Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Telconi]

The goods are produced by the proletariat, we are able to mandate what is done with them.

They're not. They're produced by people. Individuals. Not a class.

The proletariat ultimately decide that.

The Captialists are the ruling class, but the Proletariat make the decisions? Weird system.

That's just your brain on collectivism.

[Soviet Technocracy6]

The proletariat ultimately decide that.

This law was not made by the Proles, it was made by congressmen trying to manipulate the vote to their favor.

You don’t say.

[Soviet Technocracy6]

That's just your brain on collectivism.

The bourgeoisie have the power we allow them to have.

[Estanglia]

That's just your brain on collectivism.

The bourgeoisie have the power we allow them to have.

I can't tell if you're joking.

[Soviet Technocracy6]

I can't tell if you're joking.

We vastly outnumber them. They depend on the disempowered apparatus and popular support.

[Telconi]

I can't tell if you're joking.

We vastly outnumber them. They depend on the disempowered apparatus and popular support.

Yeah, but the numbers of the proletariat are meaningless.

[Estanglia]

I can't tell if you're joking.

We vastly outnumber them. They depend on the disempowered apparatus and popular support.

There may be a reason for that. Maybe, just maybe, collectivism doesn't reflect reality. Hear me out, maybe people aren't part of some nebulous hive mind on the basis of how much they earn. Maybe the only distinction should be what they think, and some 'Proletariats' agree with the 'capitalists' (totally arbitrary distinctions btw).

[Psukhe]

I can't tell if you're joking.

We vastly outnumber them. They depend on the disempowered apparatus and popular support.

Sounds like you're just spouting Communist maxims for the hell of it, rather than actually supporting your argument as to why we should disallow people from acting out according to their conscience.

[Soviet Technocracy6]

Maybe the only distinction should be what they think, and some 'Proletariats' agree with the 'capitalists' (totally arbitrary distinctions btw).

What you think has no effect on reality.

[Soviet Technocracy6]

We vastly outnumber them. They depend on the disempowered apparatus and popular support.

Sounds like you're just spouting Communist maxims for the hell of it, rather than actually supporting your argument as to why we should disallow people from acting out according to their conscience.

They would commit crimes.

[Estanglia]

Maybe the only distinction should be what they think, and some 'Proletariats' agree with the 'capitalists' (totally arbitrary distinctions btw).

What you think has no effect on reality.

Same to you.

[Soviet Technocracy6]

What you think has no effect on reality.

Same to you.

I’m a materialist, I know that.

[San Lumen]

I as a gay man should simply accept in parts of my country that Im unequal under the law?

How the fuck would you be unequal under the law if there are no anti-discrimination laws? Straight people can also be discriminated against. It sounds like you're just exaggerating.

In all reasonableness, I don’t see how San Lumen is being discriminatory.

He's refusing to serve racists.

Because they have death threats against the other races.

Still discrimination.

No, the official is petty bourgeoisie claiming the right to discriminate among proletariat.

I don't think you actually understand what those words mean.

I don’t mean wrong in a moral sense, I mean it goes against the interest of the proletariat.

Which is subjectively wrong.

And the working class Christians would like to have a word with you.

I didnt realize this was so hard to understand. You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

[Ors Might]

How the fuck would you be unequal under the law if there are no anti-discrimination laws? Straight people can also be discriminated against. It sounds like you're just exaggerating.


He's refusing to serve racists.


Still discrimination.


I don't think you actually understand what those words mean.


Which is subjectively wrong.

And the working class Christians would like to have a word with you.

I didnt realize this was so hard to understand. You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

None of that has anything to do with equality under the law. It’s all speculation on what private actors would do.

[Psukhe]

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

And yet I maintain that we're talking about a hypothetical state, and not an existing one. How about you don't tell people how to run a business?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Maybe the only distinction should be what they think, and some 'Proletariats' agree with the 'capitalists' (totally arbitrary distinctions btw).

What you think has no effect on reality.

Yes it does, because what we think is what we ultimately decide to implement into reality. Stop spouting authoritarian nonsense.

How the fuck would you be unequal under the law if there are no anti-discrimination laws? Straight people can also be discriminated against. It sounds like you're just exaggerating.


He's refusing to serve racists.


Still discrimination.


