Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Psukhe]

Because that is their conscience and they do not actually harm anyone by refusing to provide services to those they see as unfit.

It is ethically distasteful, yes, but not actively harmful. Were they to go out of their ways to harm those they deem unfit, then we'd have a wholly different discussion.

Discrimination harms no one? African Americans should have just said oh well in regards to Jim Crow. Rosa Parks was wrong to not give up her seat?

I was referring to the right of business owners to deny business (which is run by said business owners as they see fit), not to public servants denying service based on illegitimate reasons. Your examples belong to the latter class.

[San Lumen]

Discrimination harms no one? African Americans should have just said oh well in regards to Jim Crow. Rosa Parks was wrong to not give up her seat?

I was referring to the right of business owners to deny business (which is run by said business owners as they see fit), not to public servants denying service based on illegitimate reasons. Your examples belong to the latter class.

If Greyhound wanted to bring back segregated buses they should be allowed too?

[Telconi]

I was referring to the right of business owners to deny business (which is run by said business owners as they see fit), not to public servants denying service based on illegitimate reasons. Your examples belong to the latter class.

If Greyhound wanted to bring back segregated buses they should be allowed too?

Yes.

[Psukhe]

I was referring to the right of business owners to deny business (which is run by said business owners as they see fit), not to public servants denying service based on illegitimate reasons. Your examples belong to the latter class.

If Greyhound wanted to bring back segregated buses they should be allowed too?

Yes. They are a private body and they should have the right to do that. This would work best in (as I've mentioned before) a highly intelligent society, where in case of outliers such as Greyhound, said private body would be ostracised, but not punished under any state apparatus.

[Bear Stearns]

Because I dislike oppressive laws.

In what way is it oppressive to say you must serve all with the obvious exceptions?

Your standard for what an exception should be is incredibly arbitrary.

[San Lumen]

If Greyhound wanted to bring back segregated buses they should be allowed too?

Yes. They are a private body and they should have the right to do that. This would work best in (as I've mentioned before) a highly intelligent society, where in case of outliers such as Greyhound, said private body would be ostracised, but not punished under any state apparatus.

And what if in a small town in Alabama no business wanted to serve non whites. You could effectively force them out of town? Thats no a problem to you because muh rights?

[Telconi]

Yes. They are a private body and they should have the right to do that. This would work best in (as I've mentioned before) a highly intelligent society, where in case of outliers such as Greyhound, said private body would be ostracised, but not punished under any state apparatus.

And what if in a small town in Alabama no business wanted to serve non whites. You could effectively force them out of town? Thats no a problem to you because muh rights?

Rights are important to some people.

[Holy Tedalonia]

So if a black charity organization came to googles or Microsoft’s door, its ok if their refused?

No as race is a protected class

I never knew you could call a organization a race.

[San Lumen]

And what if in a small town in Alabama no business wanted to serve non whites. You could effectively force them out of town? Thats no a problem to you because muh rights?

Rights are important to some people.

And they are too me as well

[Psukhe]

Yes. They are a private body and they should have the right to do that. This would work best in (as I've mentioned before) a highly intelligent society, where in case of outliers such as Greyhound, said private body would be ostracised, but not punished under any state apparatus.

And what if in a small town in Alabama no business wanted to serve non whites. You could effectively force them out of town? Thats no a problem to you because muh rights?

Then I would consider the fact that if no business in that small town wanted to serve non-whites in the first place, then perhaps there's ground to respect the desire of that town to be a segregated community.

[San Lumen]

And what if in a small town in Alabama no business wanted to serve non whites. You could effectively force them out of town? Thats no a problem to you because muh rights?

Then I would consider the fact that if no business in that small town wanted to serve non-whites in the first place, then perhaps there's ground to respect the desire of that town to be a segregated community.

Therefore the fair housing act should be repealed too. The Levitt brothers who founded suburbia as we know it in America and had a policy in Levittown of "No one not of the caucasian race shall ever own a home in this community." is perfectly acceptable?

Should we allow redlining to return as well?

[Telconi]

Rights are important to some people.

And they are too me as well

Must have missed that.

[Psukhe]

Then I would consider the fact that if no business in that small town wanted to serve non-whites in the first place, then perhaps there's ground to respect the desire of that town to be a segregated community.

Therefore the fair housing act should be repealed too. The Levitt brothers who founded suburbia as we know it in America and had a policy in Levittown of "No one not of the caucasian race shall ever own a home in this community." is perfectly acceptable?

Should we allow redlining to return as well?

Yes. We should let those who desire segregation to be closed off within their own communities.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Then I would consider the fact that if no business in that small town wanted to serve non-whites in the first place, then perhaps there's ground to respect the desire of that town to be a segregated community.

Therefore the fair housing act should be repealed too. The Levitt brothers who founded suburbia as we know it in America and had a policy in Levittown of "No one not of the caucasian race shall ever own a home in this community." is perfectly acceptable?

