Hate Crime Legislation

[The New California Republic]

This isn't as petty or benign as disliking a certain flavor of soda or some shit. In this case the dislike is of someone saying that you deserve to die. Big difference.

Okay??? I still don't care! Freedom > safety. Simple as.

What complete shit. People have a right to carry firearms, but that doesn't include openly carrying them onto aircraft. You can't seem to understand that there are limits to rights when there is a danger to the lives of others.

And lay off with the "I don't care!!!!!11111" stuff, it doesn't make your arguments any more valid by constantly screaming that.

[Eglaecia]

I don't like a lot of things. Doesn't mean I want to criminalise them.

According to you Dylann Roof should not have been charged with multiple hate crime counts when he said at trial bigotry and racism and a desire to start a race war was his motive?

If you don’t know who he is he was the purpotrater of the mass shooting at a historic church in Charleston, SC that killed nine including a state legislator

Yes, I think that Dylan Roof, a mass murdering terrorist, is innocent of everything because I don't think words should be illegal. You're just grasping at straws now.
Dylan Roof should be put to death for being a psychopathic terrorist. Committing a crime with the intent of inspiring other crimes, like he did, should also be punishable. Going up to someone and saying that they deserve to die, but not actually harming them, shouldn't be a crime.

[Eglaecia]

Okay??? I still don't care! Freedom > safety. Simple as.

What complete shit. People have a right to carry firearms, but that doesn't include openly carrying them onto aircraft. You can't seem to understand that there are limits to rights when there is a danger to the lives of others.

And lay off with the "I don't care!!!!!11111" stuff, it doesn't make your arguments any more valid by constantly screaming that.

The entities that own the planes, private or public have the right to restrict people from bringing them on board.
And I won't lay off with it because it's true, I don't care if someone's feelings are hurt. You're not going to drop dead just because someone says you deserve to die.

[Ifreann]

According to you Dylann Roof should not have been charged with multiple hate crime counts when he said at trial bigotry and racism and a desire to start a race war was his motive?

If you don’t know who he is he was the purpotrater of the mass shooting at a historic church in Charleston, SC that killed nine including a state legislator

Yes, I think that Dylan Roof, a mass murdering terrorist, is innocent of everything because I don't think words should be illegal. You're just grasping at straws now.
Dylan Roof should be put to death for being a psychopathic terrorist. Committing a crime with the intent of inspiring other crimes, like he did, should also be punishable. Going up to someone and saying that they deserve to die, but not actually harming them, shouldn't be a crime.

Going up to someone and pulling a gun on them shouldn't be a crime unless you actually pull the trigger. Yeah?

[San Lumen]

According to you Dylann Roof should not have been charged with multiple hate crime counts when he said at trial bigotry and racism and a desire to start a race war was his motive?

If you don’t know who he is he was the purpotrater of the mass shooting at a historic church in Charleston, SC that killed nine including a state legislator

Yes, I think that Dylan Roof, a mass murdering terrorist, is innocent of everything because I don't think words should be illegal. You're just grasping at straws now.
Dylan Roof should be put to death for being a psychopathic terrorist. Committing a crime with the intent of inspiring other crimes, like he did, should also be punishable. Going up to someone and saying that they deserve to die, but not actually harming them, shouldn't be a crime.

Ok and your not going to be charged with a crime simply for being a bigot. Threatening someone though is different

How am I gasping at straws? Why shouldn’t Roof have been convicted of multiple hate crime counts when bigotry and white supremacy was his motive? I don’t get your logic here

[Free Arabian Nation]

Hate speech is the only "hate crime" I think should be legal. Other than that I don't really care. The circumstances around a crime will always contribute to the punishment.

So a stranger calling me a "faggot that deserves to be put to death" in the street should be legal? Fucking nonsense.

That would just criminalize the entire internet!

[The New California Republic]

What complete shit. People have a right to carry firearms, but that doesn't include openly carrying them onto aircraft. You can't seem to understand that there are limits to rights when there is a danger to the lives of others.

