Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Ors Might]

Cant ignore what doesnt exist.
It harms every single business owner now deprived of the right to free association.

Rights only exist when guaranteed by a force. The government gives rights, it can take them away.

The word you’re looking for is “privileges” not rights.

[San Lumen]

I do not know.

Whats the indecision?

[Telconi]

Cant ignore what doesnt exist.
It harms every single business owner now deprived of the right to free association.

Rights only exist when guaranteed by a force. The government gives rights, it can take them away.

I disagree, a right exists inherently, rather successfully defended or not.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Because the only real way to judge if someone is racist is through statistics, sometimes thinking a company or organization is racist.

"I am looking to hire a new employee, I got this white American that is well educated in this field and a promising, and a black american whos overall ok, but not great.

If I hire the white guy, ill likely have a better performing member, but due to a lack of corporate diversity we could have a scandal"

Hows that for a scenario?

There is no mandate for a company to have x number of people of y race.

Yes, but public perceptions is a present fear is it not? If the world thinks your racist, you could face a heap of trouble, sometimes you could even be sued

[Telconi]

Cant ignore what doesnt exist.
It harms every single business owner now deprived of the right to free association.

a right of free association does not exist for business and what is an example of a publicity funded entity?

That's your opinion, and I disagree. The National Park Service.

[Kowani]

Rights only exist when guaranteed by a force. The government gives rights, it can take them away.

The word you’re looking for is “privileges” not rights.

Rights and privileges are functionally the same thing.

Rights only exist when guaranteed by a force. The government gives rights, it can take them away.

I disagree, a right exists inherently, rather successfully defended or not.

Yes, we can ask the British how the right to bear arms exists. A right only exists if recognized and defended, otherwise it is naught more than words.

[San Lumen]

There is no mandate for a company to have x number of people of y race.

Yes, but public perceptions is a present fear is it not? If the world thinks your racist, you could face a heap of trouble, sometimes you could even be sued

yes but a court is not going to for you to hire people you dont want to as long as its not done out of bigotry.

a right of free association does not exist for business and what is an example of a publicity funded entity?

That's your opinion, and I disagree. The National Park Service.

So open a business and allege that it exists. when you sued in court make that your primary argument.

but American Airlines for example should be able to say we will only have white pilots, flight crew and terminal staff?

[Ors Might]

The word you’re looking for is “privileges” not rights.

Rights and privileges are functionally the same thing.

I disagree, a right exists inherently, rather successfully defended or not.

Yes, we can ask the British how the right to bear arms exists. A right only exists if recognized and defended, otherwise it is naught more than words.

You’re free to think that but you’re wrong.

[Telconi]

Yes, but public perceptions is a present fear is it not? If the world thinks your racist, you could face a heap of trouble, sometimes you could even be sued

yes but a court is not going to for you to hire people you dont want to as long as its not done out of bigotry.

That's your opinion, and I disagree. The National Park Service.

So open a business and allege that it exists. when you sued in court make that your primary argument.

but American Airlines for example should be able to say we will only have white pilots, flight crew and terminal staff?

Do you believe a right to marry a spouse of the same gender exists?

Yes.

[Kowani]

Rights and privileges are functionally the same thing.


Yes, we can ask the British how the right to bear arms exists. A right only exists if recognized and defended, otherwise it is naught more than words.

You’re free to think that but you’re wrong.

What a well reasoned rebuttal.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Yes, but public perceptions is a present fear is it not? If the world thinks your racist, you could face a heap of trouble, sometimes you could even be sued

yes but a court is not going to for you to hire people you dont want to as long as its not done out of bigotry.

That's your opinion, and I disagree. The National Park Service.

So open a business and allege that it exists. when you sued in court make that your primary argument.

but American Airlines for example should be able to say we will only have white pilots, flight crew and terminal staff?

Thats the thing though, how does the court know what your thinking? You can tell them the truth, but will they believe you?

[Ors Might]

You’re free to think that but you’re wrong.

What a well reasoned rebuttal.

You didn’t exactly give a well reasoned argument. “Rights” and “Priveleges” have different meanings, opposite meanings. You didn’t demonstrate how they’re the same beyond asserting that they are through an appeal to force.

[Telconi]

You’re free to think that but you’re wrong.

What a well reasoned rebuttal.

Like this one?

