Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Telconi]

Fine them if they don't which is how other bans on discrimination are enforced.

You keep saying that, but you're still wrong.

fine them for not having a location in every single municipality? Thats absurd

A business thats not making a profit can keep its doors open?

No more absurd than fining businesses for having beliefs different from yours.

Of course not, what gave you that idea?

[Telconi]

I mean, for the bank we did it to, we threatened to fine them out the ass if they didn't.

so why isnt this being done for restaurants or stores? A place like the town i mentioned is a prime example. Why is it not being done there?

Because "Rural New Yorker" isnt one of your special protected classes.

[San Lumen]

so why isnt this being done for restaurants or stores? A place like the town i mentioned is a prime example. Why is it not being done there?

Because we don't care about country folk, basically.

Really that's your answer?

We dont care about country folk so we wont force a Panera Bread or Applebee's to be built there? Is there some mass conspiracy to discriminate against country folk?

[Galloism]

Because we don't care about country folk, basically.

Really that's your answer?

We dont care about country folk so we wont force a Panera Bread or Applebee's to be built there? Is there some mass conspiracy to discriminate against country folk?

No, rather we just don't care enough about them to make them protected like we do poor black neighborhoods.

Which is why we can force banks to actually open physical branches in poor black neighborhoods, but no one has ever tried to do that in a poor rural area.

It's downright impressive how little we care about country folk as a group, really.

[Telconi]

Because we don't care about country folk, basically.

Really that's your answer?

We dont care about country folk so we wont force a Panera Bread or Applebee's to be built there? Is there some mass conspiracy to discriminate against country folk?

Was there some mass conspiracy to discriminate against blacks?

[San Lumen]

fine them for not having a location in every single municipality? Thats absurd

A business thats not making a profit can keep its doors open?

No more absurd than fining businesses for having beliefs different from yours.

Of course not, what gave you that idea?

Yes it is. Its patently absurd

Your the one saying that a small town of a few hundred should have a restaurant or store in it that would not make very much money but it must be there otherwise its discrimination.

so why isnt this being done for restaurants or stores? A place like the town i mentioned is a prime example. Why is it not being done there?

Because "Rural New Yorker" isnt one of your special protected classes.

first of all a community is not a person therefore it doesnt have any rights.

A municipality has nearly sole rights to determine what gets built there. If you want to open a business or make alterations to your house you have to go to city hall unless your community is different somehow. Maybe the town doesnt want Applebees there or they have tried and gotten denied.

Lets use another example Hamilton County, New Yorks least populous county. It only has 4000 people. Because of its location in the Adirondack Park, any development in the county is restricted by the New York State Constitution, which designates the park as "forever wild. Should the residents of the county sue the state for discriminatory language in the constitution?

[Galloism]

Yes it is. Its patently absurd

Your the one saying that a small town of a few hundred should have a restaurant or store in it that would not make very much money but it must be there otherwise its discrimination.

I mean, that's what we did with the bank, except it was a poor community where the bank would not make very much money (or even lose money), rather than a small town. But functionally, we told them either you open a bank where you lose money, or we'll fine the shit out of you.

[San Lumen]

Yes it is. Its patently absurd

Your the one saying that a small town of a few hundred should have a restaurant or store in it that would not make very much money but it must be there otherwise its discrimination.

I mean, that's what we did with the bank, except it was a poor community where the bank would not make very much money (or even lose money), rather than a small town. But functionally, we told them either you open a bank where you lose money, or we'll fine the shit out of you.

Like I said before a bank and a restaurant are two different things.

[Galloism]

I mean, that's what we did with the bank, except it was a poor community where the bank would not make very much money (or even lose money), rather than a small town. But functionally, we told them either you open a bank where you lose money, or we'll fine the shit out of you.

Like I said before a bank and a restaurant are two different things.

So should we force banks to open in undeserved small towns?