And lay off with the "I don't care!!!!!11111" stuff, it doesn't make your arguments any more valid by constantly screaming that.

And I won't lay off with it because it's true, I don't care if someone's feelings are hurt. You're not going to drop dead just because someone says you deserve to die.

Where did I say that I would?

And someone making threats against my life does cause harm.

[Andsed]

According to you Dylann Roof should not have been charged with multiple hate crime counts when he said at trial bigotry and racism and a desire to start a race war was his motive?

If you don’t know who he is he was the purpotrater of the mass shooting at a historic church in Charleston, SC that killed nine including a state legislator

Yes, I think that Dylan Roof, a mass murdering terrorist, is innocent of everything because I don't think words should be illegal. You're just grasping at straws now.
Dylan Roof should be put to death for being a psychopathic terrorist. Committing a crime with the intent of inspiring other crimes, like he did, should also be punishable. Going up to someone and saying that they deserve to die, but not actually harming them, shouldn't be a crime.

I do kinda agree here. Just screaming racist,homophobic, sexist etc shit and wishing for someone to die is scummy and will likely result in getting punched but it should not be illegal. Someone not in a position of power screaming shit while scummy does not harm you(if the person is an elected official then yeah they should be impeached.) Now if the person commits a crime motivated by their homophobic, racist, sexist etc views then yeah they should be punished more than someone who killed someone because they did not like them.

[Eglaecia]

Yes, I think that Dylan Roof, a mass murdering terrorist, is innocent of everything because I don't think words should be illegal. You're just grasping at straws now.
Dylan Roof should be put to death for being a psychopathic terrorist. Committing a crime with the intent of inspiring other crimes, like he did, should also be punishable. Going up to someone and saying that they deserve to die, but not actually harming them, shouldn't be a crime.

Ok and your not going to be charged with a crime simply for being a bigot.

How am I gasping at straws? Why shouldn’t Roof have been convicted of multiple hate crime counts when bigotry and white supremacy was his motive? I don’t get your logic here

Perfect! Glad we agree on that.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge. Why should a hate crime constitute a separate charge?

Yes, I think that Dylan Roof, a mass murdering terrorist, is innocent of everything because I don't think words should be illegal. You're just grasping at straws now.
Dylan Roof should be put to death for being a psychopathic terrorist. Committing a crime with the intent of inspiring other crimes, like he did, should also be punishable. Going up to someone and saying that they deserve to die, but not actually harming them, shouldn't be a crime.

Going up to someone and pulling a gun on them shouldn't be a crime unless you actually pull the trigger. Yeah?

False equivalence. If they stated that the person deserved to die before or after they pulled the gun on them, then that's proof of intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. If they just pull the gun on them and it's in a threatening manner EVEN IF they don't shoot, then they should also be charged with intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. However, just taking the gun out and brandishing it shouldn't be a crime.

[Ifreann]

So a stranger calling me a "faggot that deserves to be put to death" in the street should be legal? Fucking nonsense.

That would just criminalize the entire internet!

Sounds great.

[San Lumen]

Ok and your not going to be charged with a crime simply for being a bigot.

How am I gasping at straws? Why shouldn’t Roof have been convicted of multiple hate crime counts when bigotry and white supremacy was his motive? I don’t get your logic here

Perfect! Glad we agree on that.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge. Why should a hate crime constitute a separate charge?

Going up to someone and pulling a gun on them shouldn't be a crime unless you actually pull the trigger. Yeah?

False equivalence. If they stated that the person deserved to die before or after they pulled the gun on them, then that's proof of intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. If they just pull the gun on them and it's in a threatening manner EVEN IF they don't shoot, then they should also be charged with intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. However, just taking the gun out and brandishing it shouldn't be a crime.

Why shouldn’t motive be a separate crime?

[Eglaecia]

And I won't lay off with it because it's true, I don't care if someone's feelings are hurt. You're not going to drop dead just because someone says you deserve to die.