Oh look, outright falsehoods.

[Kowani]

What a well reasoned rebuttal.

You didn’t exactly give a well reasoned argument. “Rights” and “Priveleges” have different meanings, opposite meanings. You didn’t demonstrate how they’re the same beyond asserting that they are beyond an appeal to force.

They have different meanings, yes. I posit that those differences are without distinction. If I live in 16th Century Russia, do I have the right to Free Speech? No. In the same vein, in Feudal Europe, nobles had certain privileges that they called rights, such as tax exemptions. However today, we don’t recognize those things as rights. No right exists unless it’s recognized and accepted. However, this means that said rights are not truly rights, but rather, privileges. We call them rights because it’s convenient.

[Grinning Dragon]

The word you’re looking for is “privileges” not rights.

Rights and privileges are functionally the same thing.

I disagree, a right exists inherently, rather successfully defended or not.

Yes, we can ask the British how the right to bear arms exists. A right only exists if recognized and defended, otherwise it is naught more than words.

Privilege: refers to special powers or immunities held as a consequence of political power, social status, or wealth.
Right: the ability to decide for one’s self; to make a choice. Exercising a right is always a choice. Choosing to not exercise it is still a choice; a decision based upon thought.

[Kowani]

Rights and privileges are functionally the same thing.


Yes, we can ask the British how the right to bear arms exists. A right only exists if recognized and defended, otherwise it is naught more than words.

Privilege: refers to special powers or immunities held as a consequence of political power, social status, or wealth.
Right: the ability to decide for one’s self; to make a choice. Exercising a right is always a choice. Choosing to not exercise it is still a choice; a decision based upon thought.

You only have the “right” to decide for yourself if others allow you to.

[Grinning Dragon]

Privilege: refers to special powers or immunities held as a consequence of political power, social status, or wealth.
Right: the ability to decide for one’s self; to make a choice. Exercising a right is always a choice. Choosing to not exercise it is still a choice; a decision based upon thought.

You only have the “right” to decide for yourself if others allow you to.

Negative.

[San Lumen]

yes but a court is not going to for you to hire people you dont want to as long as its not done out of bigotry.

So open a business and allege that it exists. when you sued in court make that your primary argument.

but American Airlines for example should be able to say we will only have white pilots, flight crew and terminal staff?

Do you believe a right to marry a spouse of the same gender exists?

Yes.

Yes it’s called the 14th amendment

Why?

[Big Jim P]

Rights only exist when guaranteed by a force. The government gives rights, it can take them away.

I disagree, a right exists inherently, rather successfully defended or not.

There is only one inherent right in nature: the right to attempt to survive. All other rights derive from this or are man-made constructs.

[Big Jim P]

Privilege: refers to special powers or immunities held as a consequence of political power, social status, or wealth.
Right: the ability to decide for one’s self; to make a choice. Exercising a right is always a choice. Choosing to not exercise it is still a choice; a decision based upon thought.

You only have the “right” to decide for yourself if others allow you to.

Or if you can force others to allow you to.

[Kowani]

You only have the “right” to decide for yourself if others allow you to.

Or if you can force others to allow you to.

Well, yes, that too.

You only have the “right” to decide for yourself if others allow you to.

Negative.

Please, elaborate on this.

[Greed and Death]

Discriminate in what manner and on what basis ? On politics ? Sure in most cases. On suspected criminality (ie refusing a roof contract of a mob boss) ? Yep. Race, religion, Gender not so much.

[Telconi]

Do you believe a right to marry a spouse of the same gender exists?

Yes.

Yes it’s called the 14th amendment

Why?

That's an amendment. Not a right.
If an Iranian court sentences a gay couple to prison for being a gay couple, that's fine?

Freedom of association.

[Grinning Dragon]

Or if you can force others to allow you to.

Well, yes, that too.

Negative.

Please, elaborate on this.

If I am being allowed then that is a privilege. I determining all on my own to decide is a right, much like the negative right to free speech.

[Kowani]

Well, yes, that too.
Please, elaborate on this.

If I am being allowed then that is a privilege. I determining all on my own to decide is a right, much like the negative right to free speech.

But you are only allowed by the implicit consent of the rest of society. Much like Free Speech is only existent if tolerated by others.

To Quote a certain Ugandan Dicator: There exists freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.