I know of about a dozen towns nearby with no banks. Of course my slightly less small town has 11 of them. But maybe we should force them to open banks in underserved communities where they'll lose money, since banks and restaurants are different.

[Telconi]

No more absurd than fining businesses for having beliefs different from yours.

Of course not, what gave you that idea?

Yes it is. Its patently absurd

Your the one saying that a small town of a few hundred should have a restaurant or store in it that would not make very much money but it must be there otherwise its discrimination.

Because "Rural New Yorker" isnt one of your special protected classes.

first of all a community is not a person therefore it doesnt have any rights.

A municipality has nearly sole rights to determine what gets built there. If you want to open a business or make alterations to your house you have to go to city hall unless your community is different somehow. Maybe the town doesnt want Applebees there or they have tried and gotten denied.

Lets use another example Hamilton County, New Yorks least populous county. It only has 4000 people. Because of its location in the Adirondack Park, any development in the county is restricted by the New York State Constitution, which designates the park as "forever wild. Should the residents of the county sue the state for discriminatory language in the constitution?

I agree it's patently absurd. I also stick by the fact that it's no more absurd than punishing a business because the owner doesn't act on your beliefs.

Got some sauce on that claim?

[San Lumen]

Like I said before a bank and a restaurant are two different things.

So should we force banks to open in undeserved small towns?

I know of about a dozen towns nearby with no banks. Of course my slightly less small town has 11 of them. But maybe we should force them to open banks in underserved communities where they'll lose money, since banks and restaurants are different.

My aunt and uncle drive to the town to north for their banking. They have never complained about it and none of their neighbors have either.

Yes it is. Its patently absurd

Your the one saying that a small town of a few hundred should have a restaurant or store in it that would not make very much money but it must be there otherwise its discrimination.



first of all a community is not a person therefore it doesnt have any rights.

A municipality has nearly sole rights to determine what gets built there. If you want to open a business or make alterations to your house you have to go to city hall unless your community is different somehow. Maybe the town doesnt want Applebees there or they have tried and gotten denied.

Lets use another example Hamilton County, New Yorks least populous county. It only has 4000 people. Because of its location in the Adirondack Park, any development in the county is restricted by the New York State Constitution, which designates the park as "forever wild. Should the residents of the county sue the state for discriminatory language in the constitution?

I agree it's patently absurd. I also stick by the fact that it's no more absurd than punishing a business because the owner doesn't act on your beliefs.

Got some sauce on that claim?

If you agree its absurd why are you continuing to claim that its discriminatory for my relatives town and others like it to have very little business?

Which claim? About Hamilton County?

Here you go: https://www.dos.ny.gov/info/constitution.htm

It says in Article XIV of the New York Constitution that Hamilton County which is entirely within Adirondack Park is forever wild therefore development is limited.

[Telconi]

So should we force banks to open in undeserved small towns?

I know of about a dozen towns nearby with no banks. Of course my slightly less small town has 11 of them. But maybe we should force them to open banks in underserved communities where they'll lose money, since banks and restaurants are different.

My aunt and uncle drive to the town to north for their banking.

I agree it's patently absurd. I also stick by the fact that it's no more absurd than punishing a business because the owner doesn't act on your beliefs.

Got some sauce on that claim?

If you agree its absurd why are you continuing to claim that its discriminatory for my relatives town and others like it to have very little business?

Which claim? About Hamilton County?

Here you go: https://www.dos.ny.gov/info/constitution.htm

It says in Article XIV of the New York Constitution that Hamilton County which is entirely within Adirondack Park is forever wild there development is limited.

Because it is discriminatory.

No, the part where I have supported forcing businesses to open locations. I have simply said it's possible to do, and less absurd than forcing beliefs on businesses, which you already support.

[Galloism]

So should we force banks to open in undeserved small towns?

I know of about a dozen towns nearby with no banks. Of course my slightly less small town has 11 of them. But maybe we should force them to open banks in underserved communities where they'll lose money, since banks and restaurants are different.

