Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Telconi]

It is, but that's also irrelevant to your ideological consistency, or lack thereof.

How? I just showed how it’s not. Prove otherwise

How what?

[San Lumen]

How? I just showed how it’s not. Prove otherwise

How what?

How a small rural town not having any restaurants or stores is discrimination. I gave a prime example. Jefferson City contains more than half the population of Cole County, Missouri. All other municipalities in the county are very small. It’s more profitable to place a location there. It’s a business decision based on population

[Telconi]

How what?

How a small rural town not having any restaurants or stores is discrimination. I gave a prime example. Jefferson City contains more than half the population of Cole County, Missouri. All other municipalities in the county are very small. It’s more profitable to place a location there. It’s a business decision based on population

You answered your own question, It's discrimination on the basis of population.

[San Lumen]

How a small rural town not having any restaurants or stores is discrimination. I gave a prime example. Jefferson City contains more than half the population of Cole County, Missouri. All other municipalities in the county are very small. It’s more profitable to place a location there. It’s a business decision based on population

You answered your own question, It's discrimination on the basis of population.

No it is not discrimination. The location in the small town of a few hundred likely isn’t going to generate enough profit

[Galloism]

I'm still curious about this.

I still want to know why some public businesses should get the right to discriminate based on protected characteristics, but others shouldn't, from San Lumen's point of view.

why not?

I dont know. Considering that prostitution is a sexual act I dont think the government could or should compel someone to have intimate relations with someone they dont want too.

But why should black people not have the service of prostitutes? They're open for business to the public.

[Galloism]

You answered your own question, It's discrimination on the basis of population.

No it is not discrimination. The location in the small town of a few hundred likely isn’t going to generate enough profit

I mean, that's basically the reasoning banks used for redlining - they couldn't make a profit in those neighborhoods.

[Grinning Dragon]

You answered your own question, It's discrimination on the basis of population.

No it is not discrimination. The location in the small town of a few hundred likely isn’t going to generate enough profit

Hmm, lets see:

Definition of discrimination

1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment racial discrimination
b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing the film viewed by those with discrimination
3a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating a bloodhound's scent discrimination
b psychology : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

So yes, in this instance, yes it would be discrimination on the basis of population since the scenario fits like a fine glove with 1b.

[Telconi]

No it is not discrimination. The location in the small town of a few hundred likely isn’t going to generate enough profit

I mean, that's basically the reasoning banks used for redlining - they couldn't make a profit in those neighborhoods.

I think his dictionary defines "Discrimination" as "business practices which trigger San Lumen"

[Swindenland]

I don't believe a right to discriminate is good, because it takes the liberty (in form of consumer rights) away from other people. If you want to have an egalitarian society then this approach will not work. I wouldn't call it a right, but rather a permission to do bad deeds. Imagine all the sadness that would arise from it. The minorities would definitely get screwed, but even regular people who have different opinions or preferences might be completely ostracised from society. Imagine someone criticising a locally-beloved sportsman and then not being served in any shop because of that.

A right to discriminate sounds like the theme of an episode of Black Mirror, only without tech.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

I don't believe a right to discriminate is good, because it takes the liberty (in form of consumer rights) away from other people. If you want to have an egalitarian society then this approach will not work. I wouldn't call it a right, but rather a permission to do bad deeds. Imagine all the sadness that would arise from it. The minorities would definitely get screwed, but even regular people who have different opinions or preferences might be completely ostracised from society. Imagine someone criticising a locally-beloved sportsman and then not being served in any shop because of that.

A right to discriminate sounds like the theme of an episode of Black Mirror, only without tech.

You can be discriminated against for criticizing a sports star

[Telconi]

I don't believe a right to discriminate is good, because it takes the liberty (in form of consumer rights) away from other people. If you want to have an egalitarian society then this approach will not work. I wouldn't call it a right, but rather a permission to do bad deeds. Imagine all the sadness that would arise from it. The minorities would definitely get screwed, but even regular people who have different opinions or preferences might be completely ostracised from society. Imagine someone criticising a locally-beloved sportsman and then not being served in any shop because of that.

A right to discriminate sounds like the theme of an episode of Black Mirror, only without tech.

We already give people rights to do "bad deeds".

[Holy Tedalonia]

I'm still curious about this.

I still want to know why some public businesses should get the right to discriminate based on protected characteristics, but others shouldn't, from San Lumen's point of view.

But why should black people not have the service of prostitutes? They're open for business to the public.