Where did I say that I would?

And someone making threats against my life does cause harm.

If the words aren't going to physically harm you then they shouldn't be illegal.
Mental or emotional harm maybe, but that shouldn't be criminal. You should just stop being easily offended.

[Andsed]

Ok and your not going to be charged with a crime simply for being a bigot.

How am I gasping at straws? Why shouldn’t Roof have been convicted of multiple hate crime counts when bigotry and white supremacy was his motive? I don’t get your logic here

Perfect! Glad we agree on that.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge. Why should a hate crime constitute a separate charge?

Going up to someone and pulling a gun on them shouldn't be a crime unless you actually pull the trigger. Yeah?

False equivalence. If they stated that the person deserved to die before or after they pulled the gun on them, then that's proof of intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. If they just pull the gun on them and it's in a threatening manner EVEN IF they don't shoot, then they should also be charged with intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. However, just taking the gun out and brandishing it shouldn't be a crime.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge.

So there should not be a difference between first degree murder and voluntary manslaughter?

[San Lumen]

Where did I say that I would?

And someone making threats against my life does cause harm.

If the words aren't going to physically harm you then they shouldn't be illegal.
Mental or emotional harm maybe, but that shouldn't be criminal. You should just stop being easily offended.

The synonogue massacre in Pittsburgh was a hate crime too. The purpotrater’s motive was anti Semitism and belief in white genocide conspiracy theory. Why shouldn’t he be charged with a hate crime? That event hit close to home for me as it was an attack on my people

[Ifreann]

Ok and your not going to be charged with a crime simply for being a bigot.

How am I gasping at straws? Why shouldn’t Roof have been convicted of multiple hate crime counts when bigotry and white supremacy was his motive? I don’t get your logic here

Perfect! Glad we agree on that.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge. Why should a hate crime constitute a separate charge?

Going up to someone and pulling a gun on them shouldn't be a crime unless you actually pull the trigger. Yeah?

False equivalence. If they stated that the person deserved to die before or after they pulled the gun on them, then that's proof of intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. If they just pull the gun on them and it's in a threatening manner EVEN IF they don't shoot, then they should also be charged with intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon.

So it's thought crime you support, eh? What happened to rights > safety? If I wanna bear arms in someone's face, that's my right. As long as I don't actually hit them, why should it be a crime?

However, just taking the gun out and brandishing it shouldn't be a crime.

If I can tell people that they should die with my words then I should be allowed to tell people that they should die with my gun. How does it hurt them to be threatened?

[Eglaecia]

Perfect! Glad we agree on that.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge. Why should a hate crime constitute a separate charge?


False equivalence. If they stated that the person deserved to die before or after they pulled the gun on them, then that's proof of intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. If they just pull the gun on them and it's in a threatening manner EVEN IF they don't shoot, then they should also be charged with intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. However, just taking the gun out and brandishing it shouldn't be a crime.

Why shouldn’t motive be a separate crime?

Well I can't possibly think of a single reason as to why motive should be a separate crime, therefore it shouldn't be. Now answer my question: why should motive be a separate crime?

[The New California Republic]

Where did I say that I would?

And someone making threats against my life does cause harm.

If the words aren't going to physically harm you then they shouldn't be illegal.
Mental or emotional harm maybe, but that shouldn't be criminal. You should just stop being easily offended.

Again, I am "easily offended" by a stranger shouting at me "you are a faggot and deserve to die" in the street? Fucking hell. Sorry that I'm not some kind of Übermensch that can dismiss death threats without batting an eye.

And mental and emotional harm shouldn't be criminal? So domestic abuse that is mental and emotional should be legal? Be careful what kind of Pandora's Box you are opening here, be really careful.

[Ifreann]

Where did I say that I would?

And someone making threats against my life does cause harm.

If the words aren't going to physically harm you then they shouldn't be illegal.
Mental or emotional harm maybe, but that shouldn't be criminal. You should just stop being easily offended.

