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Why hasnt North Korea's military descended into chaos?

Postby Iwassoclose » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:25 pm

-High number of soldiers
-Low morale
-Low on supplies and food
-Not much to look forward to
-Impoverished and unhealthy

Why hasn't parts of the military just split apart and tried to create their own fiefdoms? Like los zetas, an entire group of special military force just up and left. Or many of the South American or African countires where the military division are sometimes taken over by a charismatic leader to do their own thing.
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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:26 pm

Because compared to everyone else, the military is incredibly privileged.

The Kim dynasty remains in power by paying off the military before everyone else.
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Postby Unithonia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:27 pm

The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:Because compared to everyone else, the military is incredibly privileged.

The Kim dynasty remains in power by paying off the military before everyone else.

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Postby Iwassoclose » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:29 pm

The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:Because compared to everyone else, the military is incredibly privileged.

The Kim dynasty remains in power by paying off the military before everyone else.


I was just reading an article earlier today that soldiers are breaking into civilian houses to steal food. That lead to the question I had in the OP. Clearly the grunts at the bottom arent doing any good.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:31 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:-High number of soldiers
-Low morale
-Low on supplies and food
-Not much to look forward to
-Impoverished and unhealthy

Why hasn't parts of the military just split apart and tried to create their own fiefdoms? Like los zetas, an entire group of special military force just up and left. Or many of the South American or African countires where the military division are sometimes taken over by a charismatic leader to do their own thing.

Two reasons:

1) The North Korean government gives the military massive benefits compared to the rest of the population, if the government collapsed into a military junta, it would mean that there's less certainty.
2) I suspect many of the North Korean rank and file, and even a number of officers are true believers.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:32 pm

Propaganda and fear, the indoctrination from an early age that North Korea is the best country in the world and Kim the greatest leader coupled with the fact that everyone is a microphone able to pick up the smallest dissent means it would be very hard to initiate any form of rebellion.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:34 pm

Bombadil wrote:Propaganda and fear, the indoctrination from an early age that North Korea is the best country in the world and Kim the greatest leader coupled with the fact that everyone is a microphone able to pick up the smallest dissent means it would be very hard to initiate any form of rebellion.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:51 pm

Someone needs to play more Tropico
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:01 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Someone needs to play more Tropico
You have a large military that’s paid well compared to the rest of the country, have relatively comfortable conditions, and a way to keep you’re family relatively safe, and a dictator can sit on the top of the world

I have noticed that the more recent versions of Tropico have nerfed that playstyle, as the increased strength of uprisings can overwhelm even very strong military forces, or result in a "Pyrrhic victory", because your workforce has been decimated by the monstrous death toll that the military dished out on the populace.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:02 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Someone needs to play more Tropico
You have a large military that’s paid well compared to the rest of the country, have relatively comfortable conditions, and a way to keep you’re family relatively safe, and a dictator can sit on the top of the world

I have noticed that the more recent versions of Tropico have nerfed that playstyle, as the increased strength of uprisings can overwhelm even very strong military forces, or result in a "Pyrrhic victory", because your workforce has been decimated by the monstrous death toll that the military dished out on the populace.

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Postby Islamic Republic e Jariri » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:22 pm

Bombadil wrote:Propaganda and fear, the indoctrination from an early age that North Korea is the best country in the world and Kim the greatest leader coupled with the fact that everyone is a microphone able to pick up the smallest dissent means it would be very hard to initiate any form of rebellion.

The greatest trick of totalitarianism is not that you're afraid of the government, you're afraid of your neighbour, your child, just everyone around you.


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Postby Tokora » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:56 pm

Because history tends to find the worst possible outcome and goes with that. How do you think Trump got elected, who in all likelihood will probably prop up North Korea himself as a fellow neo-fascist.

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Postby United States of Natan » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:58 pm

All their resources go to the military. While their people are starving, their soldiers are not as hungry.
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Postby Far Easter Republic » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:59 pm

There the ones with food and guns.
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Postby Sicaris » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:03 pm

Tokora wrote:Because history tends to find the worst possible outcome and goes with that. How do you think Trump got elected, who in all likelihood will probably prop up North Korea himself as a fellow neo-fascist.



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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:06 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:-High number of soldiers
-Low morale
-Low on supplies and food
-Not much to look forward to
-Impoverished and unhealthy

Why hasn't parts of the military just split apart and tried to create their own fiefdoms? Like los zetas, an entire group of special military force just up and left. Or many of the South American or African countires where the military division are sometimes taken over by a charismatic leader to do their own thing.

1. Kim regime gives the military a shitton of privileges, which is why many people join in the first place

2. I suspect only the highest of ranks know what’s going on in the world, the rest are taught that they are much better off than those gosh darn Westerners, and they are fighting for the good guys and saving the world
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:21 pm

There are murmurings, but half the army is on methamphetamines anyway.
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Postby Sicaris » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:22 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:There are murmurings, but half the army is on methamphetamines anyway.


What are you talking about? Did the South Koreans tell you that? Does the Best Korean Party need to tie you to a pole and have you executed too?
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