It's never going to happen Gallo... San Lumen is blinded by his ideology...

This Thread in a Nutshell -

Forum User 1: When you first saw Civil Rights Act, were you blinded by its majesty?

San Lumen: Blinded?

Forum User 1: Paralyzed? Dumbstruck?

San Lumen: I- I suppose so...

Forum User 1: Yet Gallo was able to evade your arguments, land on the sacred Civil Rights Act and desecrate it with his filthy footsteps!

San Lumen: Noble Forum Users surely you understand that once the opposition attacked... [he is interrupted by resounding jeers from the members of the thread]

Forum User 1: There will be order in this thread! [the thread quiets]

Forum User 2: You were right to focus your attention on the opposition. But this Demon, this "Gallo"...

San Lumen: By the time I learned of Gallo's intent, there was nothing I could do. [flashback to the arguement, which destroyed Civil Rights Act]

[The thread continues to clamor, some calling San Lumen a traitor. Soviet Computercracy, the Chieftain of the communists, looks satisfied with the popular mood.]

Forum User 2: [aside, to Forum User 1] Noble Forum User 1, this has gone on long enough. Make an example of this bungler! The thread demands it!

Forum User 1: You are one of our most treasured instruments. Long have you led your fleet with honor and distinction. But your inability to safeguard Civil Rights Act was a colossal failure.

Forum User 3: Nay! It was heresy!

San Lumen: I will continue my campaign against the opposition!

Forum User 1: No! You will not. [gestures to Soviet Computercracy, who signals his communists to take San Lumen into custody] Soon the Great Debate shall begin, but when it does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet, and you shall be left behind.

[San Lumen]

No it is not discrimination. The location in the small town of a few hundred likely isn’t going to generate enough profit

I mean, that's basically the reasoning banks used for redlining - they couldn't make a profit in those neighborhoods.

Technically but the real reason was racism it wasn’t about profit.

[Galloism]

I mean, that's basically the reasoning banks used for redlining - they couldn't make a profit in those neighborhoods.

Technically but the real reason was racism it wasn’t about profit.

I thought that was decided on disproportionate impact grounds, not racism grounds.

[San Lumen]

Technically but the real reason was racism it wasn’t about profit.

I thought that was decided on disproportionate impact grounds, not racism grounds.

I don’t know a whole lot about it to be honest

[San Lumen]

I mean, that's basically the reasoning banks used for redlining - they couldn't make a profit in those neighborhoods.

I think his dictionary defines "Discrimination" as "business practices which trigger San Lumen"

You still have not explained how my example is discrimination . If it is why has no one filled suit claiming as such?

[Galloism]

I thought that was decided on disproportionate impact grounds, not racism grounds.

I don’t know a whole lot about it to be honest

Well one of the redlining events was banks purposely not opening banks in nonwhite areas, and as part of the settlement were required to open banks in poorer (generally nonwhite) areas.

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development announced a $200 million settlement with Associated Bank over redlining in Chicago and Milwaukee in May 2015. The three-year HUD observation led to the complaint that the bank purposely rejected mortgage applications from black and Latino applicants.[29] The final settlement required AB to open branches in non-white neighborhoods, just like HSBC.[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

Something you said we couldn't do:

Probably not, just like they can't really force you to serve black people.

But if you really are against discrimination, we should be able to sue them over and over and over until they perform or go out of business.

Same method the civil rights act used.

There is a fine line between whites only and not building in certain location.

It is simply not practical or economically feasible for a company like Subway, Applebees, IHOP or to have a location in every single municipality. If your little town in Missouri doesnt have one oh well. The government should not be telling business where to build. Zoning is a local issue and should remain that way.

[San Lumen]

I don’t know a whole lot about it to be honest

Well one of the redlining events was banks purposely not opening banks in nonwhite areas, and as part of the settlement were required to open banks in poorer (generally nonwhite) areas.

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development announced a $200 million settlement with Associated Bank over redlining in Chicago and Milwaukee in May 2015. The three-year HUD observation led to the complaint that the bank purposely rejected mortgage applications from black and Latino applicants.[29] The final settlement required AB to open branches in non-white neighborhoods, just like HSBC.[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

Something you said we couldn't do:

There is a fine line between whites only and not building in certain location.

It is simply not practical or economically feasible for a company like Subway, Applebees, IHOP or to have a location in every single municipality. If your little town in Missouri doesnt have one oh well. The government should not be telling business where to build. Zoning is a local issue and should remain that way.