Should we allow redlining to return as well?

You give the Levitt brothers way to much credit. Suburbans aren’t racist.

[San Lumen]

Therefore the fair housing act should be repealed too. The Levitt brothers who founded suburbia as we know it in America and had a policy in Levittown of "No one not of the caucasian race shall ever own a home in this community." is perfectly acceptable?

Should we allow redlining to return as well?

Yes. We should let those who desire segregation to be closed off within their own communities.

Lets say a suburban or rural town decides to pass a law only whites may reside here that law should be upheld by a court? On what grounds?

[Psukhe]

Yes. We should let those who desire segregation to be closed off within their own communities.

Lets say a suburban or rural town decides to pass a law only whites may reside here they that law should be upheld by a court? On what grounds?

On the grounds that the hypothetical law (in this case) states that it is lawful to do so, or more aptly, not unlawful to do so? I'm not sure whether I quite follow the relevance of your question.

[San Lumen]

Lets say a suburban or rural town decides to pass a law only whites may reside here they that law should be upheld by a court? On what grounds?

On the grounds that the hypothetical law (in this case) states that it is lawful to do so, or more aptly, not unlawful to do so? I'm not sure whether I quite follow the relevance of your question.

if you had no anti discrimination laws or the civil rights act the town could do so.

[Estanglia]

How exactly do you define discrimination, out of curiosity?

My definition of discrimination is any way to separate or insult a minority ethnicity if you think or actually do have some sort of power against them, such as white nationalist directing racial slurs at African- Americans, or the KKK making a demonstration outside an African-American majority community.

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting your post, but would a black guy using racial slurs against a white guy be racist to you?

If people don't want a certain groups of others in their store, don't open it in the first place.

Why is there this assumption that an open store must serve everyone?

As diverse as the world is becoming, how can you expect only your "desired" group of people to come in?

By banning people of other races?

Stores are supposed to be open to everyone as long as the people are reasonable.

Why?

One presumes, then, that you think Microsoft's and Google's consideration of refusing Defense Department and ICE contracts is immoral and discriminatory, right?

That is their right. A corporation is not a protected class.

Your enterprise, it ought to be your choice who benefits from your services.

No if your open to the public you serve all or none at all.

Why?

A good question. Reason and rationality aren't that bad, for starters.


No, but I do believe that it should be within their rights.

Why should that be their right?

Why shouldn't it?

Yes. They are a private body and they should have the right to do that. This would work best in (as I've mentioned before) a highly intelligent society, where in case of outliers such as Greyhound, said private body would be ostracised, but not punished under any state apparatus.

And what if in a small town in Alabama no business wanted to serve non whites. You could effectively force them out of town? Thats no a problem to you because muh rights?

It may come as a shock to you, but some people like having rights.

Rights are important to some people.

And they are too me as well

Seems strange that you're fine with removing some of them.

[Telconi]

On the grounds that the hypothetical law (in this case) states that it is lawful to do so, or more aptly, not unlawful to do so? I'm not sure whether I quite follow the relevance of your question.

if you had no anti discrimination laws or the civil rights act the town could do so.

A town is a public entity, I haven't seen anyone advocate for mandated segregation of public entities.

[Psukhe]

On the grounds that the hypothetical law (in this case) states that it is lawful to do so, or more aptly, not unlawful to do so? I'm not sure whether I quite follow the relevance of your question.

if you had no anti discrimination laws or the civil rights act the town could do so.

Yes, but we're talking about a hypothetical situation where no such laws exist.

[San Lumen]

if you had no anti discrimination laws or the civil rights act the town could do so.

Yes, but we're talking about a hypothetical situation where no such laws exist.

Ok but why should a community be able to be a de facto segregated community? Why should be get rid of the fair housing act that even decades after its passing many suburban areas remain de facto segregated?

[Estanglia]

Yes, but we're talking about a hypothetical situation where no such laws exist.

Ok but why should a community be able to be a de facto segregated community? Why should be get rid of the fair housing act that even decades after its passing many suburban areas remain de facto segregated?

Why shouldn't the people of a community have a say in who becomes a member?

[Telconi]

Yes, but we're talking about a hypothetical situation where no such laws exist.

Ok but why should a community be able to be a de facto segregated community? Why should be get rid of the fair housing act that even decades after its passing many suburban areas remain de facto segregated?

Why should a community be able to do any number of things you want, that I don't? I mean, you've expressed value in democracy before.

[San Lumen]

Ok but why should a community be able to be a de facto segregated community? Why should be get rid of the fair housing act that even decades after its passing many suburban areas remain de facto segregated?

Why shouldn't the people of a community have a say in who becomes a member?

A gated community sayin only whites may live here or a realtor discriminating against non whites would be ok?

[Estanglia]

Why shouldn't the people of a community have a say in who becomes a member?

A gated community sayin only whites may live here or a realtor discriminating against non whites would be ok?

No.