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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:07 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:It's the fundamental failure of justifying emotional responses after the fact.

It would be worth note we do force businesses to serve underserved areas and lose money on it in some cases.

The telephone system comes to mind.

Phone service and banks are different than if your little town has no restaurants.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:It would be worth note we do force businesses to serve underserved areas and lose money on it in some cases.

The telephone system comes to mind.

Phone service and banks are different than if your little town has no restaurants.


Obviously a telephone isnt a dinner, but why should they be treated differently?
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Postby Galloism » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:It would be worth note we do force businesses to serve underserved areas and lose money on it in some cases.

The telephone system comes to mind.

Phone service and banks are different than if your little town has no restaurants.

I mean, arguably food is more of a need than either banking or telephone service.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Phone service and banks are different than if your little town has no restaurants.

I mean, arguably food is more of a need than either banking or telephone service.

Yes true but you can't force supermarket to be built. My relatives town doesnt have one. They either go to the town to the north for a market that's not very good or Cortland or Ithaca.

If we could simply do what you suggest then why hasn't it been done in every small town?

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Postby Estanglia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:It would be worth note we do force businesses to serve underserved areas and lose money on it in some cases.

The telephone system comes to mind.

Phone service and banks are different than if your little town has no restaurants.


Food is arguably more a necessity than either of the other two mentioned.

And provide a reason for the difference being such that phone services and banks are forced to operate in certain areas.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, arguably food is more of a need than either banking or telephone service.

Yes true but you can't force supermarket to be built. My relatives town doesnt have one. They either go to the town to the north for a market that's not very good or Cortland or Ithaca.

If we could simply do what you suggest then why hasn't it been done in every small town?

But you can force banks to be built?
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, arguably food is more of a need than either banking or telephone service.

Yes true but you can't force supermarket to be built. My relatives town doesnt have one. They either go to the town to the north for a market that's not very good or Cortland or Ithaca.

If we could simply do what you suggest then why hasn't it been done in every small town?


But you can force banks to be built. And force supermarkets to serve everyone. All using your logic. Seems strange there's randomly an exception here.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:29 pm

Estanglia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Phone service and banks are different than if your little town has no restaurants.


Food is arguably more a necessity than either of the other two mentioned.

And provide a reason for the difference being such that phone services and banks are forced to operate in certain areas.


Phone service to be connected and the area in question was a major metropolitan area. Why has no one in my relatives town sued to have a bank built in their town?

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Postby Estanglia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Food is arguably more a necessity than either of the other two mentioned.

And provide a reason for the difference being such that phone services and banks are forced to operate in certain areas.


Phone service to be connected and the area in question was a major metropolitan area. Why has no one in my relatives town sued to have a bank built in their town?


Because they understand that they can't force people to serve them?
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:33 pm

Estanglia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Phone service to be connected and the area in question was a major metropolitan area. Why has no one in my relatives town sued to have a bank built in their town?


Because they understand that they can't force people to serve them?


and by that logic we should allow business to treat non whites or non Christians differently or not serve them at all and just eliminate the CRA and anti discrimination laws?

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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Food is arguably more a necessity than either of the other two mentioned.

And provide a reason for the difference being such that phone services and banks are forced to operate in certain areas.


Phone service to be connected and the area in question was a major metropolitan area. Why has no one in my relatives town sued to have a bank built in their town?


Maybe they have? Maybe they don't want to? How is it relevant?
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Because they understand that they can't force people to serve them?


and by that logic we should allow business to treat non whites or non Christians differently or not serve them at all and just eliminate the CRA and anti discrimination laws?


Has that not been my point throughout this thread?

All parts of all discrimination protections pertaining to entirely private entities should be removed.
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Meh: Labour, the EU
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I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Postby Galloism » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, arguably food is more of a need than either banking or telephone service.

Yes true but you can't force supermarket to be built.


We forced a bank to be built. Functionally, a supermarket is still just a building with the extra complication of refrigeration, but loses the complication of needing an actual vault. I don't see what the substantial difference is. We could force either one if we wanted to.