My aunt and uncle drive to the town to north for their banking. They have never complained about it and none of their neighbors have either.

So?

[San Lumen]

My aunt and uncle drive to the town to north for their banking.
If you agree its absurd why are you continuing to claim that its discriminatory for my relatives town and others like it to have very little business?

Which claim? About Hamilton County?

Here you go: https://www.dos.ny.gov/info/constitution.htm

It says in Article XIV of the New York Constitution that Hamilton County which is entirely within Adirondack Park is forever wild there development is limited.

Because it is discriminatory.

No, the part where I have supported forcing businesses to open locations. I have simply said it's possible to do, and less absurd than forcing beliefs on businesses, which you already support.

So what is your solution then force large chain restaurants and stores to open locations there?

There is another way and its what most people would do. You get together what you need and go to town hall and get a building permit to open your own shop or restaurant.

[San Lumen]

My aunt and uncle drive to the town to north for their banking. They have never complained about it and none of their neighbors have either.

So?

Why should a big bank be forced to open a location there? They have two community banks in the town to the north with is barely ten minutes away.

[Galloism]

So?

Why should a big bank be forced to open a location there? They have two community banks in the town to the north with is barely ten minutes away.

That black communities had banks located even closer than that. The settlement explicitly acknowledged another bank already had banks in that area.

[San Lumen]

Why should a big bank be forced to open a location there? They have two community banks in the town to the north with is barely ten minutes away.

That black communities had banks located even closer than that. The settlement explicitly acknowledged another bank already had banks in that area.

Ok and the same should happen in this instance of my relatives town too?

[Galloism]

That black communities had banks located even closer than that. The settlement explicitly acknowledged another bank already had banks in that area.

Ok and the same should happen in this instance too?

Should it?

You said banks are different and can be forced to open money losing enterprises to make sure people are treated equally. Those towns aren't being treated any more unequally than the aforementioned black community are they?

[Telconi]

Because it is discriminatory.

No, the part where I have supported forcing businesses to open locations. I have simply said it's possible to do, and less absurd than forcing beliefs on businesses, which you already support.

So what is your solution then force large chain restaurants and stores to open locations there?

There is another way and its what most people would do. You get together what you need and go to town hall and get a building permit to open your own shop or restaurant.

What is my solution to what?

[San Lumen]

Ok and the same should happen in this instance too?

Should it?

You said banks are different and can be forced to open money losing enterprises to make sure people are treated equally. Those towns aren't being treated any more unequally than the aforementioned black community are they?

No as they have a community bank a short ride away. If the closest bank was Ithaca or Cortland Id agree with you in this instance

[Telconi]

Should it?

You said banks are different and can be forced to open money losing enterprises to make sure people are treated equally. Those towns aren't being treated any more unequally than the aforementioned black community are they?

No as they have a community bank a short ride away. If the closest bank was Ithaca or Cortland Id agree with you in this instance

What if they didn't have a car?

[San Lumen]

No as they have a community bank a short ride away. If the closest bank was Ithaca or Cortland Id agree with you in this instance

What if they didn't have a car?

get an Uber or Lyft?

[Galloism]

Should it?

You said banks are different and can be forced to open money losing enterprises to make sure people are treated equally. Those towns aren't being treated any more unequally than the aforementioned black community are they?

No as they have a community bank a short ride away. If the closest bank was Ithaca or Cortland Id agree with you in this instance

So were we wrong to force a bank to open branches in majority black neighborhoods?

[Galloism]

What if they didn't have a car?

get an Uber or Lyft?

Neither Uber nor Lyft service my area. We also don't have a cab company, before you ask.

[San Lumen]

No as they have a community bank a short ride away. If the closest bank was Ithaca or Cortland Id agree with you in this instance

So were we wrong to force a bank to open branches in majority black neighborhoods?

No