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Anuyo
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Postby Anuyo » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:18 pm

3000$ is just too much where I live and could change my life a lot, I would honestly prefer to die than simply hand over the change in my life (What I would try is what a lot of people said: RUN, but if I'm cornered I would fight and then cry while I drown in my own blood)

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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:22 pm

Run right past them the instant they try to bring out the knives and yell at me. The longer they take turning around is more distance I can put between me and them.

I’d also be yelling bloody murder with every exhale.
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:31 pm

Option 1, because I'd be eager to test out that training, whether or not that was a "smart idea" (looks up at Therm's post).

That said, it'd be highly unrealistic for me to be carrying that much cash. Usually I don't have cash at all. If I had my usual $0 + array of plastic, I'd hand over the wallet. Plastic can all be canceled. None of those game cards would be in there, and especially not something ultra-rare. Anything "ultra rare" sounds like it's worth decent money, in which case, it'd be at home - carefully packed up and waiting for someone to buy it from the eBay listing I'd have up for it.


Page wrote:By the way if you're carrying around $3000 in cash, you don't just have muggers to worry about, there is also a gang called the police who have a robbery tactic called civil asset forfeiture, and if you defend yourself you'll be locked up.

They probably wouldn't give me any problems even in an area where that's common, because they wouldn't know I had the $3000. Muggers are more opportunistic.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:48 pm

If I would ever have more than $100 in my wallet, maybe I would deserve to be mugged for being such an imbecile.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:49 pm

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Postby Trollgaard » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:57 pm

If I'd been trained by the some secret government organization to kick ass I think it would be easy to take down simple muggers. Of course I'd kick their ass. 3 grand is a lot of cash.

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Postby Auristania » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:59 pm

Modified 2: I have 3k$ + important stuff in my wallet. Pull out 500$ ish and throw it up in the air. While they are distracted either run or kill. With my super soldier powers, I will know which is the better strategy.

If I kill them with their own knives then wipe the knife handle, put it in their hands and arrange the bodies to look like they killed each other.

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Postby Jebslund » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:02 pm

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:12 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Even as a guy who has been trained in MCMAP, MACP, and Krav Maga I still wouldn’t take them all on. Definitely not all at once.

Also you’re average Marine just knows the basics of MCMAP and nothing more. And basic MCMAP is pretty much shit, don’t actually use it for anything.


Point taken.

Still, I feel like if you know Krav Maga these guys shouldn't be a problem. They're just common thugs; I doubt they could hold their own against somebody with martial arts training - especially when said martial arts is the official martial art of the Israeli Defense Forces. Those dudes don't exactly fuck around.

The thing is that there’s more than two people. The other two guys aren’t going to stand there and do nothing they are going to help their buddy out and attack me.

Meaning that I have two guys with knives going at my flanks. No thank you
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Postby Menna Shuli » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:17 pm

Been training in weapons combat for awhile, and here's a simple fact: if someone comes at you with a knife and you are unarmed, you are going to get cut, even if you block. If someone is threatening you with a knife and you have a way of defusing without them coming at you, you take it. If you are in a 3 v 1 situation, all of them with knives, you are going to get got. It would require both a ton of training and about a million times more luck to walk away without some very severe injuries.

None of that is worth the contents of your wallet. The only times you fight is if you have no other options, or if the life of someone else is immediately on the line if you do not.

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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:48 pm

Aclion wrote:Yeah, where is my CCW. Also why tf am I carrying 3K around?

My grandfather used to carry 7k-9k around whenever there was a snowstorm (he delivered oil for furnaces and was paid in cash).
He only got mugged three times, and was never armed beyond his tanker truck (including the very high pressure hose). He gave the money and just asked if he could keep his ID and wallet. Seems good enough a solution for me, especially considering how in this scenario I KNOW that the muggers are armed and not just possibly armed.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:04 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Even as a guy who has been trained in MCMAP, MACP, and Krav Maga I still wouldn’t take them all on. Definitely not all at once.

Also you’re average Marine just knows the basics of MCMAP and nothing more. And basic MCMAP is pretty much shit, don’t actually use it for anything.


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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:35 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Even as a guy who has been trained in MCMAP, MACP, and Krav Maga I still wouldn’t take them all on. Definitely not all at once.

Also you’re average Marine just knows the basics of MCMAP and nothing more. And basic MCMAP is pretty much shit, don’t actually use it for anything.


Point taken.

Still, I feel like if you know Krav Maga these guys shouldn't be a problem. They're just common thugs; I doubt they could hold their own against somebody with martial arts training - especially when said martial arts is the official martial art of the Israeli Defense Forces. Those dudes don't exactly fuck around.


They don't need to hold their own. They need to get lucky and land a stab, just once between them.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:39 am

Trollgaard wrote:If I'd been trained by the some secret government organization to kick ass I think it would be easy to take down simple muggers. Of course I'd kick their ass. 3 grand is a lot of cash.


I doubt six months of martial arts practice is anywhere near enough for that.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:36 am

Alvecia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Seriously? I've been outnumbered worse than that, and so far striking down one (immediately, no talking, just aiming to hurt one of them the most and most quickly) has been more than enough to make the others run.
There's absolutely no guarantee that such amateurs (three with knives, all three of them closing in?) will want to leave their victim alive and able to identify them. So it's better to scare the hell out of them.

Alternatively, you could absolutely book it to the nearest safe area.

The OP says you're already cornered.

If they corner you, handing over your wallet is the least riskiest thing you could do. Try and scare them, you run the risk of them lashing out.

They already have their weapons out. Leaving them with the idea that you're at their mercy makes you a good candidate for being on receiving end of a stabbing.

If they still come at you, then you're going to have to fight regardless, so the question is moot.

Re-read the op: they've ALREADY come at you with weapons blazing.

As an aside, it wouldn't surprise me if later on IM claimed these three muggers were actually ninja pirate commando assassins.

Well that would be totally in the style.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:53 am

Risottia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Alternatively, you could absolutely book it to the nearest safe area.

The OP says you're already cornered.

If they corner you, handing over your wallet is the least riskiest thing you could do. Try and scare them, you run the risk of them lashing out.

They already have their weapons out. Leaving them with the idea that you're at their mercy makes you a good candidate for being on receiving end of a stabbing.

If they still come at you, then you're going to have to fight regardless, so the question is moot.

Re-read the op: they've ALREADY come at you with weapons blazing.

As an aside, it wouldn't surprise me if later on IM claimed these three muggers were actually ninja pirate commando assassins.

Well that would be totally in the style.
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I'll be honest, I mostly just skip all of the preamble and get right to the available options with IM's threads.

That said, I think there's a clear distinction between intent to steal and intent to harm in this situation. If you can get away with not having to fight, why wouldn't you? Follow the path of least risk.

That handing over your wallet is even an option suggests that doing so is a valid path that won't necessarily lead to having to choose the first option anyway.
Then again, as I write that I recall all the other times that IM has narrowed the hypothetical to allow only one valid answer.

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Postby Andsed » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:08 am

I’m handing over my shit. This is not an action movie where you can take down multiple armed people. In real life if your in a 3 v 1 situation and your not armed and they are unless you one the greatest fighters in the world your not going to win. So I am going to hand over my stuff and escape with my life.
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