Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[San Lumen]

Im Jewish therefore im not going to sell to someone who sympathizes with a man who killed six million of my people

Your being hypocritical. You are refusing service to a nazi but want others to give mandatory service to a gay man. Apparently some are more equal to others?

How is that being hypocritical. I think I would be well within my rights. No one said anyone is more equal than others.

[Vaxian Imperium]

Your being hypocritical. You are refusing service to a nazi but want others to give mandatory service to a gay man. Apparently some are more equal to others?

How is that being hypocritical. I think I would be well within my rights. No one said anyone is more equal than others.

So a man would be well within his rights to deny service to a gay man.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Your being hypocritical. You are refusing service to a nazi but want others to give mandatory service to a gay man. Apparently some are more equal to others?

How is that being hypocritical...

How the hell is it not?

The fact that you can't see that it is, really speaks for itself.

[Telconi]

Your being hypocritical. You are refusing service to a nazi but want others to give mandatory service to a gay man. Apparently some are more equal to others?

How is that being hypocritical. I think I would be well within my rights. No one said anyone is more equal than others.

What right would that be? Because you were quite recently harping on the lack of an enumerated right to freedom of association.

[San Lumen]

How is that being hypocritical. I think I would be well within my rights. No one said anyone is more equal than others.

So a man would be well within his rights to deny service to a gay man.

Im not a legal expert but Nazi garb and being gay are different things.

I believe i could refuse to sell to a Nazi and sell to gay man and a court would be unlikely to say otherwise.

[Bear Stearns]

That is what we in the business world call a "personal problem".

What?

Do we have to spell it out for you?

If someone doesn't want to associate with you because of some reason (whether it is a good reason or bad), then that is not society's problem and we shouldn't be bothered to give a shit about your personal life or the personal life of the business owner.

[Galloism]

Let's work on your logic San Lumen. Think logically. Critically. Refine your arguments.

There's a lot of other things besides that those that "not things one chooses".

Such as IQ, blindness, hair color, eye color, height, genital size, foot length, for starters.

So why those things in particular, but not these things?

[Estanglia]

Your being hypocritical. You are refusing service to a nazi but want others to give mandatory service to a gay man. Apparently some are more equal to others?

How is that being hypocritical. I think I would be well within my rights. No one said anyone is more equal than others.

It's being hypocritical because you've talked about how everyone is equal and yet you're willing to refuse service to a particular type of people.

[Estanglia]

So a man would be well within his rights to deny service to a gay man.

Im not a legal expert but Nazi garb and being gay are different things.

I believe i could refuse to sell to a Nazi and sell to gay man and a court would be unlikely to say otherwise.

And I could refuse to sell to blond people.

[Bear Stearns]

So a man would be well within his rights to deny service to a gay man.

Im not a legal expert but Nazi garb and being gay are different things.

I believe i could refuse to sell to a Nazi and sell to gay man and a court would be unlikely to say otherwise.

Is your entire argument an appeal to authority?

Literally all you've said is "the courts said so".

Well what if the courts don't say so? Then what?

[San Lumen]

Im not a legal expert but Nazi garb and being gay are different things.

I believe i could refuse to sell to a Nazi and sell to gay man and a court would be unlikely to say otherwise.

Is your entire argument an appeal to authority?

Literally all you've said is "the courts said so".

Well what if the courts don't say so? Then what?

Well then i guess i have to serve them

[Galloism]

Why?

What if you owned a mattress store and a guy clad in neo-nazi outfits and tattoos walked in and wanted a mattress?

I don't know why you all choose Nazis all the time as your example.

You should choose the KKK.

[Telconi]

What if you owned a mattress store and a guy clad in neo-nazi outfits and tattoos walked in and wanted a mattress?

I don't know why you all choose Nazis all the time as your example.

You should choose the KKK.

Why does it matter?

[San Lumen]

What?

Do we have to spell it out for you?

If someone doesn't want to associate with you because of some reason (whether it is a good reason or bad), then that is not society's problem and we shouldn't be bothered to give a shit about your personal life or the personal life of the business owner.

and why should someone be able to force their beliefs on everyone. Should a hotel be able to turn away anyone whose not white and heterosexual?

[Estanglia]

Is your entire argument an appeal to authority?

Literally all you've said is "the courts said so".

Well what if the courts don't say so? Then what?

Well then i guess i have to serve them

So your entire argument was an appeal to authority.

[Galloism]

I don't know why you all choose Nazis all the time as your example.

You should choose the KKK.

Why does it matter?

The KKK is more fun in comparison to this:

I mean, discrimination along some lines is probably inevitable.

The real question is "what discrimination is allowable and not allowable"?

discrimination based on race, gender, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation should not be allowed.

[Telconi]

Do we have to spell it out for you?

If someone doesn't want to associate with you because of some reason (whether it is a good reason or bad), then that is not society's problem and we shouldn't be bothered to give a shit about your personal life or the personal life of the business owner.

and why should someone be able to force their beliefs on everyone. Should a hotel be able to turn away anyone whose not white and heterosexual?

Why should you be able to force your beliefs on everyone?

[Bear Stearns]

Is your entire argument an appeal to authority?

Literally all you've said is "the courts said so".

Well what if the courts don't say so? Then what?

Well then i guess i have to serve them

At least you're consistent.

But honestly, basing your view on rights entirely on what the latest court decision was is very strange.

[Estanglia]

Do we have to spell it out for you?

If someone doesn't want to associate with you because of some reason (whether it is a good reason or bad), then that is not society's problem and we shouldn't be bothered to give a shit about your personal life or the personal life of the business owner.

and why should someone be able to force their beliefs on everyone. Should a hotel be able to turn away anyone whose not white and heterosexual?

Do you think repeating the same question will magically make us change our answers or something?

[Telconi]

Why does it matter?

The KKK is more fun in comparison to this:

discrimination based on race, gender, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation should not be allowed.

Eh, not really.

[Ulenya Yootger]

So just repeal the civil rights act, all anti discrimination laws and the fair housing act? Should a hotel or gas station be able to say we dont serve non whites or lgbt people?

Sure, if they can ostracize a huge chunk of the population and survive, go for it. That's just free advertising for my "anyone welcome" gas station across the street.

[San Lumen]

Well then i guess i have to serve them

So your entire argument was an appeal to authority.

No it isnt. I dont see where a business has a legal right to freedom of association. No one has yet proven this exists for a private business

[Telconi]

So your entire argument was an appeal to authority.

No it isnt. I dont see where a business has a legal right to freedom of association. No one has yet proven this exists for a private business

No one has yet proved any right to exist...

[Galloism]

The KKK is more fun in comparison to this:

Eh, not really.

Do you know what the full name of the KKK is without looking it up?

[Telconi]

Eh, not really.

Do you know what the full name of the KKK is without looking it up?

Yes...