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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:25 am

Hystaria wrote:
Heloin wrote:The character I was describing was you, if you checked to see were the quote came from.

Your options and results are as follows.
1 - You punch them. No matter what the next step you planned for after this you've already been stabbed.
2 - You run. Ricky option since they may chase you but you also may get away or they won't care to chase you.
3 - Hand them your wallet. Unless you are some sort of spy or messenger carrying highly secret information there is no way what is in your wallet is more important then your life.

3 - Hand them your wallet.
And they are hardened criminals, do you think that they would leave me afterwords? To tell the police, and if they stalk me so i wont tell, how is that better?

I more mean to combine 1 and two to get away.

Muggers rarely kill people, it's not what they're after.

You didn't read any of that then. If you punch them, no matter what you planned to do afterwards be it run away or fight, you will get stabbed.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:26 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:More like 50% are so greedy they value their wallet over their life. This isn’t courage, it’s stupidity. It’s brave when you are risking death for something abstractly valuable to you. Getting yourself killed or seriously injured over money you don’t need it pointless.


what if they did so out of a sense of honour?

warrior's pride etc?

Still stupid
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:26 am

Fuck that, that's 3K, finna kick their ass or I'm gonna die anyways... also, me not carrying at least a pocket knife is highly unrealistic.
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Dogmeat
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:27 am

Caracasus wrote:
Hystaria wrote:3 - Hand them your wallet.
And they are hardened criminals, do you think that they would leave me afterwords? To tell the police, and if they stalk me so i wont tell, how is that better?

I more mean to combine 1 and two to get away.


Of course they would leave you. They want money or stuff they can sell and they want to get away. If they get pulled up by the police, they don't want to get done for murder.

It might be advisable to toss your wallet, just to put some distance between you. But generally... yeah.
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Postby Hystaria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:29 am

Yet in OPs post they say they are hardened, and they are already would have my wallet, if they are hardened, why would it mean they would be afraid, for all I know they could just kill me anyway. I dont care about my wallet, but I just dont think that giving three burly men with knifes with tattoos that seem like this is normal, would increase my survival.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:30 am

Caracasus wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That’s not courage, it’s stupidity. I’d wager that 80% of NSG would shit themselves in such a situation. I’m trained in three different combatives and I still wouldn’t go up against three guys with knives


What did your instructors advise regarding situations like this? I am guessing it was 'don't risk your life over your wallet.'

If you can get away, do it.
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Gamzium
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Postby Gamzium » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:30 am

I think that, if I could, I would disarm them and try to have them, if they charge for me, injure the other attackers. If they are smart, I would ask to keep the things like the photos.

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Postby Democratic Republic Of Unified States » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:30 am

I would fight them. This is due to the fact that I have studied karate for 3 years, and have government training. In an ideal situation it would be possible for me to pop their eardrums, though I may not get the chance to do it. I could probably disarm them and it would be some much needed practice.

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Postby Heloin » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:31 am

Hystaria wrote:Yet in OPs post they say they are hardened, and they are already would have my wallet, if they are hardened, why would it mean they would be afraid, for all I know they could just kill me anyway. I dont care about my wallet, but I just dont think that giving three burly men with knifes with tattoos that seem like this is normal, would increase my survival.

You really don't seem to understand the criminal underworld. They're not likely to stab you, they have your money, now they just want you to piss off. If you think they are going to stab you and try and attack them first while unarmed, they will stab you.

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Dogmeat
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:32 am

Hystaria wrote:Yet in OPs post they say they are hardened, and they are already would have my wallet, if they are hardened, why would it mean they would be afraid, for all I know they could just kill me anyway. I dont care about my wallet, but I just dont think that giving three burly men with knifes with tattoos that seem like this is normal, would increase my survival.

Your English is hard to parse, but yeah... it should. They most likely are after some easy money, that's why they're robbing you. There's no reason to think they'd kill you just for lols, it doesn't benefit them to kill you, and if they are then you're probably dead anyway.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:33 am

Democratic republic of unified states wrote:I would fight them. This is due to the fact that I have studied karate for 3 years, and have government training. In an ideal situation it would be possible for me to pop their eardrums, though I may not get the chance to do it. I could probably disarm them and it would be some much needed practice.

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Postby Caracasus » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:33 am

Hystaria wrote:Yet in OPs post they say they are hardened, and they are already would have my wallet, if they are hardened, why would it mean they would be afraid, for all I know they could just kill me anyway. I dont care about my wallet, but I just dont think that giving three burly men with knifes with tattoos that seem like this is normal, would increase my survival.


It really would. They want your stuff and then they want to get as far away as possible very quickly. Stabbing you would slow them down.
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Postby Hystaria » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:35 am

Heloin wrote:
Hystaria wrote:Yet in OPs post they say they are hardened, and they are already would have my wallet, if they are hardened, why would it mean they would be afraid, for all I know they could just kill me anyway. I dont care about my wallet, but I just dont think that giving three burly men with knifes with tattoos that seem like this is normal, would increase my survival.

You really don't seem to understand the criminal underworld. They're not likely to stab you, they have your money, now they just want you to piss off. If you think they are going to stab you and try and attack them first while unarmed, they will stab you.

Just dont doubt about my family and the underworld, I know it. That is why I am afraid of it. I dont care anymore, i just have experencies that say other wise.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:38 am

Hystaria wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Congratulations. You have just been stabbed.

