Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Ors Might]

When the flying fuck have I suggested they ask for a cot? I’ve said that if the hotel reneges on their reservation at the check in desk, they get their money back plus extra as compensation.

Let me get this straight. Social relations are sacred enough to prevent government interference, but economic interactions can go get fucked to the point where you can be forced into it?

sorry I mixed you up with someone else. I apologize

They should not be able to renege at the desk and leave someone with no place to stay. Finding out someone is gay or black is not a valid reason to break a contract.

Its a simple concept. You as an individual can choose who you are friends with and where you shop. A business being open to the public does not have the right to pick and choose who they associate with other then very specific circumstances.

I have a question for you. Since business have a right of freedom of association should the Americans with Disabilities act be repealed too?

You understand that people aren’t slaves to contracts? If the contract doesn’t specify that they are bound to accept you regardless of your identity, they have no moral requirement to not renege.

Business owners give up their right to choose who to interact with when they start a business? Hot take.

Yes. Have I been stuttering during this thread for you? Have my words not been coming in black and fucking white? Because I’m pretty sure you already knew what my position is.

[San Lumen]

sorry I mixed you up with someone else. I apologize

They should not be able to renege at the desk and leave someone with no place to stay. Finding out someone is gay or black is not a valid reason to break a contract.

Its a simple concept. You as an individual can choose who you are friends with and where you shop. A business being open to the public does not have the right to pick and choose who they associate with other then very specific circumstances.

I have a question for you. Since business have a right of freedom of association should the Americans with Disabilities act be repealed too?

You understand that people aren’t slaves to contracts? If the contract doesn’t specify that they are bound to accept you regardless of your identity, they have no moral requirement to not renege.

Business owners give up their right to choose who to interact with when they start a business? Hot take.

Yes. Have I been stuttering during this thread for you? Have my words not been coming in black and fucking white? Because I’m pretty sure you already knew what my position is.

I never said they where.

They can choose whoever they want to interact with outside their business. A business as a whole does not have nor should it have the right to bar people for things we've already discussed.

Wow. Just wow. A business should have the right to tell someone whose in a wheelchair, hearing or visually impaired, mentally challenged, has a stutter or any other disability to get out or they wont hire them because they don't feel like accommodating them? Shows what kind of person you truly are.

[Ors Might]

You understand that people aren’t slaves to contracts? If the contract doesn’t specify that they are bound to accept you regardless of your identity, they have no moral requirement to not renege.

Business owners give up their right to choose who to interact with when they start a business? Hot take.

Yes. Have I been stuttering during this thread for you? Have my words not been coming in black and fucking white? Because I’m pretty sure you already knew what my position is.

I never said they where.

They can choose whoever they want to interact with outside their business. A business as a whole does not have nor should it have the right to bar people for things we've already discussed.

Wow. Just wow. A business should have the right to tell someone whose in a wheelchair, hearing or visually impaired, mentally challenged, has a stutter or any other disability to get out or they wont hire them because they don't feel like accommodating them? Shows what kind of person you truly are.

Yes you have.

The business is at least primarily the property of the business owner. Saying that they can’t discriminate in their business is saying they can’t discriminate in an inherently significant chunk of their interactions.

Oh spare me your fake outrage. You wouldn’t complain if a gym refused to hire a quadriplegic.

[Galloism]

When the flying fuck have I suggested they ask for a cot? I’ve said that if the hotel reneges on their reservation at the check in desk, they get their money back plus extra as compensation.

Let me get this straight. Social relations are sacred enough to prevent government interference, but economic interactions can go get fucked to the point where you can be forced into it?

sorry I mixed you up with someone else. I apologize

They should not be able to renege at the desk and leave someone with no place to stay. Finding out someone is gay or black is not a valid reason to break a contract.

Its a simple concept. You as an individual can choose who you are friends with and where you shop. A business being open to the public does not have the right to pick and choose who they associate with other then very specific circumstances.

I have a question for you. Since business have a right of freedom of association should the Americans with Disabilities act be repealed too?

So... those KKK guests I keep asking about... what about them?

[San Lumen]

I never said they where.

They can choose whoever they want to interact with outside their business. A business as a whole does not have nor should it have the right to bar people for things we've already discussed.

Wow. Just wow. A business should have the right to tell someone whose in a wheelchair, hearing or visually impaired, mentally challenged, has a stutter or any other disability to get out or they wont hire them because they don't feel like accommodating them? Shows what kind of person you truly are.

Yes you have.

The business is at least primarily the property of the business owner. Saying that they can’t discriminate in their business is saying they can’t discriminate in an inherently significant chunk of their interactions.

Oh spare me your fake outrage. You wouldn’t complain if a gym refused to hire a quadriplegic.

