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by Ors Might » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:17 am

by The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:18 am
San Lumen wrote:The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:If you don't want to shine someone's shoes, you shouldn't be compelled to.
Let us take it further: if prostitution were legal, should prostitutes be allowed to refuse service?
why not?
I dont know. Considering that prostitution is a sexual act I dont think the government could or should compel someone to have intimate relations with someone they dont want too.

by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:21 am

by Ors Might » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:22 am

by Telconi » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:24 am
San Lumen wrote:The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:If you don't want to shine someone's shoes, you shouldn't be compelled to.
Let us take it further: if prostitution were legal, should prostitutes be allowed to refuse service?
why not?
I dont know. Considering that prostitution is a sexual act I dont think the government could or should compel someone to have intimate relations with someone they dont want too.

by San Lumen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:25 am
Free Arabian Nation wrote:San Lumen wrote:No not really. a business has a right to chose where they want to be. Open for business means open to all not just some.
And why not? Because it hurts your feelings?
Forcing businesses to waste their money and time on customers they don't want is wrong, whether it be forcing them to build somewhere or forcing them to serve someone.

by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:27 am
San Lumen wrote:Free Arabian Nation wrote:And why not? Because it hurts your feelings?
Forcing businesses to waste their money and time on customers they don't want is wrong, whether it be forcing them to build somewhere or forcing them to serve someone.
Because no one should be less of a person because of their race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation or gender. someone who is LGBT in New York should not have less rights in Florida.

by San Lumen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:28 am
Ors Might wrote:San Lumen wrote:No not really. a business has a right to chose where they want to be. Open for business means open to all not just some.
Irrelevant. A minority that can’t find service in a small town is in the exact same position as someone else that can’t find service in a small town insofar as how much it impacts them.
Your response to the latter is that they should move. Apparently inconveniences only matter if discrimination is the cause.

by Telconi » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:29 am
San Lumen wrote:Free Arabian Nation wrote:And why not? Because it hurts your feelings?
Forcing businesses to waste their money and time on customers they don't want is wrong, whether it be forcing them to build somewhere or forcing them to serve someone.
Because no one should be less of a person because of their race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation or gender. someone who is LGBT in New York should not have less rights in Florida.

by San Lumen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:30 am
Free Arabian Nation wrote:San Lumen wrote:
Because no one should be less of a person because of their race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation or gender. someone who is LGBT in New York should not have less rights in Florida.
Nobody is taking away their rights. You never had a right to eat at McDonald's.
They are not a right in the same way life and liberty are, you are not entitled to a meal at McDonald's, you are not entitled to a bus ride, you are not entitled to a wedding cake, and you're not entitled to a hotel room.

by Telconi » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:31 am

by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:32 am
San Lumen wrote:Free Arabian Nation wrote:Nobody is taking away their rights. You never had a right to eat at McDonald's.
They are not a right in the same way life and liberty are, you are not entitled to a meal at McDonald's, you are not entitled to a bus ride, you are not entitled to a wedding cake, and you're not entitled to a hotel room.
African Americans in the South should have just accepted they would never be equal and just moved North?. MLK should have just shut up and moved like the rest of them?

by Telconi » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:32 am
San Lumen wrote:Free Arabian Nation wrote:Nobody is taking away their rights. You never had a right to eat at McDonald's.
They are not a right in the same way life and liberty are, you are not entitled to a meal at McDonald's, you are not entitled to a bus ride, you are not entitled to a wedding cake, and you're not entitled to a hotel room.
African Americans in the South should have just accepted they would never be equal and just moved North?. MLK should have just shut up and moved like the rest of them?

by San Lumen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:34 am
Free Arabian Nation wrote:San Lumen wrote:
African Americans in the South should have just accepted they would never be equal and just moved North?. MLK should have just shut up and moved like the rest of them?
I mean, he shouldn't have shut up, but he shouldn't have forced the Government's hand in business.
Instead, he should have boycotted these businesses until it becomes their policy to serve all. It's called economics.

by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:35 am
San Lumen wrote:That was never going to happen in Alabama or Mississippi.

by Telconi » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:36 am
San Lumen wrote:Telconi wrote:
Well you said no one should be less of a person, and this is evidently a result of someone not associating with them?
who you have relationships with is not the same thing as a business transaction.Free Arabian Nation wrote:I mean, he shouldn't have shut up, but he shouldn't have forced the Government's hand in business.
Instead, he should have boycotted these businesses until it becomes their policy to serve all. It's called economics.
That was never going to happen in Alabama or Mississippi.Telconi wrote:
Daily reminder, this is your position towards others.
No it isnt
San Lumen wrote:Go move to Mogadishu then.

by Athonuna » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:39 am
San Lumen wrote:The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:If you don't want to shine someone's shoes, you shouldn't be compelled to.
Let us take it further: if prostitution were legal, should prostitutes be allowed to refuse service?
why not?
I dont know. Considering that prostitution is a sexual act I dont think the government could or should compel someone to have intimate relations with someone they dont want too.

by San Lumen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:39 am

by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:41 am

by Telconi » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:41 am
San Lumen wrote:Free Arabian Nation wrote:So be it, don't give money to racists and let them starve.
And nothing would have changed in many business in those places. The bus boycott in Montgomery forced change because the overwhelming majority of riders were black. A court also ruled segregated buses were unconstitutional

by San Lumen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:41 am
Free Arabian Nation wrote:San Lumen wrote:
And nothing would have changed in many business in those places. The bus boycott in Montgomery forced change because the overwhelming majority of riders were black.
You just accidentally proved my point, don't give money to racists and they will either starve or surrender.

by Athonuna » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:42 am

by San Lumen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:42 am
Athonuna wrote:But it's the same thing: If I don't like you, I don't have to have a relationship with you, nor do I have to serve you. You are not entitled to my relationship OR my services.
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