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As the US is no longer an option, what do you think Hoda Muthana will do now?

Return to ISIS/ISIL reporting “Mission Failed”.
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34%
Seek refuge/asylum in Canada or maybe a European nation.
19
22%
Seek refuge/asylum from a Kurdish or other anti-ISIS group.
5
6%
She’ll disappear off the radar just like that.
14
16%
She will get legal representation and challenge revocation of her passport in court.
18
21%
 
Total votes : 85

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:40 pm

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I didn't say that.


The OP did.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Look dude I think shooting terrorists right off the bat is a little nuts and is too extreme even for me. Give em at the very least a sham trial.

Sham trial are worse than just shooting them. Killing them regardless but humiliating them by having a corrupt trial is bad. Have a real trial or don’t, but respect the only good parts that the system is supposed to stand for.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I didn't say that.


The OP did.

Oh ok. My apologies.
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Postby Trollgaard » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:02 pm

Let her rot where's she's at. She doesn't deserve to come back after joining ISIS.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:23 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Look dude I think shooting terrorists right off the bat is a little nuts and is too extreme even for me. Give em at the very least a sham trial.

Sham trial are worse than just shooting them. Killing them regardless but humiliating them by having a corrupt trial is bad. Have a real trial or don’t, but respect the only good parts that the system is supposed to stand for.

I really don’t care if they are humiliated
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:24 pm

Arrest her and try her for treason. She meets the definition pretty handily.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:27 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Arrest her and try her for treason. She meets the definition pretty handily.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

I agree. In fact I think we should set up a military tribunal for all American isis terrorists. Maybe even include other NATO nations in the tribunal
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Arrest her and try her for treason. She meets the definition pretty handily.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

I agree. In fact I think we should set up a military tribunal for all American isis terrorists. Maybe even include other NATO nations in the tribunal


A Nuremberg trial for ISIS members? Sure, why not.

You'd have to get Assad on board, though, so good luck with that.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:31 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I agree. In fact I think we should set up a military tribunal for all American isis terrorists. Maybe even include other NATO nations in the tribunal


A Nuremberg trial for ISIS members? Sure, why not.

I'd rather something better than the Nuremburg Trials.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:31 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
A Nuremberg trial for ISIS members? Sure, why not.

I'd rather something better than the Nuremburg Trials.

Lemme guess. A "sHaRiA" court?
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Arrest her and try her for treason. She meets the definition pretty handily.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

I agree. In fact I think we should set up a military tribunal for all American isis terrorists. Maybe even include other NATO nations in the tribunal

Sounds good to me, Therm. A bit hesitant on military tribunal, tho.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:33 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'd rather something better than the Nuremburg Trials.

Lemme guess. A "sHaRiA" court?

No, a Shari'ah court. Also, I wasn't really thinking about that (it was in the back of my mind) but, yes, that is better.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:33 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Lemme guess. A "sHaRiA" court?

No, a Shari'ah court. Also, I wasn't really thinking about that (it was in the back of my mind) but, yes, that is better.

Haha no.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:33 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Lemme guess. A "sHaRiA" court?

No, a Shari'ah court. Also, I wasn't really thinking about that (it was in the back of my mind) but, yes, that is better.

You were thinking about it. You literally said it on the first page.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:34 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No, a Shari'ah court. Also, I wasn't really thinking about that (it was in the back of my mind) but, yes, that is better.

You were thinking about it. You literally said it on the first page.

I meant this time, When I quoted Valrifell.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:36 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:You were thinking about it. You literally said it on the first page.

I meant this time, When I quoted Valrifell.

Nah. She should be tried by an American court (military or civilian, Idk) and, if found guilty, executed or locked away for the rest of her life. Full stop. No Muslim shit in there.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I agree. In fact I think we should set up a military tribunal for all American isis terrorists. Maybe even include other NATO nations in the tribunal


A Nuremberg trial for ISIS members? Sure, why not.

You'd have to get Assad on board, though, so good luck with that.

Assad probably won’t mind if we agree to the death penalty.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:12 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Arrest her and try her for treason. She meets the definition pretty handily.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."


If she can be stripped of citizenship I prefer that.
If not we have to let her return, but definitely charge her with treason, giving aid to a terror organization and so on.
Throw the book at her.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:17 pm

Novus America wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Arrest her and try her for treason. She meets the definition pretty handily.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."


If she can be stripped of citizenship I prefer that.
If not we have to let her return, but definitely charge her with treason, giving aid to a terror organization and so on.
Throw the book at her.

You lose your citizenship any way when found guilty of treason.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:23 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'd rather something better than the Nuremburg Trials.

Lemme guess. A "sHaRiA" court?

No, that is better: we gather all the terrorists in a sharia court, then fucking level it with a B-52!
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Postby Novus America » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:26 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Novus America wrote:
If she can be stripped of citizenship I prefer that.
If not we have to let her return, but definitely charge her with treason, giving aid to a terror organization and so on.
Throw the book at her.

You lose your citizenship any way when found guilty of treason.


Not necessarily, at least under US law.
You cannot lose your citizenship unless you voluntarily renounced it.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:28 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Lemme guess. A "sHaRiA" court?

No, that is better: we gather all the terrorists in a sharia court, then fu*king level it with a B-52!

Not how Shari'ah works. At least not conventionally. I mean technically you could do that if all the ISIS soldiers are found guilty of their crimes and their victims' families don't forgive them.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:32 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:No, that is better: we gather all the terrorists in a sharia court, then fu*king level it with a B-52!

Not how Shari'ah works. At least not conventionally. I mean technically you could do that if all the ISIS soldiers are found guilty of their crimes and their victims' families don't forgive them.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:40 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Not how Shari'ah works. At least not conventionally. I mean technically you could do that if all the ISIS soldiers are found guilty of their crimes and their victims' families don't forgive them.

R/woooooosh

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:28 pm

Novus America wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:You lose your citizenship any way when found guilty of treason.


Not necessarily, at least under US law.
You cannot lose your citizenship unless you voluntarily renounced it.

That's false.

https://www.usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship
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