How am i saying that they can't discriminate outside their their business?

Thats a absurd example. A quadriplegic is not capable of preforming the duties of the job.

sorry I mixed you up with someone else. I apologize

They should not be able to renege at the desk and leave someone with no place to stay. Finding out someone is gay or black is not a valid reason to break a contract.

Its a simple concept. You as an individual can choose who you are friends with and where you shop. A business being open to the public does not have the right to pick and choose who they associate with other then very specific circumstances.

I have a question for you. Since business have a right of freedom of association should the Americans with Disabilities act be repealed too?

So... those KKK guests I keep asking about... what about them?

Being part of a hate group is not a protected class. I think a hotel could legally refuse service too them.

[Hammer Britannia]

Being part of a hate group is not a protected class. I think a hotel could legally refuse service too them.

But why? What separates a "hate-group" from a religion (in the terms of protected class)?

[Galloism]

Yes you have.

The business is at least primarily the property of the business owner. Saying that they can’t discriminate in their business is saying they can’t discriminate in an inherently significant chunk of their interactions.

Oh spare me your fake outrage. You wouldn’t complain if a gym refused to hire a quadriplegic.

How am i saying that they can't discriminate outside their their business?

Thats a absurd example. A quadriplegic is not capable of preforming the duties of the job.

So... those KKK guests I keep asking about... what about them?

Being part of a hate group is not a protected class. I think a hotel could legally refuse service too them.

They're part a religion, the Church of the National Knights off the Ku Klux Klan, that many classify as a hate group. There's even a religious museum of the KKK classified and recognized as a 501(c)3 organization.

In Palestine, it's widely regarded that Judaism falls under basically the same category.

Let's say I'm from Palestine. Can I refuse service to Jews (on a religious, not ethnic, basis)?

After all - that's what you're doing to the KKK.

[Ors Might]

Yes you have.

The business is at least primarily the property of the business owner. Saying that they can’t discriminate in their business is saying they can’t discriminate in an inherently significant chunk of their interactions.

Oh spare me your fake outrage. You wouldn’t complain if a gym refused to hire a quadriplegic.

How am i saying that they can't discriminate outside their their business?

Thats a absurd example. A quadriplegic is not capable of preforming the duties of the job.

So... those KKK guests I keep asking about... what about them?

Being part of a hate group is not a protected class. I think a hotel could legally refuse service too them.

You’re saying they can’t discriminate in the majority of their interactions.

And thus one can discriminate against them? Remember, discrimination isn’t always baseless. If you just flat out won’t hire a certain demographic, that’s discriminatory.

[Galloism]

How am i saying that they can't discriminate outside their their business?

Thats a absurd example. A quadriplegic is not capable of preforming the duties of the job.

Being part of a hate group is not a protected class. I think a hotel could legally refuse service too them.

You’re saying they can’t discriminate in the majority of their interactions.

And thus one can discriminate against them? Remember, discrimination isn’t always baseless. If you just flat out won’t hire a certain demographic, that’s discriminatory.

If you get right down to it, the fact I won't hire a doctor without a medical degree is discriminatory. It's just eminently reasonable discrimination.

[San Lumen]

How am i saying that they can't discriminate outside their their business?

Thats a absurd example. A quadriplegic is not capable of preforming the duties of the job.

Being part of a hate group is not a protected class. I think a hotel could legally refuse service too them.

You’re saying they can’t discriminate in the majority of their interactions.

And thus one can discriminate against them? Remember, discrimination isn’t always baseless. If you just flat out won’t hire a certain demographic, that’s discriminatory.

A gym not hiring a quadriplegic because they arent capable of preforming the job responsibilities is not discrimination

If a business wanted to fire a white supremacist or neo nazi they have every right too which is what happened to many of those who marched in Charlottesville

[Galloism]

You’re saying they can’t discriminate in the majority of their interactions.

And thus one can discriminate against them? Remember, discrimination isn’t always baseless. If you just flat out won’t hire a certain demographic, that’s discriminatory.

A gym not hiring a quadriplegic because they arent capable of preforming the job responsibilities is not discrimination

Actually it very specifically is discrimination. It's just a kind that is both reasonable and allowable.

[Ors Might]

You’re saying they can’t discriminate in the majority of their interactions.

And thus one can discriminate against them? Remember, discrimination isn’t always baseless. If you just flat out won’t hire a certain demographic, that’s discriminatory.

A gym not hiring a quadriplegic because they arent capable of preforming the job responsibilities is not discrimination

If a a business wanted to fire a white supremacist or neo nazi they have every right too which is what happened to many of those who marched in Charlottesville

It’s discrimination in every sense of the word, just like firing someone for their political beliefs is discrimination.

