIS sympathizers and brides back in.

[Astoriya]

Oh yeah, those babies were vital to ISIS's evil plans.

And that is why they must let in ISIS sympathizers and brides back in.

Well, you could always try and solve the root of the problem of radicalisation.

[ShakaZuli]

This is a good lesson on why should be allow immigrants to have dual citizenship, even thoose who are born in a white country. If they make some bad thing it would be easy to strip them from citizenship and deport them back. Somebody should tell Orban that he should encourage refugees and immigrants to remain citizens of their native countries.

[Sovaal]

Because she abandoned her country to marry an enemy of that country.

So what? That's not a crime. She's not hurting anyone by being married to an ISIS fighter.

Say there was a Nazi insurrection in Germany, whole place is war torn, and not only is their a Nazis insurrection fighting the government but they’re also killing and enslaving tens of thousands of people that they see as inferior to them. Now say some woman flees Britain and marries an SS or something, if her own free will. Now say the Nazis has been crushed by the various forces they went up against. Would this woman, who of her own free will decided to support a movement that’s slaughtered and enslaved thousands of people, truly be considere to have “not hurt anyone” and to have committed not crime? Because Daesh is a fucking theocratic murderous war machine that has comitted many crimes against humanity, and I don’t see how one can support it and “not hurt anyone”.

[Ifreann]

Oh yeah, those babies were vital to ISIS's evil plans.

And that is why they must let in ISIS sympathizers and brides back in.

Can you explain to me how having a child with an ISIS fighter constitutes aiding and abetting ISIS?

[ShakaZuli]

So what? That's not a crime. She's not hurting anyone by being married to an ISIS fighter.

Say there was a Nazi insurrection in Germany, whole place is war torn, and not only is their a Nazis insurrection fighting the government but they’re also killing and enslaving tens of thousands of people that they see as inferior to them. Now say some woman flees Britain and marries an SS or something, if her own free will. Now say the Nazis has been crushed by the various forces they went up against. Would this woman, who of her own free will decided to support a movement that’s slaughtered and enslaved thousands of people, truly be considere to have “not hurt anyone” and to have committed not crime? Because Daesh is a fucking theocratic murderous war machine that has comitted many crimes against humanity, and I don’t see how one can support it and “not hurt anyone”.

That is not the same thing. The woman from UK who married a SS man is white, therefore she is evil whereas the ISIS bride is brown and cannot be evil.

[Thermodolia]

And that is why they must let in ISIS sympathizers and brides back in.

Well, you could always try and solve the root of the problem of radicalisation.

We’ve already figured out why people went. We don’t need her to do that

[Sicaris]

And that is why they must let in ISIS sympathizers and brides back in.

Can you explain to me how having a child with an ISIS fighter constitutes aiding and abetting ISIS?

Let’s see here;

- She ran away at a young age to join the group and assist them
- She believes in their ideology
- She married one of their soldiers
- She’s had children with this man, this actual human scum who decided to fight for religious war criminals too blinded by extremism to comprehend much else

[Sicaris]

And that is why they must let in ISIS sympathizers and brides back in.

Well, you could always try and solve the root of the problem of radicalisation.

Which we do by wiping out these groups.

[Thermodolia]

And that is why they must let in ISIS sympathizers and brides back in.

Can you explain to me how having a child with an ISIS fighter constitutes aiding and abetting ISIS?

Providing a brain to be brainwashed into eventually commit terrorism isn’t aiding and abetting? At the very least she’s committed child abuse

[Risottia]

Let's see what Assad's regime has in store for her.

A foreign national involved in crime? Most likely deportation. To Bangladesh in this case.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If she was found to be part of ISIS why let her back in?

She won't be stateless and more importantly she is part of a genocidal group of terrorists.

If she wanted to come back to the UK she should have thought of that before joining ISIS.