Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Galloism]

Do you know what the full name of the KKK is without looking it up?

Yes...

Then you know why it's more fun.

[San Lumen]

So just repeal the civil rights act, all anti discrimination laws and the fair housing act? Should a hotel or gas station be able to say we dont serve non whites or lgbt people?

Sure, if they can ostracize a huge chunk of the population and survive, go for it. That's just free advertising for my "anyone welcome" gas station across the street.

Everything should not be left to the free market. If we did that their might still be large areas of the country where non whites could not rent or buy a house or entire town not serving them.

[Sirocca]

There's a lot of other things besides that those that "not things one chooses".

Such as IQ, blindness, hair color, eye color, height, genital size, foot length, for starters.

And the list could go on and on...

My point is that banning discrimination of one sort just leads to discrimination of other sorts. Besides, all discrimination is not bad, and if a business owner wants to do the bad kind, let peer pressure and market forces decide their fate.

Even in the last case of letting peer pressure and market forces, the mob mentality of the society is still a remaining question.

[Telconi]

Yes...

Then you know why it's more fun.

Uh, sure...

[Estanglia]

So your entire argument was an appeal to authority.

No it isnt. I dont see where a business has a legal right to freedom of association. No one has yet proven this exists for a private business

You've just made an appeal to authority right there.

I have a question: what's the point of asking us if there should be a right if you're gonna use it not being a right right now as an argument against it?

[Galloism]

Then you know why it's more fun.

Uh, sure...

By his own criteria, he can't discriminate against the Klan.

[Llalta]

I think that to ban it is pointless, and would get you nowhere as people are allowed their own opinion etc. If you really want to combat discrimination in companies, it is a lot more effective to educate rather than ban.

[San Lumen]

No it isnt. I dont see where a business has a legal right to freedom of association. No one has yet proven this exists for a private business

You've just made an appeal to authority right there.

I have a question: what's the point of asking us if there should be a right if you're gonna use it not being a right right now as an argument against it?

I dont understand

[Bear Stearns]

Uh, sure...

By his own criteria, he can't discriminate against the Klan.

As a member of a secret society and a future cult leader, the Klan aesthetic is actually really cool.

Too bad they've already taken it.

[Telconi]

You've just made an appeal to authority right there.

I have a question: what's the point of asking us if there should be a right if you're gonna use it not being a right right now as an argument against it?

I dont understand

Referencing the current presence of a particular right in U.S. law is an appeal to authority. Current law has no bearing on rather a particular right does exist. Or should be recognized used to exist.

[Estanglia]

You've just made an appeal to authority right there.

I have a question: what's the point of asking us if there should be a right if you're gonna use it not being a right right now as an argument against it?

I dont understand

In this thread, we're talking about whether there should be a right to discriminate, not whether there is one, so you bringing up it's current legal status is irrelevant and/or an appeal to authority.

[Auze]

A right doesn't need to be in the constitution to be a right.




If your business isn't funded by the government or isn't an essential service, then yes. You should be able to choose who you do and don't serve or hire.

There needs to be a basis in law. Why has no court ruled this right exists?

Ahem.

Edit: Nvm, you got it first.

Where in the Constitution is this freedom of association and why has no court recognized it?

Under the 1st Amendment legally.
The Court has recognized the freedom of association.
N.A.A.C.P. v. Alabama(1958)
Boy Scouts of America v. Dale(2000)

[San Lumen]

I dont understand

In this thread, we're talking about whether there should be a right to discriminate, not whether there is one, so you bringing up it's current legal status is irrelevant and/or an appeal to authority.

No there should not be a right to discriminate. Everyone should be treated equally when they enter a business regardless of their race, religion, sexual orientation or ethnic background.

No one should have to wonder about the service they will get because of what they look like.

[Dagnia]

Of course, we have a right to associate with whomever we want. Aside from the usual arguments about "what if the sides were reversed and the Westboro Baptist Church wanted an anti-gay cake from a gay bakery, there's also the issue of freedom of association. In just choosing who we associate with either in business, friendships, relationships, or whatever, we're discriminating.

[Telconi]

In this thread, we're talking about whether there should be a right to discriminate, not whether there is one, so you bringing up it's current legal status is irrelevant and/or an appeal to authority.

No there should not be a right to discriminate. Everyone should be treated equally when they enter a business regardless of their race, religion, sexual orientation or ethnic background.

No one should have to wonder about the service they will get because of what they look like.

Yes you've expressed your opinion before.

[Estanglia]

In this thread, we're talking about whether there should be a right to discriminate, not whether there is one, so you bringing up it's current legal status is irrelevant and/or an appeal to authority.

No there should not be a right to discriminate. Everyone should be treated equally when they enter a business regardless of their race, religion, sexual orientation or ethnic background.

No one should have to wonder about the service they will get because of what they look like.

Except you're perfectly OK with discrimination against Neo-Nazis.

And what about discrimination against people for their hair colour? political beliefs? etc.

[Galloism]

In this thread, we're talking about whether there should be a right to discriminate, not whether there is one, so you bringing up it's current legal status is irrelevant and/or an appeal to authority.

No there should not be a right to discriminate. Everyone should be treated equally when they enter a business regardless of their race, religion, sexual orientation or ethnic background.

No one should have to wonder about the service they will get because of what they look like.

Why does this apply to race and not blindness?

[Ulenya Yootger]

Everything should not be left to the free market. If we did that their might still be large areas of the country where non whites could not rent or buy a house or entire town not serving them.

I don't think it would be wise to live or work in an area where no one wanted to do business with you. Surely you aren't suggesting that the government should proactively break up such would-be exclusive communities?

[Telconi]

No there should not be a right to discriminate. Everyone should be treated equally when they enter a business regardless of their race, religion, sexual orientation or ethnic background.

No one should have to wonder about the service they will get because of what they look like.

Why does this apply to race and not blindness?

San Lumen isn't blind.

[San Lumen]

No there should not be a right to discriminate. Everyone should be treated equally when they enter a business regardless of their race, religion, sexual orientation or ethnic background.

No one should have to wonder about the service they will get because of what they look like.

Why does this apply to race and not blindness?

disability should be included too

[Galloism]

Why does this apply to race and not blindness?

disability should be included too

Are you sure?

[San Lumen]

Everything should not be left to the free market. If we did that their might still be large areas of the country where non whites could not rent or buy a house or entire town not serving them.

I don't think it would be wise to live or work in an area where no one wanted to do business with you. Surely you aren't suggesting that the government should proactively break up such would-be exclusive communities?

Those exclusive communities cannot refuse to sell to someone because of race, religion, ethnicity or disability

[Telconi]

I don't think it would be wise to live or work in an area where no one wanted to do business with you. Surely you aren't suggesting that the government should proactively break up such would-be exclusive communities?

Those exclusive communities cannot refuse to sell to someone because of race, religion, ethnicity or disability

And this is relevant how?

[San Lumen]

disability should be included too

Are you sure?

I dont think someone should be told they wont be served because they are blind or for any other disability

[San Lumen]

Those exclusive communities cannot refuse to sell to someone because of race, religion, ethnicity or disability

And this is relevant how?

How is it not? Why should a community be able to say we wont sell to you because your black?