Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Free Arabian Nation]

You just accidentally proved my point, don't give money to racists and they will either starve or surrender.

It would not have changed much in many other business across the South. The bust company was different

OK then, still doesn't mean the Gov should force their hand and say you have to serve people you don't like.

[Athonuna]

You just accidentally proved my point, don't give money to racists and they will either starve or surrender.

It would not have changed much in many other business across the South. The bus company was different

No, it would've. If people are buying from you because you won't let them or they just don't want to, you'll go out of business. I may not know much about economics, but I know that.

[Telconi]

But it's the same thing: If I don't like you, I don't have to have a relationship with you, nor do I have to serve you. You are not entitled to my relationship OR my services.

Open a private club then

That's a lot of extra time and effort to accomplish.

[San Lumen]

It would not have changed much in many other business across the South. The bust company was different

OK then, still doesn't mean the Gov should force their hand and say you have to serve people you don't like.

Once again your effectively saying African Americans in the South should have just accepted they were unequal and not fought for equal rights including the Voting Rights Act.

[Cameroi]

only against bigots and narcissists

[San Lumen]

It would not have changed much in many other business across the South. The bus company was different

No, it would've. If people are buying from you because you won't let them or they just don't want to, you'll go out of business. I may not know much about economics, but I know that.

Many business in the South managed to survive being bigoted.

Open a private club then

That's a lot of extra time and effort to accomplish.

too bad.

[Free Arabian Nation]

OK then, still doesn't mean the Gov should force their hand and say you have to serve people you don't like.

Once again your effectively saying African Americans in the South should have just accepted they were unequal and not fought for equal rights including the Voting Rights Act.

The Voting Rights Act is to make sure the GOVERNMENT, a public entity owned collectively by the people, shouldn't be allowed to discriminate which I agree with.

A business is a private entity owned by individuals with just as much as a right as you do to not allow people within their private entity.

[Telconi]

No, it would've. If people are buying from you because you won't let them or they just don't want to, you'll go out of business. I may not know much about economics, but I know that.

Many business in the South managed to survive being bigoted.

That's a lot of extra time and effort to accomplish.

too bad.

So why should you get to "too bad" my rights?

[Athonuna]

only against bigots and narcissists

So people you don't like. Got it.

[San Lumen]

Once again your effectively saying African Americans in the South should have just accepted they were unequal and not fought for equal rights including the Voting Rights Act.

The Voting Rights Act is to make sure the GOVERNMENT, a public entity owned collectively by the people, shouldn't be allowed to discriminate which I agree with.

A business is a private entity owned by individuals with just as much as a right as you do to not allow people within their private entity.

If someone is disruptive or abusive yes they do have that right.

[Telconi]

OK then, still doesn't mean the Gov should force their hand and say you have to serve people you don't like.

Once again your effectively saying African Americans in the South should have just accepted they were unequal and not fought for equal rights including the Voting Rights Act.

Polls aren't private businesses.

[Free Arabian Nation]

The Voting Rights Act is to make sure the GOVERNMENT, a public entity owned collectively by the people, shouldn't be allowed to discriminate which I agree with.

A business is a private entity owned by individuals with just as much as a right as you do to not allow people within their private entity.

If someone is disruptive or abusive yes they do have that right.

Of course they do, but they don't have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, just like I should be able to kick anyone out of my house for any reason.

[Telconi]

The Voting Rights Act is to make sure the GOVERNMENT, a public entity owned collectively by the people, shouldn't be allowed to discriminate which I agree with.

A business is a private entity owned by individuals with just as much as a right as you do to not allow people within their private entity.

If someone is disruptive or abusive yes they do have that right.

Define "abusive" please.

[Apartheid-Rhodesian Africa]

Hard question...

[San Lumen]

If someone is disruptive or abusive yes they do have that right.

Of course they do, but they don't have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, just like I should be able to kick anyone out of my house for any reason.

For the umpteenth time your house and a mall are two different things.

If someone is disruptive or abusive yes they do have that right.

Define "abusive" please.

Someone comes into a store and when the employee approaches them demands to be served by a white person over a black person and hurls racial insults. The store has every right to ask them to leave.

[Galloism]

If you don't want to shine someone's shoes, you shouldn't be compelled to.

Let us take it further: if prostitution were legal, should prostitutes be allowed to refuse service?

why not?

I dont know. Considering that prostitution is a sexual act I dont think the government could or should compel someone to have intimate relations with someone they dont want too.

But why should black people not have the service of prostitutes? They're open for business to the public.

[Telconi]

Of course they do, but they don't have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, just like I should be able to kick anyone out of my house for any reason.

For the umpteenth time your house and a mall are two different things.

Define "abusive" please.

Someone comes into a store and when the employee approaches them demands to be served by a white person over a black person and hurls racial insults. The store has every right to ask them to leave.

That's an oddly specific definition, what if I demand to be served by a Chinese person, not a black person?

[San Lumen]

For the umpteenth time your house and a mall are two different things.

Someone comes into a store and when the employee approaches them demands to be served by a white person over a black person and hurls racial insults. The store has every right to ask them to leave.

That's an oddly specific definition, what if I demand to be served by a Chinese person, not a black person?

I gave you a scenario. It wasn't a definition. You should be able to infer from that what the definition is.

[Ors Might]

Irrelevant. A minority that can’t find service in a small town is in the exact same position as someone else that can’t find service in a small town insofar as how much it impacts them.

Your response to the latter is that they should move. Apparently inconveniences only matter if discrimination is the cause.

You really think its plausible or practical for every chain restaurant or store to have a location in every municipality in the country?

Not having a service is not the same as being refused service.

I don’t think it’s plausible but I don’t care either way. Because my position is that no one has a right to be served. You have consistently argued the opposite.

[Telconi]

That's an oddly specific definition, what if I demand to be served by a Chinese person, not a black person?

I gave you a scenario. It wasn't a definition. You should be able to infer from that what the definition is.

No, I really shouldn't. Unless your definition is that specific scenario exactly, and no others.

[San Lumen]

I gave you a scenario. It wasn't a definition. You should be able to infer from that what the definition is.

No, I really shouldn't. Unless your definition is that specific scenario exactly, and no others.

Of course its not that specific scenario only

[Telconi]

No, I really shouldn't. Unless your definition is that specific scenario exactly, and no others.

Of course its not that specific scenario only

Then how am I supposed to infer a definition from one example? Perhaps you expect me to develop clairvoyance? Or, alternatively, you could just provide a definition, and avoid this fool game.

[Greater Loegria]

No, I really shouldn't. Unless your definition is that specific scenario exactly, and no others.

Of course its not that specific scenario only

Why do you keep offering all these odd scenarios? You can't cement over every bloody crack. Sometimes you just have to shrug, say 'eh' and walk on. The world is unfair and some humans can be cretins. Sicut erat in principio et nunc et semper.

[San Lumen]

Of course its not that specific scenario only

Then how am I supposed to infer a definition from one example? Perhaps you expect me to develop clairvoyance? Or, alternatively, you could just provide a definition, and avoid this fool game.

Someone who is rude and abusive towards staff or other customers by impeding their shopping experience. Good enough?

[San Lumen]

Of course its not that specific scenario only

Why do you keep offering all these odd scenarios? You can't cement over every bloody crack. Sometimes you just have to shrug, say 'eh' and walk on. The world is unfair and some humans can be cretins. Sicut erat in principio et nunc et semper.

Thats an odd scenario? It happens more often than you think