Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[San Lumen]

at the very last minute too? If that is the case why shouldnt anyone hosting an event at a hotel or any other venue have to ask first if they welcome all regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation?

They probably should. You know, because making sure there aren’t any complications housing your guests is a pretty basic part of hosting an event?

I dont understand why anyone should have to ask such an absurd question

[Ors Might]

They probably should. You know, because making sure there aren’t any complications housing your guests is a pretty basic part of hosting an event?

I dont understand why anyone should have to ask such an absurd question

You don’t see why someone should have to ask the venue if there’s any potential problems with their guest list?

[Sirocca]

They're old, and don't make enough money for the channels that previously paid for and run them.

They do make money for the stations that bought them in syndication.

MTV did make B&B though, during their experimental era when they were basically Adult Swim. (You know, Aeon Flux, 3D Spider-man, etc...)

How much power over rights does MTV itself have over B&B exactly?

[Telconi]

They probably should. You know, because making sure there aren’t any complications housing your guests is a pretty basic part of hosting an event?

I dont understand why anyone should have to ask such an absurd question

Nobody has to, but checking on potential problems with travel is probably a good idea when planning for an event.

[San Lumen]

I dont understand why anyone should have to ask such an absurd question

You don’t see why someone should have to ask the venue if there’s any potential problems with their guest list?

Like asking if LGBT people or African Americans are welcome there? Why should anyone have to ask that of any venue?

And how are they going to know whose LGBT or black before they get there? Do you have to disclose we have a gay couple coming, a few Asians and several African Americans will that be ok?

[Ors Might]

You don’t see why someone should have to ask the venue if there’s any potential problems with their guest list?

Like asking if LGBT people or African Americans are welcome there? Why should anyone have to ask that of any venue?

And how are they going to know whose LGBT or black before they get there? Do you have to disclose we have a gay couple coming, a few Asians and several African Americans will that be ok?

Buddy, you’re making the assumption that I have any insight into how hotels will advertise their discrimination policies once their right to free association is affirmed. I bag groceries for a living.

[Ohioan Territory]

In an ideal world--a utopia, perhaps--yes. People should entirely have the right to discriminate. Because, ideally, if someone discriminates against you, the free market would make up for the discrimination. I.e., there's always someone to give you business.

However, we don't live in an ideal world. The free market does not work perfectly like that. So, no, there shouldn't be a right to discriminate.

[Ors Might]

In an ideal world--a utopia, perhaps--yes. People should entirely have the right to discriminate. Because, ideally, if someone discriminates against you, the free market would make up for the discrimination. I.e., there's always someone to give you business.

However, we don't live in an ideal world. The free market does not work perfectly like that. So, no, there shouldn't be a right to discriminate.

On what grounds should one not be allowed to discriminate on? Are we talking the full Civil Rights Act or are you meaning literally every aspect of a person that doesn’t directly prevent them from behaving themselves?

[Ohioan Territory]

In an ideal world--a utopia, perhaps--yes. People should entirely have the right to discriminate. Because, ideally, if someone discriminates against you, the free market would make up for the discrimination. I.e., there's always someone to give you business.

However, we don't live in an ideal world. The free market does not work perfectly like that. So, no, there shouldn't be a right to discriminate.

On what grounds should one not be allowed to discriminate on? Are we talking the full Civil Rights Act or are you meaning literally every aspect of a person that doesn’t directly prevent them from behaving themselves?

I suppose one should have the right to discriminate socially. A person should be allowed to say, "I'm choosing not to hang with white people because I don't like white people." From a perspective with transactions and employment, though, I don't think there should be a right. An employer should not be allowed to not hire people solely based on their race, religion, so on. Same goes for a business selling to someone.

[Ors Might]

On what grounds should one not be allowed to discriminate on? Are we talking the full Civil Rights Act or are you meaning literally every aspect of a person that doesn’t directly prevent them from behaving themselves?

I suppose one should have the right to discriminate socially. A person should be allowed to say, "I'm choosing not to hang with white people because I don't like white people." From a perspective with transactions and employment, though, I don't think there should be a right. An employer should not be allowed to not hire people solely based on their race, religion, so on. Same goes for a business selling to someone.

I disagree with you but I can respect that you’re not wussing out with exceptions. Can you elaborate on exactly why you feel that way? I consider the right to freedom of association to be integral to social, political, and economic interaction, hence why I believe in the freedom to discriminate. What sort of basis are you building your position on?

[Galloism]

On what grounds should one not be allowed to discriminate on? Are we talking the full Civil Rights Act or are you meaning literally every aspect of a person that doesn’t directly prevent them from behaving themselves?

I suppose one should have the right to discriminate socially. A person should be allowed to say, "I'm choosing not to hang with white people because I don't like white people." From a perspective with transactions and employment, though, I don't think there should be a right. An employer should not be allowed to not hire people solely based on their race, religion, so on. Same goes for a business selling to someone.