...I think a military trained person, Specifically meant to fight these type of people, with only knives. Could fight back against three, and at worst be harmed, but not dead.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-fight-multiple-assailants/

Am a military trained person. I still wouldn’t go up against three guys with knives without my own gun or backup
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:39 am

Hystaria wrote:
Heloin wrote:The character I was describing was you, if you checked to see were the quote came from.

Your options and results are as follows.
1 - You punch them. No matter what the next step you planned for after this you've already been stabbed.
2 - You run. Ricky option since they may chase you but you also may get away or they won't care to chase you.
3 - Hand them your wallet. Unless you are some sort of spy or messenger carrying highly secret information there is no way what is in your wallet is more important then your life.

3 - Hand them your wallet.
And they are hardened criminals, do you think that they would leave me afterwords? To tell the police, and if they stalk me so i wont tell, how is that better?

I more mean to combine 1 and two to get away.

If they were planning to kill you, why would they stop you and ask for your wallet?
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:43 am

Hystaria wrote:
Heloin wrote:The character I was describing was you, if you checked to see were the quote came from.

Your options and results are as follows.
1 - You punch them. No matter what the next step you planned for after this you've already been stabbed.
2 - You run. Ricky option since they may chase you but you also may get away or they won't care to chase you.
3 - Hand them your wallet. Unless you are some sort of spy or messenger carrying highly secret information there is no way what is in your wallet is more important then your life.

3 - Hand them your wallet.
And they are hardened criminals, do you think that they would leave me afterwords? To tell the police, and if they stalk me so i wont tell, how is that better?

I more mean to combine 1 and two to get away.

You’d need to identify them first. And most muggers use these things called masks, they tend to hide your identity very well
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:22 pm

Hystaria wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
So what tactics are you planning to use to take on three armed men?

Gun and run.


You can't shoot three people faster than one of them can stab you.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:23 pm

Hystaria wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Congratulations. You have just been stabbed.

...I think a military trained person, Specifically meant to fight these type of people, with only knives. Could fight back against three, and at worst be harmed, but not dead.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-fight-multiple-assailants/


Absolutely not true, at all. Rule one of combat: avoid if at all possible. Rule two of combat: if you're outnumbered and on your own, try to avoid even if it seems impossible, because you will not win.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Yeah, I remember a story about a black belt getting robbed. I can’t imagine beating up several people with knives. Years of inconsistently going to martial arts isn’t enough to make up for being that outnumbered and overpowered. Given what I ever carry, I wouldn’t have anything useful enough. Sadly, kill them all doesn’t work in this scenario.

I’m ok at MCMAP, MACP, and Krav Maga.

I still wouldn’t fight them. A knife fight is the bloodiest fight possible. If I don’t have a gun on me, 80% of the time I carry one, i would not engage


Even with a gun, 3 people with knives vs 1 with a gun at close range isn't going to finish up well for anybody involved, including the person with the gun.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:25 pm

Hystaria wrote:
Heloin wrote:The character I was describing was you, if you checked to see were the quote came from.

Your options and results are as follows.
1 - You punch them. No matter what the next step you planned for after this you've already been stabbed.
2 - You run. Ricky option since they may chase you but you also may get away or they won't care to chase you.
3 - Hand them your wallet. Unless you are some sort of spy or messenger carrying highly secret information there is no way what is in your wallet is more important then your life.

3 - Hand them your wallet.
And they are hardened criminals, do you think that they would leave me afterwords? To tell the police, and if they stalk me so i wont tell, how is that better?

I more mean to combine 1 and two to get away.


Because conviction rates for muggings are ludicrously low, and if they are caught, it's not really that bad a sentence, in the grand scheme of things. If they murder you, they're spending most of the rest of their lives in prison.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:26 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That’s not courage, it’s stupidity. I’d wager that 80% of NSG would shit themselves in such a situation. I’m trained in three different combatives and I still wouldn’t go up against three guys with knives


What did your instructors advise regarding situations like this? I am guessing it was 'don't risk your life over your wallet.'


Not Therm, but have done similar training, and it's "throw them your wallet and run like fuck".
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:27 pm

Democratic republic of unified states wrote:I would fight them. This is due to the fact that I have studied karate for 3 years, and have government training. In an ideal situation it would be possible for me to pop their eardrums, though I may not get the chance to do it. I could probably disarm them and it would be some much needed practice.


If you try this, you will die. Zero percent chance of survival.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:27 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:this is a very brave forum

over 50% of posters would fight

I'm impressed by the True Courage

That’s not courage, it’s stupidity. I’d wager that 80% of NSG would shit themselves in such a situation. I’m trained in three different combatives and I still wouldn’t go up against three guys with knives

If I shit myself, I am sure the potential muggers would run from the chemical attack.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:I’m ok at MCMAP, MACP, and Krav Maga.

I still wouldn’t fight them. A knife fight is the bloodiest fight possible. If I don’t have a gun on me, 80% of the time I carry one, i would not engage

The most I carry is a pocket knife and a flashlight. It’s funny when you practice with a weapon that you wouldn’t have. Unless there happens to be a long rod or something like a broom, I wouldn’t have any advantage over them object wise. At least with something other than a knife you would have some distance. The knife also is more psychological factor for me. It would harder for me to get closer if I know I could get stabbed. The scenario would be a lot more appealing if I had anything that would be very useful. The best case scenario is I walk away bloody and beaten, probably still with no wallet.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:50 pm

Call up my cousin's sister in law, the mafia queen from the nightmare farm scenario. Explain that the government has turned me into an assassin for no discernible reason and that she should probably call off her thugs before something unfortunate happens.
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