My relatives town doesnt have one. They either go to the town to the north for a market that's not very good or Cortland or Ithaca.

If we could simply do what you suggest then why hasn't it been done in every small town?


Because we don't care about small town people as an actual group, basically.

We are taking steps to improve fresh food availability in black neighborhoods. Kind of interesting.
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Postby Israeli Tuamotu Archipelago » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:Recently I have seen comments and heard several politicians say there ought to be a right to discriminate by privately owned business of which the rationale I dont understand

According to some the Civil Rights Act and anti discrimination laws should apply only to government owned business or essential services like a hotel, that it is the owners right to choose who they do business with or who they hire.

Where in the constitution is this alleged right?

No one should face discrimination simply because of what they look like or because they are LGBT. Everyone is equal under the law and deserves to be treated equally .

If you want to discriminate then open a private club though I dont think even a business like Costco would be able to get away with only allowing certain groups of people to shop there. If your open to the public you serve all or none at all.

What say you NSG? Should there be a right to discriminate?


Yes you should have a right to discriminate. If you respect free speech then respect the right to hate speech otherwise you don't believe in free speech. Maybe I don't like LGBTQ+? Well it is my right to dislike them. I cannot physically hurt them but if I don't want to hire them I shouldn't have too, it is my company I can hire who I want and serve who I want. I'm religious and I don't like transgender people, I should have the right to deny them service.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Because they understand that they can't force people to serve them?


and by that logic we should allow business to treat non whites or non Christians differently or not serve them at all and just eliminate the CRA and anti discrimination laws?


Yes.
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-Unnecessary Taxes
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-Foreign Entanglements
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Because they understand that they can't force people to serve them?


and by that logic we should allow business to treat non whites or non Christians differently or not serve them at all and just eliminate the CRA and anti discrimination laws?

Have we been stuttering?
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:18 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
and by that logic we should allow business to treat non whites or non Christians differently or not serve them at all and just eliminate the CRA and anti discrimination laws?

Have we been stuttering?


With the amount of times we've answered this question he should be able to remember the answer.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:02 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Have we been stuttering?


With the amount of times we've answered this question he should be able to remember the answer.

187 pages and he’s still asking it.
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:28 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
With the amount of times we've answered this question he should be able to remember the answer.

187 pages and he’s still asking it.


Pretty impressive, in all honesty.
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(Taken 29/08/2020)
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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
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8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:47 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:187 pages and he’s still asking it.


Pretty impressive, in all honesty.

Atleast the lad has tenacity. A considerable strength of character. To bad its wasted on relatively minor things.
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Postby Israeli Tuamotu Archipelago » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:45 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
Pretty impressive, in all honesty.

Atleast the lad has tenacity. A considerable strength of character. To bad its wasted on relatively minor things.

Kinda funny actually
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:21 pm

Israeli Tuamotu Archipelago wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Atleast the lad has tenacity. A considerable strength of character. To bad its wasted on relatively minor things.

Kinda funny actually

What's funny? Im not the topic of the thread.

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Postby Ors Might » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Israeli Tuamotu Archipelago wrote:Kinda funny actually

What's funny? Im not the topic of the thread.

If you don’t want to be the topic, don’t ask the same damned questions for nearly two hundred pages. It’s annoying.
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Postby Estanglia » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:51 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What's funny? Im not the topic of the thread.

If you don’t want to be the topic, don’t ask the same damned questions for nearly two hundred pages. It’s annoying.


Especially when points of ours that would actually lead somewhere are ignored to repeat things already said in the thread, ignoring the point entirely.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:19 am

Estanglia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:If you don’t want to be the topic, don’t ask the same damned questions for nearly two hundred pages. It’s annoying.


Especially when points of ours that would actually lead somewhere are ignored to repeat things already said in the thread, ignoring the point entirely.


or maybe we could just treat everyone equally in a business and if you dont like it close your doors.

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