Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Telconi]

Really? Hotel reservations are absolute, no exceptions? News to me and to everyone else who’s ever had a reservation cancelled because of a complication.

A complication is not the color of your skin when you walk in the door.
A complication is broken plumbing, an emergency of some sort -- but you know that, you're simply being obtuse.

I've had hotel reservations cancelled for literally "lol we don't have a room for you, sorry" on the night I was scheduled to check in, at the desk...

[Ors Might]

A complication is not the color of your skin when you walk in the door.
A complication is broken plumbing, an emergency of some sort -- but you know that, you're simply being obtuse.

I've had hotel reservations cancelled for literally "lol we don't have a room for you, sorry" on the night I was scheduled to check in, at the desk...

But doesn’t the fact that it wasn’t because of your sexuality or race just make you feel better?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I've had hotel reservations cancelled for literally "lol we don't have a room for you, sorry" on the night I was scheduled to check in, at the desk...

But doesn’t the fact that it wasn’t because of your sexuality or race just make you feel better?

I mean to be honest someone would probably rather have a cancellation due to a nondescript issue rather than being told "their kind isnt wanted nor welcome here" but that's just me.

[San Lumen]

They can't simply break the contract for no good reason, and a reservation is very much a contract that both sides need to adhere to.

Apparently airline companies didn't get the memo.

since when can an airline simply decide yeah we are just going to cancel your reservation because we feel like it or dont like you?

[New haven america]

In the US, no, restaurants cannot refuse to service people based on race.

Neither can hotels.

What does the right to refuse service really mean? (In the US)

Most people here know that.

What they're arguing about isn't whether those measures/laws exist or not, they're arguing about how those laws are infringing on their personal freedoms and forcing a belief they don't agree with upon them.

[New haven america]

Apparently airline companies didn't get the memo.

since when can an airline simply decide yeah we are just going to cancel your reservation because we feel like it or dont like you?

Airlines overbook flights all the time and in order to mitigate this they pick and choose who's allowed on a certain flight or not (Hence, removing people because they feel like it).

[San Lumen]

In the US, no, restaurants cannot refuse to service people based on race.

Neither can hotels.

What does the right to refuse service really mean? (In the US)

Most people here know that.

What their arguing about isn't whether those measures/laws exist or not, they're arguing about how those laws are infringing on their personal freedoms and forcing a belief they don't agree with upon them.

And this alleged right to freedom of association doesnt exist and no one has laid out what the basis for it is. I laid out a great example earlier in the thread and the only response from the naysayers was their property their rules

[San Lumen]

Its a legitimate question. Thats if they would even advertise their policy

Guess it depends on how much they care. If it makes you feel any better, we could make it a legal requirement to specify in your advertising if you discriminate.

If your horrid idea ever came to pass then yes they should be required to specify in their advertising who they will not serve.

But it never would become law.

[Telconi]

Most people here know that.

What their arguing about isn't whether those measures/laws exist or not, they're arguing about how those laws are infringing on their personal freedoms and forcing a belief they don't agree with upon them.

And this alleged right to freedom of association doesnt exist and no one has laid out what the basis for it is. I laid out a great example earlier in the thread and the only response from the naysayers was their property their rules

Sure it does. Property. Yes, that's the point, their property, their rules. While it may be difficult for you to understand, there exist people, who hold beliefs, which are different than yours.

[Ors Might]

Most people here know that.

What their arguing about isn't whether those measures/laws exist or not, they're arguing about how those laws are infringing on their personal freedoms and forcing a belief they don't agree with upon them.

And this alleged right to freedom of association doesnt exist and no one has laid out what the basis for it is. I laid out a great example earlier in the thread and the only response from the naysayers was their property their rules

Your example was just you asking us what we would do if some of our wedding guests couldn’t get rooms at a hotel. It wasn’t that great an example. As for your assertion that freedom of association doesn’t exist, what do you think choosing whom you befriend entails? Is that not association?

Guess it depends on how much they care. If it makes you feel any better, we could make it a legal requirement to specify in your advertising if you discriminate.

If your horrid idea ever came to pass then yes they should be required to specify in their advertising who they will not serve.

But it never would become law.

You’ve yet to explain why it’s horrid beyond saying that it might inconvenience you.

[San Lumen]

And this alleged right to freedom of association doesnt exist and no one has laid out what the basis for it is. I laid out a great example earlier in the thread and the only response from the naysayers was their property their rules

Your example was just you asking us what we would do if some of our wedding guests couldn’t get rooms at a hotel. It wasn’t that great an example. As for your assertion that freedom of association doesn’t exist, what do you think choosing whom you befriend entails? Is that not association?

If your horrid idea ever came to pass then yes they should be required to specify in their advertising who they will not serve.

But it never would become law.

You’ve yet to explain why it’s horrid beyond saying that it might inconvenience you.

Why isn't it a great example? The government does not have the right to force you to be friends with anyone as it cannot legislate who you cannot with or your thoughts.

[Ors Might]

Your example was just you asking us what we would do if some of our wedding guests couldn’t get rooms at a hotel. It wasn’t that great an example. As for your assertion that freedom of association doesn’t exist, what do you think choosing whom you befriend entails? Is that not association?