I don't think you actually understand what those words mean.


Which is subjectively wrong.

And the working class Christians would like to have a word with you.

I didnt realize this was so hard to understand. You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

Now your assuming things. Talk about preaching stereotypes.

Sounds like you're just spouting Communist maxims for the hell of it, rather than actually supporting your argument as to why we should disallow people from acting out according to their conscience.

They would commit crimes.

Doesn't mean their doing things wrong.

I can't tell if you're joking.

We vastly outnumber them. They depend on the disempowered apparatus and popular support.

Good thing not enough people share your opinion

And purchased by a private body for them to do as they see fit. You don't want them doing that? Don't provide them with those goods.

You're implying a specific economic framework whence you dictate these terms of yours, yet no one else does.

We have non discrimination laws.

It does say in public though, which could be interpreted as government work places. Sometimes on occasion it extends to private business.

[Kinnies]

Yakubians never sleep huh

[Telconi]

How the fuck would you be unequal under the law if there are no anti-discrimination laws? Straight people can also be discriminated against. It sounds like you're just exaggerating.


He's refusing to serve racists.


Still discrimination.


I don't think you actually understand what those words mean.


Which is subjectively wrong.

And the working class Christians would like to have a word with you.

I didnt realize this was so hard to understand. You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

Of course, people like you are never bigots. Only the mean old others.

[San Lumen]

I didnt realize this was so hard to understand. You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

None of that has anything to do with equality under the law. It’s all speculation on what private actors would do.

Yes lets return to the days in Alabama where entire town wouldn't serve non whites. With the way things are the US currently id rather not find out.

I didnt realize this was so hard to understand. You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

Of course, people like you are never bigots. Only the mean old others.

In what way am I a bigot

[Ors Might]

None of that has anything to do with equality under the law. It’s all speculation on what private actors would do.

Yes lets return to the days in Alabama where entire town wouldn't serve non whites. With the way things are the US currently id rather not find out.

Of course, people like you are never bigots. Only the mean old others.

In what way am I a bigot

That still has nothing to do with equality under the law. You do realize the CRA has nothing to do with that, right? The thing you’re looking for is amendment 14.

[Estanglia]

Same to you.

I’m a materialist, I know that.

Then why are the things you believe are happening not reflected in reality?

How the fuck would you be unequal under the law if there are no anti-discrimination laws? Straight people can also be discriminated against. It sounds like you're just exaggerating.


He's refusing to serve racists.


Still discrimination.


I don't think you actually understand what those words mean.


Which is subjectively wrong.

And the working class Christians would like to have a word with you.

I didnt realize this was so hard to understand. You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

I don't think you know what 'equality under the law' means if this is your response to that question.

[Estanglia]

None of that has anything to do with equality under the law. It’s all speculation on what private actors would do.

Yes lets return to the days in Alabama where entire town wouldn't serve non whites. With the way things are the US currently id rather not find out.

How did you get that from Ors' post?

[Galloism]

You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Actually this isn't true, incidentally - men are often systematically discriminated against in housing. It's illegal, but advertisements for apartments or subleases for women only are not actually uncommon at all.

This is another area where lawsuit trolls need to help society to get better.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

Underlining, bolding, italics, all mine - are you sure?

[San Lumen]

You as a likely straight white male would not have to question if you can buy a home or rent an apartment anywhere you want. You dont have to question if your going to be served at a restaurant, hotel or on bus. There is not and never has been systematic discrimination against your group.

Actually this isn't true, incidentally - men are often systematically discriminated against in housing. It's illegal, but advertisements for apartments or subleases for women only are not actually uncommon at all.

This is another area where lawsuit trolls need to help society to get better.

Anti Discrimination laws and the Civil Rights Act ensure that everyone is treated equally. if you dont want to serve all then dont open a business

Underlining, bolding, italics, all mine - are you sure?

There are the obvious exceptions that we have been over many times

[Ors Might]

Actually this isn't true, incidentally - men are often systematically discriminated against in housing. It's illegal, but advertisements for apartments or subleases for women only are not actually uncommon at all.

This is another area where lawsuit trolls need to help society to get better.



Underlining, bolding, italics, all mine - are you sure?

There are the obvious exceptions that we have been over many times

Like men being denied housing?