I would say that a bank is a bit different from other types of business.

On this topic of population and business let me give you a better example from personal experience. The small town my relatives in Upstate New York reside in does not have much in terms of business.

There is no bank, no supermarket, and no shops other than a small convenience store. Want to go out to eat? There is one diner in town. There is no fast food either.

The town to the north has a few restaurants, a bank, a single speciality clothing store and small food market but its not very good.

If you want any real options in terms of business or restaurants you have to drive to either the city of Cortland or Ithaca both about 25 mins away.

Is it discriminatory their town has such few options in terms of business? If so how? Is there some sort of mass plot by business to not open locations in small towns such as there's?

If it is in fact discrimination why hasn't anyone filed to suit to force those places with locations in Cortland and Ithaca to open locations in their town?

[Ors Might]

Well one of the redlining events was banks purposely not opening banks in nonwhite areas, and as part of the settlement were required to open banks in poorer (generally nonwhite) areas.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

Something you said we couldn't do:

I would say that a bank is a bit different from other types of business.

On this topic of population and business let me give you a better example from personal experience. The small town my relatives in Upstate New York reside in does not have much in terms of business.

There is no bank, no supermarket, and no shops other than a small convenience store. Want to go out to eat? There is one diner in town. There is no fast food either.

The town to the north has a few restaurants, a single speciality clothing store and small food market but its not very good.

If you want any real options in terms of business or restaurants you have to drive to either the city of Cortland or Ithaca both about 25 mins away.

Is it discriminatory their town has such few options in terms of business? If so how? Is there some sort of mass plot by business to not open locations in small towns such as there's?

If it is in fact discrimination why hasn't anyone filed to suit to force those places with locations in Cortland and Ithaca to open locations in their town?

I’m not seeing how “actual discrimination” would be worse than this. In both cases, they’d have to drive longer distances to get what they need. Why is it bad in one case but not the other?

[San Lumen]

I would say that a bank is a bit different from other types of business.

On this topic of population and business let me give you a better example from personal experience. The small town my relatives in Upstate New York reside in does not have much in terms of business.

There is no bank, no supermarket, and no shops other than a small convenience store. Want to go out to eat? There is one diner in town. There is no fast food either.

The town to the north has a few restaurants, a single speciality clothing store and small food market but its not very good.

If you want any real options in terms of business or restaurants you have to drive to either the city of Cortland or Ithaca both about 25 mins away.

Is it discriminatory their town has such few options in terms of business? If so how? Is there some sort of mass plot by business to not open locations in small towns such as there's?

If it is in fact discrimination why hasn't anyone filed to suit to force those places with locations in Cortland and Ithaca to open locations in their town?

I’m not seeing how “actual discrimination” would be worse than this. In both cases, they’d have to drive longer distances to get what they need. Why is it bad in one case but not the other?

As a I explained their town is so small a Denny's or California Pizza Kitchen for example would not make much money there. Its sad their town doesnt have many options but a business has to make a profit in order to continue to open its doors.

What is is your solution?

[Greater Loegria]

I’m not seeing how “actual discrimination” would be worse than this. In both cases, they’d have to drive longer distances to get what they need. Why is it bad in one case but not the other?

As a I explained their town is so small a Denny's or California Pizza Kitchen for example would not make much money there. Its sad their town doesnt have many options but a business has to make a profit in order to continue to open its doors.

What is is your solution?

There doesn't need to be a solution. You can't go around cementing over every crack.

[San Lumen]

As a I explained their town is so small a Denny's or California Pizza Kitchen for example would not make much money there. Its sad their town doesnt have many options but a business has to make a profit in order to continue to open its doors.

What is is your solution?

There doesn't need to be a solution. You can't go around cementing over every crack.

And I didnt say there needed to be because I dont know what the solution is

[Greater Loegria]

There doesn't need to be a solution. You can't go around cementing over every crack.

And I didnt say there needed to be because I dont know what the solution is

then leave it. Shrug and walk away.

[San Lumen]

And I didnt say there needed to be because I dont know what the solution is

then leave it. Shrug and walk away.

Ors is the one claiming its discrimination

[Telconi]

I think his dictionary defines "Discrimination" as "business practices which trigger San Lumen"

You still have not explained how my example is discrimination . If it is why has no one filled suit claiming as such?

I have. As have others. As to why nobody has sued, likely because it's not discrimination covered by the horrible laws you champion.