You’ve yet to explain why it’s horrid beyond saying that it might inconvenience you.

Why isn't it a great example? The government does not have the right to force you to be friends with anyone as it cannot legislate who you cannot with or your thoughts.

Because it’s just you asking us what we’d do if we were inconvenienced in some way. Can the government force you to buy something?

[Telconi]

Your example was just you asking us what we would do if some of our wedding guests couldn’t get rooms at a hotel. It wasn’t that great an example. As for your assertion that freedom of association doesn’t exist, what do you think choosing whom you befriend entails? Is that not association?


You’ve yet to explain why it’s horrid beyond saying that it might inconvenience you.

Why isn't it a great example? The government does not have the right to force you to be friends with anyone as it cannot legislate who you cannot with or your thoughts.

They could make you act like it.

[Yusseria]

Apparently airline companies didn't get the memo.

since when can an airline simply decide yeah we are just going to cancel your reservation because we feel like it or dont like you?

hmmm

[San Lumen]

Why isn't it a great example? The government does not have the right to force you to be friends with anyone as it cannot legislate who you cannot with or your thoughts.

They could make you act like it.

No they can’t

since when can an airline simply decide yeah we are just going to cancel your reservation because we feel like it or dont like you?

hmmm

That was completely utterly unacceptable

[Yusseria]

They could make you act like it.

No they can’t

hmmm

That was completely utterly unacceptable

Well, now you can't pretend like it isn't legal in some instances anymore.

[San Lumen]

No they can’t
That was completely utterly unacceptable

Well, now you can't pretend like it isn't legal in some instances anymore.

That was not a case of discrimination. That was United Airlines doing something outrageous because they didn’t think to book seats for their employees on the plane

[Telconi]

They could make you act like it.

No they can’t

hmmm

That was completely utterly unacceptable

They can make you act like you want to hang it with a person, just as easily as they can make you act like you want to do business with a person.

[New haven america]

And this alleged right to freedom of association doesnt exist and no one has laid out what the basis for it is. I laid out a great example earlier in the thread and the only response from the naysayers was their property their rules

Sure it does. Property. Yes, that's the point, their property, their rules. While it may be difficult for you to understand, there exist people, who hold beliefs, which are different than yours.

Unless you own a property that's, oh, IDK, a business open to the public. In which case, you're going to be told "Tough shit" if you want to discriminate against people.

We've been over this multiple times before and yet you still don't seem to understand this fact or the history behind the laws.

[Estanglia]

Most people here know that.

What their arguing about isn't whether those measures/laws exist or not, they're arguing about how those laws are infringing on their personal freedoms and forcing a belief they don't agree with upon them.

And this alleged right to freedom of association doesnt exist

It does. Are you forced to make friends with someone? Are you forced to buy from someone?

and no one has laid out what the basis for it is.

If you're talking about the freedom to discriminate, we have.

I laid out a great example earlier in the thread and the only response from the naysayers was their property their rules

Because it is their property? I don't see why you expected something else when that has been our argument from the start.

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Guess it depends on how much they care. If it makes you feel any better, we could make it a legal requirement to specify in your advertising if you discriminate.

If your horrid idea ever came to pass then yes they should be required to specify in their advertising who they will not serve.

But it never would become law.

What makes it horrid?

Unfortunately.

[Telconi]

Sure it does. Property. Yes, that's the point, their property, their rules. While it may be difficult for you to understand, there exist people, who hold beliefs, which are different than yours.

Unless you own a property that's, oh, IDK, a business open to the public. In which case, you're going to be told "Tough shit" if you want to discriminate against people.

We've been over this multiple times before and yet you still don't seem to understand this fact or the history behind the laws.

Dislike of a policy is synonymous with ignorance?

[Mystic Warriors]

Its a legitimate question. Thats if they would even advertise their policy

Guess it depends on how much they care. If it makes you feel any better, we could make it a legal requirement to specify in your advertising if you discriminate.

Or not discriminate?


Why are you trying to bring us backwards?

[Mystic Warriors]

And this alleged right to freedom of association doesnt exist

It does. Are you forced to make friends with someone? Are you forced to buy from someone?

and no one has laid out what the basis for it is.

If you're talking about the freedom to discriminate, we have.

I laid out a great example earlier in the thread and the only response from the naysayers was their property their rules

Because it is their property? I don't see why you expected something else when that has been our argument from the start.

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If your horrid idea ever came to pass then yes they should be required to specify in their advertising who they will not serve.

But it never would become law.

What makes it horrid?

Unfortunately.

Making it to legal to discriminate is horrid, making it public you are doing it is worse. I wish CNN would run a story on this.

[Yusseria]

Well, now you can't pretend like it isn't legal in some instances anymore.

That was not a case of discrimination. That was United Airlines doing something outrageous because they didn’t think to book seats for their employees on the plane

The post I was responding to claimed reservations are contracts that cannot be broken. I showed that that's false.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Guess it depends on how much they care. If it makes you feel any better, we could make it a legal requirement to specify in your advertising if you discriminate.

Or not discriminate?


Why are you trying to bring us backwards?

There is no us.
Just people wanting to live their lives their way without interference.