So, as a hypothetical, we should force the Jewish baker to sell cakes for the KKK revival, potluck, and cross burning?

Just want to check.

[San Lumen]

Like asking if LGBT people or African Americans are welcome there? Why should anyone have to ask that of any venue?

And how are they going to know whose LGBT or black before they get there? Do you have to disclose we have a gay couple coming, a few Asians and several African Americans will that be ok?

Buddy, you’re making the assumption that I have any insight into how hotels will advertise their discrimination policies once their right to free association is affirmed. I bag groceries for a living.

Its a legitimate question. Thats if they would even advertise their policy

[Ors Might]

Buddy, you’re making the assumption that I have any insight into how hotels will advertise their discrimination policies once their right to free association is affirmed. I bag groceries for a living.

Its a legitimate question. Thats if they would even advertise their policy

Guess it depends on how much they care. If it makes you feel any better, we could make it a legal requirement to specify in your advertising if you discriminate.

[Telconi]

Its a legitimate question. Thats if they would even advertise their policy

Guess it depends on how much they care. If it makes you feel any better, we could make it a legal requirement to specify in your advertising if you discriminate.

Usually signs seem to be the preferred method.

[Katganistan]

Why? What if I drove or flew in a long distance? I should now have to find a new hotel after I was already expecting to stay there?

You had an agreement with the hotel, your currency in exchange for service. The hotel chose to exit that agreement after gaining information that they previously didn’t have and returned to you your currency. It sucks for you, yeah, but I don’t see how in this situation you’re entitled to stay at that hotel. They broke off the agreement you had and returned your currency to you.

They can't simply break the contract for no good reason, and a reservation is very much a contract that both sides need to adhere to.

[Katganistan]

I will never understand this obsession some people have with being able to treat others as subhuman for arbitrary reasons.

Need to feel superior to cover their own insecurities.

[Katganistan]

And why should a business have the right to refuse service to people the management doesnt like because of already mentioned reasons?

Because businesses should not be compelled to enter into contracts they do not wish to enter into contracts with.

So, businesses can refuse to serve people with disabilities, because they just don't want to serve them.

[Katganistan]

In the US, no, restaurants cannot refuse to service people based on race.

Neither can hotels.

What does the right to refuse service really mean? (In the US)

[Ors Might]

You had an agreement with the hotel, your currency in exchange for service. The hotel chose to exit that agreement after gaining information that they previously didn’t have and returned to you your currency. It sucks for you, yeah, but I don’t see how in this situation you’re entitled to stay at that hotel. They broke off the agreement you had and returned your currency to you.

They can't simply break the contract for no good reason, and a reservation is very much a contract that both sides need to adhere to.

Really? Hotel reservations are absolute, no exceptions? News to me and to everyone else who’s ever had a reservation cancelled because of a complication.

[Ors Might]

In the US, no, restaurants cannot refuse to service people based on race.

Neither can hotels.

We’re all aware of what the law is.

[Katganistan]

They can't simply break the contract for no good reason, and a reservation is very much a contract that both sides need to adhere to.

Really? Hotel reservations are absolute, no exceptions? News to me and to everyone else who’s ever had a reservation cancelled because of a complication.

A complication is not the color of your skin when you walk in the door.
A complication is broken plumbing, an emergency of some sort -- but you know that, you're simply being obtuse.

[Katganistan]

In the US, no, restaurants cannot refuse to service people based on race.

Neither can hotels.

We’re all aware of what the law is.

Apparently not, from some of the bullshit spewed in this thread.

[Ors Might]

Really? Hotel reservations are absolute, no exceptions? News to me and to everyone else who’s ever had a reservation cancelled because of a complication.

A complication is not the color of your skin when you walk in the door.
A complication is broken plumbing, an emergency of some sort -- but you know that, you're simply being obtuse.

The hotel not wanting people like me to stay there would certainly make my attempts to have a reservation complicated.

We’re all aware of what the law is.

Apparently not, from some of the bullshit spewed in this thread.

Really? Because from what I’ve read, we’ve all been arguing over whether or not the law should be changed. You’re the only one that seems to be confused on that.

[Yusseria]

You had an agreement with the hotel, your currency in exchange for service. The hotel chose to exit that agreement after gaining information that they previously didn’t have and returned to you your currency. It sucks for you, yeah, but I don’t see how in this situation you’re entitled to stay at that hotel. They broke off the agreement you had and returned your currency to you.

They can't simply break the contract for no good reason, and a reservation is very much a contract that both sides need to adhere to.

Apparently airline companies didn't get the memo.

[Telconi]

We’re all aware of what the law is.

Apparently not, from some of the bullshit spewed in this thread.

You do understand that it's possible to be aware of a law, and simultaneously believe that it should be changed or repealed right?