Bullets only physically harm you if they hit you, so shooting at someone should be legal until and unless you actually hit them.

[San Lumen]

Why shouldn’t motive be a separate crime?

Well I can't possibly think of a single reason as to why motive should be a separate crime, therefore it shouldn't be. Now answer my question: why should motive be a separate crime?

Because why someone did something should be a factor such as the synagogue shooter in Pittsburgh. It was motivated by anti Semitic views and belief in white genocide conspiracy theory

[Eglaecia]

Perfect! Glad we agree on that.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge. Why should a hate crime constitute a separate charge?


False equivalence. If they stated that the person deserved to die before or after they pulled the gun on them, then that's proof of intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. If they just pull the gun on them and it's in a threatening manner EVEN IF they don't shoot, then they should also be charged with intent to commit murder/assault with a deadly weapon. However, just taking the gun out and brandishing it shouldn't be a crime.

Motive for crimes shouldn't be a separate charge.

So there should not be a difference between first degree murder and voluntary manslaughter?

This makes no sense. The difference between murder and manslaughter isn't motive?????

[Lanoraie II]

If the words aren't going to physically harm you then they shouldn't be illegal.
Mental or emotional harm maybe, but that shouldn't be criminal. You should just stop being easily offended.

Again, I am "easily offended" by a stranger shouting at me "you are a faggot and deserve to die" in the street? Fucking hell. Sorry that I'm not some kind of Übermensch that can dismiss death threats without batting an eye.

And mental and emotional harm shouldn't be criminal? So domestic abuse that is mental and emotional should be legal? Be careful what kind of Pandora's Box you are opening here, be really careful.

One brief, negative interaction with a stranger cannot constitute abuse. It may be an abusive interaction, but you can't jail someone for telling you to eat dog smegma after you accidentally step on their shoes. It's also rather insulting to actual victims of abuse to insist that an offensive exchange of words with strangers should qualify as abuse. That's just ridiculous. Harassment, maybe. And under current legislation in the US, mental and emotional abuse are legal, mainly because it's so hard to legally define what those things are, even if you can describe them very easily in words.

[Eglaecia]

Well I can't possibly think of a single reason as to why motive should be a separate crime, therefore it shouldn't be. Now answer my question: why should motive be a separate crime?

Because why someone did something should be a factor such as the synagogue shooter in Pittsburgh

That doesn't answer the question. At all. Why should it be a factor?

If the words aren't going to physically harm you then they shouldn't be illegal.
Mental or emotional harm maybe, but that shouldn't be criminal. You should just stop being easily offended.

Bullets only physically harm you if they hit you, so shooting at someone should be legal until and unless you actually hit them.

firing at someone is still assault even if you miss them.

[Ifreann]

Because why someone did something should be a factor such as the synagogue shooter in Pittsburgh

That doesn't answer the question. At all. Why should it be a factor?

Bullets only physically harm you if they hit you, so shooting at someone should be legal until and unless you actually hit them.

firing at someone is still assault even if you miss them.

Laws you obviously strongly oppose, because if you aren't physically harming someone it shouldn't be a crime. Right?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm going to create controversy here and say, yes, it should be legal.

So a literal call to violence is a-okay?

Doesn’t really create controversy as much as it shows that you don’t understand the existential threat faced by minorities.

Idiotic speech doesn't threaten existance, unless it is backed by actual violence. Also, people get arrested in Britain over jokes. Count Dankula is a perfect example. Surely the government can find better use of resourses.

[San Lumen]

Because why someone did something should be a factor such as the synagogue shooter in Pittsburgh

That doesn't answer the question. At all. Why should it be a factor?

Bullets only physically harm you if they hit you, so shooting at someone should be legal until and unless you actually hit them.

firing at someone is still assault even if you miss them.

Because like roof hate and bigotry was a factor. The synagogue massiwas motivated by anti Semitism and belief in white genocide conspiracy theory. Why shouldn’t that be a factor in the charges?