[San Lumen]

A gym not hiring a quadriplegic because they arent capable of preforming the job responsibilities is not discrimination

If a a business wanted to fire a white supremacist or neo nazi they have every right too which is what happened to many of those who marched in Charlottesville

It’s discrimination in every sense of the word, just like firing someone for their political beliefs is discrimination.

There is a difference between political beliefs and being a Neo Nazi. A business does not have to condone that kind of reprehensible belief and would be totally within their rights to fire them

[Galloism]

It’s discrimination in every sense of the word, just like firing someone for their political beliefs is discrimination.

There is a difference between political beliefs and being a Neo Nazi. A business does not have to condone that kind of reprehensible belief and would be totally within their rights to fire them

Just to be clear, a business should be within their rights to fire someone that has reprehensible beliefs?

[Hammer Britannia]

It’s discrimination in every sense of the word, just like firing someone for their political beliefs is discrimination.

There is a difference between political beliefs and being a Neo Nazi.

Not really, no

And the KKK is not a Neo-Nazi organization.

[Galloism]

There is a difference between political beliefs and being a Neo Nazi.

Not really, no

And the KKK is not a Neo-Nazi organization.

Technically they are a church that predates the nazis, yes.

[San Lumen]

There is a difference between political beliefs and being a Neo Nazi. A business does not have to condone that kind of reprehensible belief and would be totally within their rights to fire them

Just to be clear, a business should be within their rights to fire someone that has reprehensible beliefs?

Well a fair number of those who marched in Charlottesville lost their jobs. So the answer is yes. They are under no obligation to condone it.

[Ors Might]

It’s discrimination in every sense of the word, just like firing someone for their political beliefs is discrimination.

There is a difference between political beliefs and being a Neo Nazi. A business does not have to condone that kind of reprehensible belief and would be totally within their rights to fire them

Neo-Nazism isn’t a political belief?

[San Lumen]

There is a difference between political beliefs and being a Neo Nazi. A business does not have to condone that kind of reprehensible belief and would be totally within their rights to fire them

Neo-Nazism isn’t a political belief?

It technically is and I dont think its covered under the laws that protect against discrimination for political beliefs

[Ors Might]

Neo-Nazism isn’t a political belief?

It technically is and I dont think its covered under the laws that protect against discrimination for political beliefs

There’s no “technically” about it. It’s a political belief. It not being covered under that law is pure hypocrisy. Then again, I’m not the one who thinks discrimination should be forbidden.

[San Lumen]

It technically is and I dont think its covered under the laws that protect against discrimination for political beliefs

There’s no “technically” about it. It’s a political belief. It not being covered under that law is pure hypocrisy. Then again, I’m not the one who thinks discrimination should be forbidden.

Those that were fired after Charlottesville were wrongly terminated?

Have we not established that I think it should be. Are there circumstances were it should be allowed? Yes and I gave one in the example you gave regarding a gym

[Ors Might]

There’s no “technically” about it. It’s a political belief. It not being covered under that law is pure hypocrisy. Then again, I’m not the one who thinks discrimination should be forbidden.

Those that were fired after Charlottesville were wrongly terminated?

Have we not established that I think it should be. Are there circumstances were it should be allowed? Yes and I gave one in the example you gave regarding a gym

Not at all. I want people to be able to be fired for their beliefs, along with everything else.

You’ve established it many times, to the point of word for word repetition.

[San Lumen]

Those that were fired after Charlottesville were wrongly terminated?

Have we not established that I think it should be. Are there circumstances were it should be allowed? Yes and I gave one in the example you gave regarding a gym

Not at all. I want people to be able to be fired for their beliefs, along with everything else.

You’ve established it many times, to the point of word for word repetition.

at least we agree on that what I do not agree on is someone being fired for being LGBT or a interracial relationship.

Why should they have to hide it out of fear of losing their job? That makes no sense to me. And you will of course say its forcing them to continue a relationship they dont want to be in or something like that.

[Ors Might]

Not at all. I want people to be able to be fired for their beliefs, along with everything else.

You’ve established it many times, to the point of word for word repetition.

at least we agree on that what I do not agree on is someone being fired for being LGBT or a interracial relationship.

Why should they have to hide it out of fear of losing their job? That makes no sense to me. And you will of course say its forcing them to continue a relationship they dont want to be in or something like that.

Is it or is it not wrong to force relationships upon those that don’t want them?

[San Lumen]

at least we agree on that what I do not agree on is someone being fired for being LGBT or a interracial relationship.

Why should they have to hide it out of fear of losing their job? That makes no sense to me. And you will of course say its forcing them to continue a relationship they dont want to be in or something like that.

Is it or is it not wrong to force relationships upon those that don’t want them?

In a non business setting yes. The government is not and should not be the thought police.